Open 164 - Bird 7P (Over) before 836

[brothernature]

/confirm

[brothernature]

Vote: hiphop

I prefer country.

[brothernature]

Confirm Vote: hiphop

for capitalizing the first letter of my name when it's not supposed to be.

[brothernature]

Unvote; Vote: zwetschenwasser

for having a really long name....

[brothernature]

I don't like your location.

[brothernature]

It's called the Random Voting Stage for a reason hiphop....

[brothernature]

So when I vote for a person who already has a vote on him, it's suspicious, yet when zwetschenwasser does it, it's not? Please explain your logic.

[brothernature]

Amen. These two can't seem to comprehend what a RVS is. They do seem to be displaying the usual paranoia that marks a townie, even if it is a bit early. As hohum said, I smell newbie townies...

[brothernature]

OMG. If my brother forgets to log off his acc one more time, I'm gunna kill him. Sorry. Accidently posted on my bro's acc. He's supposed to log off when he's done....But he didn't, obviously.

[brothernature]

hiphop: First, zwet made the second vote on Xehdat. Far_Cry made the first, then unvoted, and put his vote BACK on Xehdat. Second, your jumping to conclusions.

OneGunman: So are you telling me I'm not allowed to change my vote? At all? Okay then. Next time you change your vote, I'm gunna take it as a scumtell.

Both: Neither of those are scumtells. Just drop 'em.


From here.

At the beginning of a game of Mafia, there is very little information to be had. As a result, initial votes are made with no substantial reasoning offered.

I don't understand how you can think someone is scum within the first two pages. Honestly.

You two are either thick-headed or newbies. I prefer to believe in humanity's intelligence and go with the latter.

[brothernature]

OneGunman. There's this thing called the newbie queue. Try it sometime.

[brothernature]

I agree with you Far_Cry. hiphop and Gun, you two are really overdoing it. Tone it down a bit, because at the moment, it really does look like your scum trying to act town.

OneGunman, I

also

don't get what your making a big deal about it. It's two votes. Okay, so with 7 people, it puts that person at L-2, but then again, 1 vote puts a person at L-3. It's not suspicious, so drop it and focus on finding some real evidence.

[brothernature]

Fine. I'm watching you.

I don't know why though when your the one acting scummy, not me.

OSH KOSH BGOSH SHUT UP WITH THE STUPIDITY PEOPLE! Unvote; Vote: Brothernature

Umn, what? RVS is over buddy. And I'd like your opinion on OGM at the moment and why you think we're being stupid....

[brothernature]

Far_Cry, I'm starting to like you.

Zwet, unless your going to do anything besides babble mindless crap, then shut up. Please. And for the second effing time, don't effing capitalize the first gawd-dang letter of my name.

OGM, your acting very scummy. Overdoing the town act, accusing people of making wagons during the RVS, and just sending off scummy vibes to me.

Vote: OneGunman

. How much you wanna bet he's going to say that I'm making a wagon? Also, a word of advice to you, OGM, start in the Newbie Queue instead of jumping into a different Queue for your first game.

[brothernature]

Hohum: Why what?

[brothernature]

And what did I just rant at Zwet about? Rawr. I don't like it when people capitalize the first letter of my name because I meant it to be uncapitalized.

[brothernature]

Kay hOhUM. FoS one of the only two people scum hunting at the moment.

Moving on, what are your thoughts on OneGunman and hiphop? Care to say anything?

[brothernature]

Hohum, do whatever pleases you. I don't really care.

I realize that far-cry unvoted and then revoted the same person. To it was like the first time the reason was random and he had to unvote and revote for a non-random reason in order to show that he had a "real' reason to vote."

Dude. It was the first page. During the RVS. He was messing around. I don't know why your chasing after little bitty things like this. So like I told OGM, it's not really suspicious, so drop it and focus on finding some real evidence.

[brothernature]

Didn't see your post zwet. Care to expand more?

[brothernature]

Let him respond first.

Why not now?

[brothernature]

Far_Cry, I what I meant is that I like you due to your opinions certain people, as they are nearly similar to mine.

There we have a another problem. You see, I was willing to move on, but PorkchopExpress insist to question my actions. So I have to defend myself. I can’t let it slide, for than I would be agreeing with him and say that I am definitely scummy.

I agree with you there. Defending yourself is only scummy when it's all that your doing. Before, that was really all you were doing.

These two quotes are two peas in a pod. Buddying already? Hmm. You see I am creating activity, that is the first sign to show someone is scumhunting. You two on the other hand seem to want the activity to stop. Strange. Anti-town? Yes. Why don’t you two show some signs of scum hunting and maybe I can see how it is done in your opinion. I like activity otherwise I would be as bored as you, Far_Cry, were in the RVS. I certainly am not going to be like you two.

Who said I don't want activity? I just don't want you being led astray by things that aren't suspicious. I know that's what I want. Dunno about Far_Cry though. Have to let him answer for himself.

[brothernature]

I don't like Brothernature's constant flamy attitude.

I don't like your infrequent, 1-3 sentence posts. And it's not my fault that I'm naturally aggressive, if that's what you meant by "flamy"

[brothernature]

You are aggressive? How?

According to my several people in my last game, I'm passively aggressive.

And since I'm obviously wrong about the meaning of "flamy" could someone please explain.

[brothernature]

First off,

Mod, can we get a prod for OneGunman. He hasn't posted since the 24, I believe.

A gambit implies planning and foreknowledge.

Maybe to you, but not to me.

Then obviously you don't know what a gambit is. A Gambit is any action made to further a player's agenda. It requires that you plan to further your agenda by saying or doing a certain thing.

All you're doing is sitting here and bitching at people. You're not doing ANY scum hunting. That's what I mean by flamy.

Even if it's simply "bitching" at people, as you call it, at least it's something. And if I recall correctly, I can't seem to remember you doing ANYTHING, let alone doing any scum hunting.

Wait, what? There are people like Hohum and zwetschenwasser who I will never be smarter than, but that doesn't stop me from posting.

So what you are saying is despite the fact that zwet and hohum are smarter than you, that dosen't stop you from posting. But what does how smart someone is relate to whether you should post or not??? I dont understand.

Hiphop, I'd like to hear your reply to this. I don't see how you could think that how smart a person is prevents, or even relates to, another persons posting. Not voting you right now, as that would put you at L-1, but,

FoS: Hiphop

.

[brothernature]

Nitpicking and trying to pass it off as scumhunting
Inflating his own self-importance
Showing unnecessary hesitance to vote hiphop even though he's been allegedly going after him "aggressively".

If there's one thing I agree with hiphop on, it's that activity is good. As long as my nitpicking, or bitching, as hohum prefers to call it, creates activity, I'm happy.

Please show me where I'm "inflating my own self-importance." I don't recall ever doing this.

I said that several people in my last game called my playstyle aggressive in my last game, but then again, in that game, I was scum. I haven't yet had a chance to play as all the roles yet, so I haven't really developed a playstyle for each. So please don't twist my words around on me. Thanks.

Also, thought I should mention this, I'm starting another game now, so my participation in this one might decrease a bit.

[brothernature]

Translation: As long as I look busy, people have no reason to question if I'm actually trying to find scum or not.

There's not much major scumhunting to be down in the early pages of a game, so rather than lurk until like page 8, like hohum, I prefer to do something.

et cetera. From someone who doesn't have very many games on the site, you're certainly acting a bit big for your britches here.

Maybe I'm an alt. Maybe I'm not >.>

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

re: your "aggressiveness"--Don't put it on others, you clearly referred to yourself as aggressive. I even have a quote!

Some players play differently when they are certain roles. I know a few that do from my last game. And you forgot to mention this post:

According to several people in my game, I'm passively aggressive.

Translation: I'm coming under suspicion, so I'm going to lurk and hope people forget about me.

No. It means that I'm going to split the limited time I have on the computer between this game and a different one. So I'm going to be less active, not hohum unactive, but posting much less frequently.

According to my several people in my last game, I'm passively aggressive.

And since I'm obviously wrong about the meaning of "flamy" could someone please explain.

[brothernature]

Edit by post: Ignore that last quote. Had already posted it.

[brothernature]

I ask this question becuase people respond to it differently. Some people respond in different ways depending on their personality, style of playing, whether your town, scum, or something else etc.

Umn. Even scum would say that they were town, otherwise they would be lynched almost instantly if they responded, "Oh, I"m scum." So your not making sense

Quotes contradict each other. What changed?

By the way I prefer for you to be aggressive. You should not change the way you playstyle, because of, what you say are role changes. You should play the same when you are both. Since you say when you were scum you played aggressively and now I say you are not playing aggressive, I believe you are scum changing the way you are playing in order to not draw suspicion. fos: brothernature I don’t want to put you at L-1 yet.

They not contradicting each other. I said that your evidence was crap, and that you should drop it and find some real evidence. Then I said that there wasn't much scumhunting to be done in the early pages, not that you couldn't make a case, just that there isn't much evidence to be found to MAKE that case.

Well, I think I produced a satisfactory case on you in 5 pages, so I don't understand this at all. Also, nice try to deflect attention toward hohum.

Not trying to deflect attention, just using hohum as an example.

Somehow I strongly doubt that. And if you are, that's all the more reason to be killing you right now. What to claim you are?

Believe what ya want. I don't really care.

Well, if you play with different styles then you aren't probably very good at this game because a person only needs to spot your "scum" style and you will lose.

I'm aware that you later said that other people called you aggressive, but you first stated it yourself. So, do you think you're aggressive or not?

Well, your not me, are you? So worry about yourself, not me.

As to if I think I'm aggressive, I don't really know. If I had to answer, I'd say yes.

More deflection toward another player.

Once again, just using hohum as an example.

I must have missed it, sorry. It is the interaction between you two. Even when you're making jabs at one another it feels a little fake. I'll go back later and see if I can get some quotes to back what I'm saying. Currently I'm heading to work, however.

Still waiting....

I will get a post up with some more significant content in a bit.

Welcome to the game baltar

Also still waiting....

you have spent the game asking stupid questions like "ARE YOU SCUM", whilst hiphop's been posting stupid answers to questions. I'm not sure what to make of this.

I'm not sure what to make of you. You post like 1 sentence at a time and jumped on two wagons as they formed.

When everyone else was attacking hiphop, you said

hiphop, I'm starting to find you scummy for putting so much focus on something inherently not scummy.

And that was it. I asked you to expand more, but you never explained your accusation.

And then when VP posted his case on me, you voted for me and just said:

However, your case on brothernature is better than my case. Unvote; Vote: Brothernature

I'd like to see the case you had prepared, or if you even HAD a case prepared and were simply saying that to appear town.

[brothernature]

@brothernature if there is no evidence how can one make a case, let alone convince others their point is right? If one doesn’t create activity, there is even less.

They not contradicting each other. I said that your evidence was crap, and that you should drop it and find some real evidence. Then I said that there wasn't much scumhunting to be done in the early pages, not that you couldn't make a case, just that

there isn't much evidence to be found

to MAKE that case.

Never said that they was no evidence at all. I said that there is little evidence to use in a case against someone.

[brothernature]

I felt that what I had posted didn't need elaboration. Anyway, I already had posted my case on hiphop, so you must not be reading very well./quote]I'm not askign about your case on hiphop, or if you even ever made one, I'm asking about the case you supposedly had prepared for me before Baltar posted his.

What is your point in bringing this up? I could see if Far Cry said something, as it was directed at him, but I'm unclear why you would want to step in there...unless of course you are trying to sling mud, in which case, please proceed.

Because it involves me, and I would like to know. I'm not trying to buddy him, I just agree with his opinions on people.

What I also don't like is that even though they were two of the ringleaders in the hiphop spat, neither of them would commit to a vote. Do either of you think he is scummy? Why or why not?

At first, I thought he was simply a newbie townie overreacting to stuff. Then when he refused to drop it, I thought he was scum. OGM was doing the same thing, and since I already had my vote on him, I just left it.

[brothernature]

Edit by post:

I felt that what I had posted didn't need elaboration. Anyway, I already had posted my case on hiphop, so you must not be reading very well.

I'm not askign about your case on hiphop, or if you even ever made one, I'm asking about the case you supposedly had prepared for me before Baltar posted his.

[brothernature]

However, your case on brothernature is better than my case. Unvote; Vote: Brothernature

I meant this. Stop trying to dodge it.

[brothernature]

Lol I'm stupid. Sorry for misunderstanding, zwet. Thought you meant you had a case prepared to post on me, but since Baltar's was better, you weren't gunna post it. And no, Baltar, I do not find YOU scummy, but your predecessor I did.

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I'm not. That's why I want a hohum replacement ASAP, before we lynch brothernature.

Ya know, you still haven't provided any reason as to why you think I'm scum. You just jumped on my wagon after Baltar made his case on me.

[brothernature]

It was the RVS. Not much to go on in the first 3 pages. If I have to nitpick to scumhunt, I will, which is what I did. Instead of acting like retarded like zwet and asking stupid questions like hiphop, I did something that moved the discussion forward.

[brothernature]

As I said in my other game, sorry, but I spilt coke all over my modem and had to go about replacing it. Took the better part of the day finding one and hooking it up and such.

What makes you so certain that hohum isn't just lurking scum who is more than happy to let a mislynch of brother nature go through?

Scum do tend to lurk when the attention is turned away from him. He suddenly swings the spotlight on to me and dissapears, never to be seen again.

I'm not. That's why I want a hohum replacement ASAP, before we lynch brothernature.

Why are you so gunho about lynching me? Scum trying for an easy mislynch, perhap? You've never even provided your own case against me, just tried to make a wagon after VP made his against me. So don't you talk about lynching me until you show me WHY you want to lynch me.

I say we lynch bn today

Again, why so gunho about lynching me?

I'm here. I'm rereading the topic now. thoughts to come

Still waiting for that reread hohum. It can't take that long to read and comment on 12 pages dude. You've had almost two days as of this post.

[brothernature]

VP, I think he's saying I'm not really clear about who I think is scum, as I have made posts about several people. I'm being very open minded right now, instead of just jumping on anything that seems scummy and tunneling, I prefer to keep an open mind and look at anything, while you just attack whoever the discussion is turned at at the moment.

Also, you kinda skipped over my last post. Since you obviously didn't notice it four posts above your last one, I'll restate what I said in it about you. Why are you so Gun Ho about lynching me? You've never told us what exactly it is what you find scummy about me. You just voted me after VP made his case after me.

[brothernature]

Also, you kinda skipped over my last post. Since you obviously didn't notice it four posts above your last one, I'll restate what I said in it about you. Why are you so Gun Ho about lynching me? You've never told us what exactly it is what you find scummy about me. You just voted me after VP made his case after me.

Stop effing dodging it zwet. I've posted it three times now.

BN may be noncommittal, but you seem to be overly committal. PorkchopExpress provides a case against me, you attack, VP provides a case on BN, you attack. You seem to be overly confident on other people’s cases. How can this be so?

Also, it appears that you kinda skipped over this part of hiphop's post, zwet. I've been meaning to ask you this too. I'd very much like to hear your answer.

That said, of late bn has been stuck on the defensive, and not providing much by way of questions or analysis

I just haven't really found anything else. There is only so much you can get from people's posts until a person flips and can analyze there interactions with other players.

[brothernature]

Also, you kinda skipped over my last post. Since you obviously didn't notice it four posts above your last one, I'll restate what I said in it about you. Why are you so Gun Ho about lynching me? You've never told us what exactly it is what you find scummy about me. You just voted me after VP made his case after me.

Stop effing dodging it zwet. I've posted it three times now.

BN may be noncommittal, but you seem to be overly committal. PorkchopExpress provides a case against me, you attack, VP provides a case on BN, you attack. You seem to be overly confident on other people’s cases. How can this be so?

Also, it appears that you kinda skipped over this part of hiphop's post, zwet. I've been meaning to ask you this too. I'd very much like to hear your answer.

I don't care if your not in the mood Zwet, just answer it. I've posted it four times now, and I'm sick in tired of you not doing a single thing to help the town. You're ignoring things asked of you, jumping on wagons as they form and not contributing anything to the game. So if all your going to do is post crap that doesn't relate to the game, just don't bother posting. Really, just don't.

[brothernature]

Also, you kinda skipped over my last post. Since you obviously didn't notice it four posts above your last one, I'll restate what I said in it about you. Why are you so Gun Ho about lynching me? You've never told us what exactly it is what you find scummy about me. You just voted me after VP made his case after me.

Stop effing dodging it zwet. I've posted it three times now.

BN may be noncommittal, but you seem to be overly committal. PorkchopExpress provides a case against me, you attack, VP provides a case on BN, you attack. You seem to be overly confident on other people’s cases. How can this be so?

Also, it appears that you kinda skipped over this part of hiphop's post, zwet. I've been meaning to ask you this too. I'd very much like to hear your answer.

I'm not tunneling, zwet. I just want your answer to a question that I've asked you FIVE EFFING times now. But you're apprently are unable to see or acknowledge my posts, or something, seeing as you never respond to anything in them.

[brothernature]

Note to all - hohum will be replaced if he does not post something meaningful within 24 hours. If he is replaced, the deadline will be extended. Even if he isn't, I'm willing to extend it.

Too bad your already being replaced. It's been over 24 hours, and even it the mod extended it, I'm pretty sure that post doesn't qualify as "Meaningful."

[brothernature]

The fact that you haven't posted anything meaningful within the whole game is always noted.

[brothernature]

he fact that you haven't posted anything meaningful within the whole game is

also

noted.

Edit by post.

[brothernature]

I'm very aggressive, as I've said before. It's my nature. And I am able to have a normal conversation, just not with people who refuse to answer questions or refuse to regularly post.

[brothernature]

I was speaking of zwet, as I have repeatedly asked him a question and he refuses to answer it.

Okay. Questions. Who do you think is town/scum and why? I already know you suspect me, but anyone else? What do you think of Zwet? Of why he refuses to answer my question? Or his lack of anything helpful?

[brothernature]

Shoot. Posted on my bro's acc sorry.

[brothernature]

No, VP, I didn't Breadcrumb. I don't see the point in it. It' rather stupid, dropping clues to your role. Anyone could find them, even scum and then you'd be NK'ed like that.

[brothernature]

@Baltar: I'm pretty sure what Far Cry was referencing is the post where bn talks about trying a different playing style for a different role. I wasn't buying bn's claim because he may have breadcrumbed with a partially vague statement, it's more important that it went unchallenged. Still wanting a hiphop lynch. Unvote. Vote: hiphop

That wasn't breadcrumbing.....I see how you could interpret that as such, but that's not how I MEANT it to be interpreted.

[brothernature]

Wow. I half-expected myself to be NK'ed. And I protected you, Baltar. You were the one leading everything yesterday, and I thought they might try and take you out.

[brothernature]

How do you know that Baltar or hohum wasn't bussing? And how do we know that you weren't bussing zwet? Yeah. Think about that for a sec. I've seen scum who'll defend the townies and bus their partners like a mofo.

Anywho, like everyone else has been suggesting, whoever the cop is, please come out. We need your results, unless of course you did me or PE. Then it would be useless, as PE is dead, and I'm doc. If so, do wait til tomorrow please, and then come out.

Mod, can we get a prod for Far_Cry. He hasn't posted in quite a while.

[brothernature]

At first, I thought that bn simply breadcrummed his role. But when zwets turned up town, I knew he wasn't. I was considering changing my vote, but I decided to go against and use my gut instinct. Turns out that I was right.

To all those people that think I'm scum, let me ask you a question: why would I vote zwets, my partner? Give me a valid reason.

What do you mean zwet turned up town? He was scum....And just because you were on a scum's wagon doesn't clear you. Everyone but me and PE were on the wagon, PE is dead, and I'm doc. So one of you were bussing. And I've seen people who'll defend the townies and buss like hell to appear town. So don't play that card.

[brothernature]

Sorry guys. Was really busy today and yesterday. I'll do a quick reread of today and be back later with a meaningfull post.

[brothernature]

Anyhow, Far Cry, I'd still like you to answer my question to you after bn claimed when you said you were considering switching your vote off of zwet given the claim. I don't understand how those are related.

Did you ever answer this? If you did, I can't seem to find where.

Wait a second. I thought you just said we shouldn't be looking for the cop, and that the cop shouldn't claim. So why should doc claim? So you can kill him the next night?

I claimed doc a long time ago dude. Yesterday when I was at L-1. Pay attention dude.

[brothernature]

I've only been gone three days. Calm yourself. And sorry. Teachers have been loading us down with homework. I haven't had much time to get on my computer. I'll go catch up on what I missed real quick and be right back to answer your questions...

[brothernature]

@Brothernature: Who is your prime suspect? What are your thoughts on hiphop? What do you think about the hohum/VP argument?

Right now, hohum. I don't like how he didn't respond to any of the points Baltar made and simply wrote it off as OMGUSing on Baltar's part. Even if it is OMGUS, Baltar made some valid points that hohum should answer. I believe that answers the first and third question.

As to hiphop, I don't know about him. I'll have to go and read a couple of his games and check him out, see how he normally acts and whatnot.

Also, I'll be V/LA until Friday night, most likely.

Got three huge tests to study for on Friday and a huge project due on Monday.

And, Sironigous, you have hohum's name listed twice on the Vote Count. The first and last name on the list are both 'hohum.'

Fixed and noted! Good luck with your tests and project.

[brothernature]

hohum, your at L-2. Claim-time, perhaps?

[brothernature]

hohum, your at

L-1

. Claim-time, perhaps?

Edit by post.

Gotcha.

[brothernature]

Woho! Pretty sure I flunked 2/3 of those tests, but whatev. Sorry for not posting at all yesterday. I get migraines and had a splitting headache yesterday and could barely focus and was finishing that project I mentioned earlier all of today. Anyways, I'll do a reread and take a couple notes and make a post by tomorrow hopefully.

[brothernature]

Agreed. Reading back over the last couple pages has left me wanting to hear from hohum. He never replied to your case against him, Baltar. Just said "OMGUS" and left it. But I just really don't wanna lynch of over lurking. If we mislynch, we'll be at Lylo tomorrow, unless I get a successfull protection. And that would be rather hard with the cop claiming today. The obvious choice would to be to protect the cop. But the scum know that, so they would target someone else. But of course I know that they would know that so I wouldn't protect the cop. But of course they know that and and would target the cop and so on.

[brothernature]

First, he won't die, he just won't accept the protection. He'll only die if the Mafia target and NK him. But ya, forgot about that for a sec. Got a lot on my mind lately. Having IRL issues at the moment.

[brothernature]

Welcome to Bird 7P, ____!

Some call you insane. Others call you paranoid. You know you’re not either though; you’re a normal doctor!

Each night, you may send me the name of one player, and that player will not be affected by any night kill attempts.

Notes:

Your protection does not work on the cop; he won’t accept it.

You may not protect yourself.

You and the town win when all mafia forces are eliminated from the town.
You cannot win with the mafia!

Yeah. It just says that he won't accept it in mine.

[brothernature]

Ah. Excellent. First town win. Look forward to playing with ya again Far_Cry in Mini 859. Good game to all, and to all a good game.