Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[Xylthixlm]

Why has Namttam not been lynched yet?

[Namttam]

Why has Namttam not been lynched yet?

I am actually confused by this as well. What more information are people looking for? Let's get our lynch now so you guys can move on from this. Some people are dead set on lynching me, even some of those not voting for me think I'm scum. This makes me think even more that the maf are all on my wagon already.

Even at this moment, when you have a wagon against you and you could be lynched, if you were town, I'd expect you to be providing information and scumhunting that we could use the next day. The most you seem to be prepared to do is ask for people to provide a case on you.

As a player with no powers getting everyone to stand behind their votes is the best I can do to provide information to the town.

Everyone has answered my question to my satisfaction except for kmd. I'm not going to be on the internet until Thursday at the earliest so feel free to throw down the hammer as soon as he explains this.

DO NOT HAMMER UNTIL THIS IS DONE BY KMD!!!

Thanks guys.

Unvote. Vote: Namttam

@mod

-I think two weeks is too long and Lowell should probably be replaced.

[SerialClergyman]

Zzz

Although I used to consider self-voting scummy, I have just played a game (Lumberjack Mafia) where we had two town self-hammer and one essentially give up on the game and it fucking shits me. If you're town, it's just not good enough to turn up and make other people show their reasoning for voting you. Stand up and tell us who you think is scum and why for god's sake. Or you know, actually defend yourself properly. If you're town, you still win if we win, but you're actively hurting us now if you're a townie who's self-voting so man up and actually do something to help your team.

If you're scum and just sulking, then /ignore.

[Kublai Khan]

@Wickedestjr: Thanks for all the hard work on collecting voting patterns, but it might be for naught. I'm not seeing any patterns either.

This makes me think even more that the maf are all on my wagon already.

Eh.. My experience is that it's almost scum who say something like that. To wit:

Still, that bandwagon's size is alarming.
I can guarantee you that it's mostly scum driven.

Still, you make an interesting point. Why is there hesitation? Why are people dragging this day out? Let me go back and distill where people are currently standing...

Those not currently on the lynch (synthesis of suspicion towards Xylthixlm & Namttam and other recent actions)

:

curiouskarmadog

: recently unvoted Xylthixlm, not sure if he believe's Namttam's townie claim, pretty wishy-washy and vague. Not making any concrete statements of suspicion.

Faraday

: Thinks Xylthixlm is "neutral-ish" and states that nothing Nattam has done has caught his eye as scummy.

Hayker

: Not 100% happy with lynching either Xylthixlm or Namttam. Would rather lynch Lowell.

Lowell

: Stated that he thinks Namttam is suspicious (though Xylthixlm is more suspicious). Stated willingness to hammer Namttam. Recently had to be prodded.

molestargazer

: Stated that he doesn't like Namttam's defense a couple of times. Stated that he'd be happy to vote be hasn't.

roflcopter

: Heavy pushing the Xylthixlm wagon, but stated that he believed Namttam to be Cerulean Goon. Currently prodded.

Wickedestjr

: Casting a pretty wide potential scum net at the moment with his analysis (7 people?) I think he's leaning more for Xylthixlm than Namttam though.

Those currently on the Namttam lynch wagon

:

SerialClergyman

: Stated his case in 1842.

Kmd4390

: Stated his reason in post 1752 (VC analysis done in post 1446)

SpyreX

: States his case in 1788.

Xylthixlm

: I think 1755 is where he states his reasons...

Kublai Khan

: My case is states in 1820.

Namttam

: Uh, 1876 he makes a case on himself.

So is this where everyone is currently standing?

[Xylthixlm]

Xylthixlm

: I think 1755 is where he states his reasons...

Also 1754 and 1804.

[Kublai Khan]

Xylthixlm

: I think 1755 is where he states his reasons...

Also 1754 and 1804.

Fair enough. Your thoughts are spread out over several posts, makes it tough to extrapolate your message in an iso read.

[roflcopter]

posting don't replace me

[molestargazer]

...

Self-votes are dumb. If you're town, they do us no good. If you're scum, it doesn't work in trying to convince anyone you're town, and won't stop any wagons.

You've failed at convincing me not to lynch you, nor have you managed to point out anyone else who could be scummy enough.

I'll honour your wish and wait for Kmd to post before I vote.

[curiouskarmadog]

Anyone on the fence between myself and Xyl, check out his voting record. Xyl has been hesitant to make any sort of case when voting. (Easiest way is to sort for vote in iso and look for the bold.) Voted for Hayker, Mastin, ckool, Mastin, Wickedestjr, Lowell and me.

why does that make Xyl scum? is he the only one here that has done that?

unvote

for now.

speaking of not answering questions...why when I ask these, you crumble and self vote? Please answer.

@KK, I unvoted Xyl because a combo of doubt that he is scum and something Nam said. I have been back and forth on Xyl for awhile (think this has already been discussed)...if we were in the beginning stages of the game (or day) I would simply put my vote on Nam..but we are too close to a lynch and I want to be sure.

At the moment I think Nam is scummier than Xyl.

KK, why are you in a rush to get the day over?

[curiouskarmadog]

one more question KK, what prompted you to make post 1878? "Feeling the day is too long" is not really what I am looking for here...was there a particular post or discussion that prompted this?

there are still unanswered questions floating.

===
being one who tends to get fustrated and self votes as a townie (though stopping this type of action) I can relate if you are town. That being said, I have also done it as mafia because I knew people had that meta on me. What bothers me about your self vote is, if you really wanted KMD to answer (thus you all caps bolded message), why vote yourself?....makes your self vote suspicous

[Kmd4390]

I've already given my reasons for voting.

Molest, Nam wasn't on either of the two lynches. He voted VP, confirmed cop and Rofl, who is town. I also just noticed that he voted with Mastin and then avoided Mastin's lynch, so I guess that's a connection I failed to see.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #51=-

Namttam (6) - SerialClergyman, Kmd4390, SpyreX, Xylthixlm, Kublai Khan, Namttam
Xylthixlm (3) - roflcopter, Lowell, Wickedestjr
Hayker (1) - molestargazer
Lowell (1) - Hayker

Not Voting (2) - Faraday, curiouskarmadog

7 to lynch.

[Kublai Khan]

@KK, I unvoted Xyl because a combo of doubt that he is scum and something Nam said. I have been back and forth on Xyl for awhile (think this has already been discussed)...if we were in the beginning stages of the game (or day) I would simply put my vote on Nam..but we are too close to a lynch and I want to be sure.

At the moment I think Nam is scummier than Xyl.

So noted. But why does the day make such a big difference? I would understand if it was Day 3 and we had no dead scum, but we're not at LYLO. We've still got a margin of error.

KK, why are you in a rush to get the day over?

one more question KK, what prompted you to make post 1878? "Feeling the day is too long" is not really what I am looking for here...was there a particular post or discussion that prompted this?

Both these questions kinda have the same answer. What prompted my post? More than anything I'd say Hayker's vote for Lowell. On one hand I agree with Hayker that Lowell is scummy, but on the other hand I'm also positive that Namttam is scum. Several good cases have been presented from multiple points of view that show a clear pattern of behavior that indicates a nefarious scum-aligned intent. Namttam has not offered a different (pro-town) believable explanation for his behavior, instead he's offered a self-vote which I always interpret as an appeal to emotion which is never a good argument. So from my POV, it's pretty much an open and shut case.

As much as I'd love to pursue my suspicions of Lowell, I can't. I've got no leverage against him because he knows that Namttam is the lynch for today and it would be near impossible to build a counter-wagon on him. So if he's scum then he's just going to clam up. (Actually he's V/LA, so I really can't pursue him).

I know the general theory around these parts is that longer days favor town, but if the main target of suspicion isn't offering a defense and active players like roflcopter are being prodded due the stagnation, then whats the point of dragging the game to the point of deadline? Those that are sitting on the fence need to have their motives questioned. They need to either state why they think the Namttam case is bad or they need to be good townies and lynch scum.

[Lowell]

Self-voting is incredibly scummy. He claimed townie. Case closed.

unvote, vote namttam

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #52: The End of Day Three Vote Count=-

Namttam (7) - SerialClergyman, Kmd4390, SpyreX, Xylthixlm, Kublai Khan, Namttam, Lowell

Xylthixlm (2) - roflcopter, Wickedestjr
Hayker (1) - molestargazer
Lowell (1) - Hayker

Not Voting (2) - Faraday, curiouskarmadog

7 to lynch.

As the day draws on, two names seem to be the focus of the town's attention; Namttam and Xylthixlm. They can't seem to come to a consensus as to which one deserves to hang more, until Namttam decides to stick his own head in the noose and dare the group to lynch him. Lowell is happy to oblige, and pulls the trapdoor lever without hesitation.

Namttam, Emerald Townie - Lynched Day Three

-=It is now Night Three. Please send all night actions to me by Friday, 31st July.=-

[iamausername]

flavour is missing, presumed dead

roflcopter, Emerald Townie - Slaughtered Night Three
molestargazer, Emerald Neighbour - Murdered Night Three

-=It is now Day Four. Deadline set for Sunday, 23rd August. With 10 alive, it will take 6 votes to lynch.=-

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm, rereading, will post soon, have another game that needs updating first.

[iamausername]

Oh, also, I just remembered something. I wanted to note that unlike the previous two nights, which were extended for absences (fallen angel and curiouskarmadog, respectively), this one wasn't extended for Lowell's stated vacation time because he was definitely around at the beginning of the night, and therefore had plenty of opportunity to submit the night action that he may or may not have. That's all.

[Kublai Khan]

Damn it Namttam.. Townies should always try to defend themselves. A suicidal townie only helps scum.

I'll try to get some re-reading done tonight, but I'm busy packing for a camping vacation. I'll be gone until the 15th. So lynch some scum while I'm gone, okay?

[Wickedestjr]

I am surprised that rofl died last night. I still like my vote from yesterday;

Vote: Xyl

[Xylthixlm]

roflcopter - killed by Vermillion
molestargazer - killed by Cerulean

Hmmmm. Why would Vermillion kill roflcopter?

[Xylthixlm]

Town

Achilles

SpyreX

dvdkid13

Kmd4390

fallen angel

Xylthixlm
Hayker
Wickedestjr

Maybe Not Town

BloodCovenent

Lowell

cateraction

curiouskarmadog
Faraday
Kublai Khan

reveillark

SerialClergyman

The list of people who I don't think are town is getting shorter. Let's try to lynch a scum today, mmm?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am surprised that rofl died last night. I still like my vote from yesterday;

Vote: Xyl

why?

also, I am surprised that both you and Hay are around today.

does the mole kill not surprise you? Why or why not?

[Xylthixlm]

Still reminding myself what happened yesterday.

I see molestargazer came up neighbor. This gives a pretty high probability that the last neighbor is scum. And there is no way you are going to convince me that this was not a breadcrumb.

vote: Lowell

[curiouskarmadog]

I see molestargazer came up neighbor. This gives a pretty high probability that the last neighbor is scum. And there is no way you are going to convince me that this was not a breadcrumb.

I agree....and the vote on the tail end of the day when he was going to be gone.

vote Lowell