OK, what we have here is a failure to communicate and I am really not sure how to overcome it. I have really never had this much trouble conveying my thoughts than in this game.
First, I have been lynched in exactly zero games (not counting War in Heaven 2 which was nightless). So having to defend myself like this is a new experience to me. I have only had to do it really as a miller which is an inherently scummy role. When I started playing mafia I quit shortly after because I didn't like being suspected. When I came back I made the commitment to work through these situations because it's the only way I will learn so here I am...learning. My only request of you is that you step back and entertain the possibility that I am town. I actually somewhat want to get lynched at this point so that town can get over me and move on to who is really scum. I feel I am distracting the town from finding scum.
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Now...on to responding to your questions/comments:
X 456 wrote:Juls, I think you've been very single-minded over the course of the game...mostly concentrating on Empking, VPB, and your tubby and PP votes were largely unexplained. The PP vote was somewhat explained, but only by a post a day earlier saying that he would drop the hammer. I read over the VPB and Juls argument overNight, and thought that VPB made more sense, and was being accused of misrepresentation when he actually wasn't.
I am not trying to be single-minded. I feel like VPB has twisted not only my words but other people's words. My fear is that I drop my case on VP and he slips by without question. But I do admit I question it now that so many people have called me stupid for making it (in so many words). I also honestly could not justify Empking's play in any way other than wanting to be lynched. I have a history of not liking players like this (zwets, killa_seven are a couple others I have had issues with). But even after playing with Empking it just felt like he wanted to be lynched. Now I see he is just a troll and I gave him attention. Shame on me. My comment on tubby stands. I felt that saying "oh I will make a case on you tomorrow" felt off. I did however get better feelings from pesco.
X 456 wrote:Juls, what do you think of Truant, Cow, and Sotty?
Truant/image - image mostly lurked which is never a good thing. other than that I don't have anything I can sit here and put in quotes and point to as something I found scummy about him. The game I recently played in voting patterns came into play and just a quick look over his voting pattern I notice that he really doesn't put his vote out there much. He only joke voted and voted for PP. So, it may be worth looking into a little more. Truant's vote on me with a piggybacked argument is also worth noting.
Cow - I lean town at the moment. The only thing I really noted on him on my reread was his case on image was a little weak (saying that sarcasm tags were scummy).
Sotty - I lean town on Sotty as well. She has been looking for scum, asking questions, seems to be scum-hunting.
cow 457 wrote:it's a cop out. At least try to defend yourself instead of claiming.
I feel like that is all I have been doing is defending myself. When I made my claim I already had 2 votes on me. I have been studying for an exam so I wasn't sure how fast it would go or how much time I would have to devote to the game so I might as well get it out there.
VPB 458 wrote:@ Juls-I don't think the quote you cite is really me chaining your lynch to Empking's alignment. I gave a hypothetical reason I thought could be valid as to why you would unvote Empking for seemingly little to no reason. If I had been pushing for Empking's lynch yesterday, then I would say that you have a valid point, but I most certainly was not.
On reread I see that you were saying you thought Empking was town previously. The quote stuck out to me because you called me "hypo" scum and I had remembered you saying it was based on Empking flipping town. You were arguing that I didn't want to be on a townie mislynch while others were arguing I was his scumbuddy. I think I may have crossed some wires here.
VPB 458 wrote:You later claim that you unvoted because you were worried about him being a Jester, which is strange since you have apparently never even played with a Jester before. Did you assume a Jester lynch automatically ended the game? If so, why?
Never playing in a game with a jester does not make me oblivious that the role exists. I am aware of the role, I am aware of the role's purpose. Vi's rules clearly point out the role is possible in the game. I have always been told when Jester speculation has occured that the mod will say if there is the possibility of Jester. I was clearly wrong on it. I also did not assume the Jester lynch ended the game for two reasons 1) I don't think that Vi would sit in the queue for 3-4 months to end the game so suddenly and 2) she, in so many words said it wouldn't in response to whoever asked if it would end the game. I have explained this now every which way from Sunday. I would like to move on from it.
Sotty7 461 wrote:You pushed emp on day one for basically being emp. You then hammered PP and when day two started you wanted to “hold the phone” on emp, suddenly worried he was a jester. You then built a case on VP that no one really agreed with and as soon as Tubby expressed suspicions of you, you went ahead and voted for him too. Just throwing away your case on VP almost as if you didn't believe it fully yourself.
OK that's fine. I accept everything you say in this quote except the part where you say I threw away my case on VP. Last I checked, most games of mafia have more than one scum. Just because I voted someone else does not mean that I forgot about VP. And a vote is a lot more powerful than saying "I think what you said was scummy" so I used my vote. I don't think there is anything wrong with that at all.
Sotty7 461 wrote:You keep trying to place the blame of your play on anyone but yourself. Calling the town lazy, saying you are over this game. I can't see as anything but a desperation tactic at this point.
I don't want to act like I am not at blame here. Like I have said, I have made mistakes. But, I do think the town and scum have focused in on me and don't really have a plan for when I flip town. It's getting kinda late in the game to be mislynching so often and from what I can see there really aren't anymore leads. A question to everyone, when I flip town, because I will, who are you going after?
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If I am still around, everyone should know the next 10 or so days for me are going to be pretty busy as I wrap up the semester. Just an FYI. I will be around but if I don't get back to someone immediately that's why. I would like to do another reread of the game but I think my time is limited here...
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