Mini 817: Chosen (Game Over!)

[afatchic]

CONFIRM!!

[afatchic]

BTW.. Huge Chem. test friday morning that i will be studying for in most of my spare time, so i won't be on MS much. But since this is the only game i am in, i think i can muster up a few posts a day.

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Vote BloodCovenant

for posting in my game, that you was not even in. Only scum would lurk around places they are not supposed to be.

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Vote: Papa Zito

It's your turn my friend!

My turn?

That's two votes on me. Hmm.

Still no Random Vote?

[afatchic]

what are you talking about?
Is this... that one time, like... three months ago?

Yep I'm not holding a grudge, it just stuck out to me when i saw your name again.

Bloodcovenant what do you think about the two wagons right now (Archon, Papa Zito)

[afatchic]

I have modded afatchic.

Disappointed that Zorblag doesn't write in third person in games.

Weren't we in a game together as well?


Anyways, I have modded Archon. And i guess played with Zorblag if you say so. Sorry, but i don't exactly remember that game. Must have been real brief, as you said.


Papa what was the vote on Nuwen for?

[afatchic]

I have modded afatchic.

Disappointed that Zorblag doesn't write in third person in games.

Weren't we in a game together as well?

Having searched through your games, yes, we were both replacements in Chain Reaction Mafia.

How can you search through all my games? I wanna do that because i think we were in a different one, but i may be getting confused. Actually come to think of it, i think that was the game you modded

[afatchic]

Scummiest player so far.

Any reasons?

[afatchic]

As in, if this was poker I'd like to see Papa Zito's hand because I think it's emtpy.

Psh... I'd raise him at this point.

I think felt a little bit of pressure for not placing the RV during the RVS, so to try to please everyone, he places a vote.

[afatchic]

TDC, MiteyMouse, nadroj15, Papa Zito.

More content later tonight

[afatchic]

afatchic, when you do post later tonight please be sure to give a sentence or two on each of those 4 as to why you would exclude them as the chosen.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

It was really just process of elimination. Honestly, TDC was about the only 1 i would want to make sure was not the chosen if i was mafia. After that it would have just been a random pick for the next three.

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Wow, the posting explosion was unexpected to say the least. Sorry i have been absent pretty much for the past few days, my summer classes are kicking my butt right now though.

Anyways, I guess i will start to comment on whatever comes to mind first.

The no-lynch idea... How would that be auto-win for town? I realize No-lynch is out of the question, but how is that auto win? I still think that would be a bad idea, as the scum would most likely just NK anyone we had pretty much confirmed, so it wouldn't help us to much, IMO. Glad that is gone though, as i can't stand trying to break setups. People tried to attempt that on the game i modded, and it nearly backfired.

So i guess i will give a general breakdown of everyone...

Zorblag- Town. I have very little doubt in my mind that he is town. He may just be an outstanding player, but i believe him to be town. It would be hard for me to vote for him if he claimed scum.

Herotodus- Just been in the game briefly, but from what i have seen he seems pro-town. His comments and posts have all seemed genuine rather than an attempt to appear like a townie. I also think Archon would have def. been one of the remaining players to be the chosen, so this could work out pretty good for us.

BloodCovenant- Neutral. I haven't seen a whole lot of content from him that i recall. What i have seen didn't appear scummy to me, however it didn't have me telling myself he was guaranteed townie either. I would say he seems to be genuinely helping, with is +townie points.

Ash- Neutral. Nothing sticks out in my mind about him, so i can't really make a decision one way or the other. I guess i will have to look back through and make a better decision.

MM- V/La- Not a whole lot to go on.

Raivann- Not much to go on either, Neutral.

Papa Zito- Town/Neutral- He seemed to respond pretty good during the first few pages, but i haven't really been able to get a good read on him. He also supplied a pretty decent reason for his vote on Nuwen early on, which surprised me quite a bit, so im leaning townie at the moment.

TDC- Neutral/Scum. He seems to be attempting to help, and does appear helpful. But that's the thing, it looks to me more like he is trying to appear helpful than actually trying to helpful. The posts don't seem very genuine to me for some reason. I don't know if i was expecting for more of a mind blowing townie performance or what. Another reason i have him this low is because i know he appears townie with almost any role, so when i have the slightest disbelief with him, it will automatically set off alarms.

Zorblag- Your plan of lynching the non-chosens seems good, except for the fact that we will most likely be losing our most helpful players. Most of the players you named, are the ones with more experience and likely to be more helpful in the long run. I think it will have its pro's and con's. I do believe that if we stick to lynching to non-chosen candidates, we can't lose, which is a good thing. However, it will leave a very inexperienced group left to win it for us. I don't know, i am still having mixed feeling about what strategies we should take when playing this game.

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@TDC - sorry - I got a new job this week. I'll try to post more.

@Zorblag - I would randomly generate in much the same way roles are assigned. This would prevent us from being buried in WIFOM.

Unvote

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Vote: Herodotus

The last game I played with Archon, he was replaced early and flipped scum when his replacement died. I don't think he likes playing scum.

He also replaced out pretty early in the game i modded, as a gunsmith. Fail logic.

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I could give you a list but it is pretty much random because I dont know...

The idea is good as long as scum excluded the players they thought were the best. They could have done the exact opposite, no?

Is it just me, or does this not scream "I don't want you to know our strategy"?

This feels like reaching to me. IF Raivann is scum, he still wasn't here when they came up with the strategy. So how would he know what their strategy was?

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This feels like reaching to me. IF Raivann is scum, he still wasn't here when they came up with the strategy. So how would he know what their strategy was?

It's standard practice to allow scum replacees to communicate with their partners, isn't it?

Not quite. Normally, there is a quicktopic (basically a private thread,) and they can read whatever the original players wrote.

Example:
In this (abandoned) game http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11252
the QT was here http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/YRngLQvvHXPmZ (it's in reverse chronological order)
When kieraen replaced Gateway, he was given a link to the QT, so he could read what Gateway, Rishi, and I had discussed in pre-game, but none of us could post there during the day.

Things could be different here, but rule 11 suggests there is a scum QT. I assume that a scum being replaced does not grant them a daytalking ability. (I also assume that the scum were not originally allowed to daytalk.)

Two things I want to mention:

1. Sorry for the length/uselessness of the nolynch discussion. I hope it doesn't lead to anyone getting behind.

2. I'd be okay lynching Raivann or Ash. Troll (aka. Zorblag) gave a decent reason for choosing Raivann over Ash, but I could be swayed back to Ash.

I didn't read rule 11, and i was thinking 2 scum= no QT thread.

Either way, i still feel as if it is reaching.

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I didn't read the scum Pm's on the first page, and didn't realize they knew who the Chosen 1 was until Papa Zito just pointed it out. That kind of worries me even more now. At first i was thinking, what if Papa Zito or Zorblag are scum? They have pretty much controlled the game for the most part. They would have known who the remaining few that the chosen one could be, then try and present legitimate cases against those three, until the Chosen 1 gets lynched. Now, given that they know who the Chosen 1 is, it makes it even worse. Now then know exactly what wagon to push, and given its any one of the more experienced players as scum, they could probably do it.

Can someone please present to me the case against Raivann, since i am really not seeing it.

Afatchic...random here but, she stands out for me...I've seen her around and love her name!

Would you like it as much if it was a guy?

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Can someone please present to me the case against Raivann, since i am really not seeing it.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 94#1756994
The response to PZ is a possible chainsaw defense. Zito's accusation was pretty minor, and clearly directed at Ash. Nuwen jumped in to answer it for him and stop the line of discussion before Ash could make a slip.

Post 20 doesn't look very good either.

So then Raivann is scum for defending Ash?

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Afatchic...random here but, she stands out for me...I've seen her around and love her name!

Would you like it as much if it was a guy?

Oh my...I'm sorry! I would still like it but, not as much...hehehe!

[afatchic]

I'm not liking this "look, I must be town, I have no idea about things scum would know" theme you've going there.

Okay, next time i won't explain my actions.

[afatchic]

@ Zorblag- I was quite surprised to see i was excluded that many times in your list. I find that pretty odd, as i have been caring less in a lot of my games and getting lynched pretty often.

Also @ Zorblag- This creates Wifom, but do you think the scum were honest with their lists? I would have to say i don't think so, if they were smart. If they were in fact honest about it, we could use process of elimination and figure out the scum by the end.

@ MOD- Votecount please?!

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This. and This.

Basically, I felt as if MM has played the entire with no actual involvement. She has slipped through without much suspicion, giving us little to actually work with. She basically just gave us IIOA, which isn't that good. With little improvement after being pressured, it just feels weak. Whether we lynch scum or not, we at least get rid of (what to me looks like) an anti-town player.

And you are.....?


Anyways, sorry for my lack of content. I have a chem. test friday that i will be spending most of my free time studying for. I have been able to stay pretty well caught up, but not really having enough time to analyze and make a decent post. I should be able to put one together this weekend though.

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afatchic, I look forward to your thoughts this weekend then. School (or RL in general) clearly comes before the game. I'm interested in hearing why you're voting for BloodCovenent now given that the read that you gave on him in your PBPA was neutral. Is he scummy enough for you to be sure that he isn't the chosen at this time?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Yeah that was from earlier in the game, i guess i never unvoted. I was actually going to switch votes, but didn't have time to make a case or anything, so i figured i'd wait.

It's coming though....

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Screams were heard by the villagers throughout the night. Out of fear and disbelief nobody went to check... until morning...

"Is everyone accounted for?" shouted one from the crowd. Everyone checks, and rechecks only to slowly realize that one of their own had vanished.

TDC

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Vanilla Townie

, Killed, N1

Highly shocked at this.

Sorry about my absence for the end of day 1, but i was pretty busy in RL and neglected both my mafia games. I need to reread the last few pages of day 1 and give some opinions.

By the way, when i said yesterday i was fully ready to change my vote, but i just needed the time to make my case, that was on TDC, so now im just not sure where i am going.