Mini 816: Revenge of the Monkey(GAME OVER!)

[Devestation]

you guys are quick.

/confirm.

vote Charlatan

for being in possession of both a scummy AND an outdated firearm.

[Devestation]

Hey I DO recognise a lot of you

unvote, vote snake

for having a contradictory avatar.

Okay we might as well kick this game off. Anyone got a guess as to how many mafia we have?

[Devestation]

I would assume three then as this is MonkeyMan's first time modding, and has probably used a fairly basic setup, with about as many PRs as there are mafia.

[Devestation]

Albany Park?

unvote

btw.

[Devestation]

You cant seriously expect to pull off a bandwagon lynch in the RVS...

Unvote so we don't have any accidents

[Devestation]

Its an RVS vote via the reason of "having a contradictory avatar". Pirates can be loyal to their own crew so it aint contradictory.
Plus, it's absolutely pointless for it to stay there given that we have been prematurely pulled out of the RVS stage by this ridiculous bandwagoning and "just leaving it there" will ultimately be more scummy in the long run. I'm much more worried about this pointless wagon against scott brosius.

What do you mean set off your alarm? You think my bandwagoning was scummy, or what? I think bandwagons are extremely protown, the bigger, the better in my experience. If we brought Scott to L-2 or L-1 for no other reason than "just because" it would be much to my liking.

PRO TOWN??? We need reasons for our votes, you can't expect to seriously be able to justify a reasonless bandwagon in the RVS. What happens if scum hammer? What happens if a JESTER hammers and we lynch them for stupidity tomorrow?

Sajin by saying "Unvote so we don't have any accidents" I was actually talking to the bandwagoneers.

[Devestation]

I could almost do a real OMGUS vote there, because apparently you really DO suck

I know you did it for reactions, but I called for people to unvote because I think bandwagoning is daft the entire way, and mafia can go and search for reactions too using the same technique. Plus, without any real evidence at all, a bandwagon on anyone on the game would have yielded the same reactions.

I'm not "Panicked". Thats an overstatement.

[Devestation]

wth... there was like 60 posts between where I was up to and when I posted

[Devestation]

Devestation, post 49 wrote:
You cant seriously expect to pull off a bandwagon lynch in the RVS...

Unvote so we don't have any accidents


He then calls Devestation out on trying to deflate Scott's wagon, tying them together for that reason.

You say that as if you know that they were actually trying to lynch Scott. Why?

[Devestation]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10755
Obvious that me and my scumbuddy pushed for mislynches. We would have been caught easily if it wasn't a newbie game.

Shame on you for trying to mislead newbies as to the best course of action... now they'll be out in other games thinking NLs are okay >_>

[Devestation]

This is dumb/not true. Mafia don't need to figure out people's alignment, so they don't care about early reactions

Yes they do, if they want to lynch someone they need JUST as much evidence as any townie.

I have explained the reason for my unvote if you'd care to remember.

Sajin has defined scummy and townie wagons fairly well (although it is assumed that every person that votes in the townie wagon has some solid reasons of their own for their vote), but I think you will find the bandwagon that I asked to stop before it goes overboard fits better into the first category of wagon than the second. The RVS stage is NOT a place of reason, it is a place of voting because of irrelevant details. It does NOT fit into the second category, no matter how you look at it.

[Devestation]

Calling to unvote was my stance, Konowa.

And when I post, I just defend AND scumhunt at the same time. When I'm not constantly having to defend my own actions I will think more about the actions of others.

[Devestation]

owie, don't prod

No Konowa, I can't point you at where I have been scumhunting, because to the best of my memory I have had to defend my wording and intentions in every single post I have made (including this one).

[Devestation]

Yes I DO know that Charlatan, but if I do, I'll get messed up and nobody can tell what I'm on about.

[Devestation]

The biggest scumtell so far IMHO is Charter being of the opinion that bandwagons are protown. We've been over it and I don't have to explain why it is fail. I'm not going to lynch someone over their honest(?) opinion though, unlike what StrangerCoug has apparently tried to do. Scum points for him to BTW.

Reading back, Konowa claims I'm scummy because of jester speculation? Thats going to take some explanation before I understand that, I play quite a few games (on other sites albeit) where jesters are quite common. Havent played terribly many games on this site though, so if they are uncommon here I won't argue with that.

[Devestation]

SC BOTH of your questions are answered in that post, please read harder.

Konowa I await your post with general irritation. If its because I didnt consider the topic at the time, you've already had that explained too.

[Devestation]

SC BOTH of your questions are answered in that post, please read harder.

You don't want to lynch a player for their honest opinion. Fine. You think I'm scummy for wanting to lynch a player for that honest opinion. Fine. Why, however, are you calling said opinion the biggest scumtell in the game? I'm not connecting the dots here.

Possibly because I do not bother to call out my own scumtells? According to anyone thats posted in the last 72 hours or so, everyone else is clean. Unless of course, nobody is looking.

[Devestation]

@Devestation - So the biggest scumtell to you so far is an opinion on theory? Also, as SC has said, if you think it is a scumtell why are you giving him scum points for pursuing charter?

Regarding jesters, they, in my opinion, have no place in normal games and should only be in bastard/open setups. So yes, bringing up jesters is scummy as it introduces a whole different type of WIFOM to the game.

@Dramonic - What is your opinion on Devestation? I have asked you this before, I am asking you again.

Because, like what you said yourself in post 120, "For you be attacking him this hard over theory is very scummy". You even voted in that one, and I don't vote without a heck of a lot more evidence than that. Don't be a hypocrite.

Second paragraph is noted (plays a fair bit of EM).

[Devestation]

All those connections just turn into WIFOMs in my mind, but thats just the way I think.

Nobody seems to have accepted my reason for not hunting, so I offer you none more. Yes, you've completely outreasoned me. Yes, I skimp off other peoples scum-hunting and rarely put effort into it unless I've actually noticed something seriously odd, and when I voice the things I find seriously odd I get a few more votes on me.

Finally, I have a 16 hour school excursion tomorrow to a place with a wind that bites. I will either be V/LA for 24-28 hours, or V/LA for some weeks while I recover from Swine flu (or don't).

[Devestation]

Charlatan none of the connections that StrangerCoug asked me about involved me.

Theres a difference between huge scumtell and the biggest scumtell so far.

I'll claim if a majority of people want me to claim.

Yes I damn well think I am being treated unfairly. It would appear that you and Konowa have yet to disagree on a thing, perhaps we should be looking closer at you two.




StrangerCoug whenever I think about bussing or anti-bussing, WIFOM always comes into mind.

I'm bloody well out of replies for everything, because at the end of the day you lot are correct about everything I've done wrong so far.




Charter I am not a lurker, I try to post at least once every 2 days.

Your not interested in any other groups or pairing other than the ones that have ME in them? You might as well just say that you don't care about anyone but me (Charlatan, here is your unfairness!)

VOTE CHARTER

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[Devestation]

While I think about it,

MOD: Prod anyone that has not posted since the 20th

[Devestation]

The biggest scumtell so far is not nessecarily a big scumtell.

[Devestation]

I don't even know how that works O_O

[Devestation]

Sorry, I thought you said that the biggest scumtell of anyone is who they have voted.

Also, I was thinking about the general inactivity of the people playing this game, as the last post that I had read before making that post had the writer commenting about it.




Claim time.

I am a cop. Each night I can determine the alignment of one other player. I win when everyone opposed to the town are dead.

[Devestation]

Devestation, how did you come up with the wording you used there? Is it all your own words or was it a paraphrase?
-Paraphrase

Why did you not claim before?
-Nobody wanted me to and I didnt think I was actually going to be lynched yet (I'm always a little like that).

Why did you need time to think about it?
-Because I wasnt sure whether I wanted to bother. Every time I post something I run into a brick wall that nobody else seems to run into, and a really strong, sadistic and anti-town part of me wants ya'll to find out what I am the hard way to get back at you for it. Yes, Cop <-> Town communication is at an all time low. *Insert RATM music here*

[Devestation]

Jeez, look who just surfaced >_>

[Devestation]

Get lynched.

QFT.

End of press conference til day 2, I'm going to be owned by my Information Processing and Publishing teacher in a few hours.

[Devestation]

I think replacements are in order.

And Scott, you'd see me think that regardless of my alignment, just for future reference >_>

[Devestation]

Just as I finally nail some of this work you...

For the third time, I get suspicious when a wagon that had been strong all day crumbles close to deadline.

I have observed this in almost every mini game that I have played. People are running out of time, and hence base their decisions on less and less information.

Still no reason for me to claim.

You were on L-1 for gods sake... too late now.

I still stand by my statement that Devestation is a much better lynch. However, since no one wants to take me up on it, I will concede to having charter lynched who is equally as scummy.

What makes me a better lynch than Charter, even though he is just as scummy as I am? (Answer tomorrow I don't expect one now)

[Devestation]

*walks in with a coffee mug and t-shirt*

Of course someone will CC the claim of the scummiest claimed person. Of course they will wait for the next day, just to pretend to be laying low so they don't get killed, and of course they will fake cop-behaviour if they have half an idea what they are doing, and by now I'm pretty sure Konowa knows what he is doing.

I got an innocent, on Charlatan.

IMHO Politicians are a risky role, because if the Politician is wrong about who he thinks is scum, he's gone and stuffed up someone who might have a correct suspicion. I suppose it can work the other way though.

[Devestation]

stuff

How was I laying low? Seriously? I was practically calling for your head.

Your lack of vote on me nails you as scum. Get lynched.

And I could say the same for all the other people who haven't voted yet. C'mon, jump on board! Least Konowa lynches you

[Devestation]

Town- Charlatan- I found him innocent with my super special cop powers.

Town- Get back to you on this, I make it no secret that it takes me some time to make a read on anyone, leaving me sitting here for hours at a time.

Scum- Konowa- Apparently, everything I say is scummy. EVERYTHING! Its why I don't like saying anything, because I get sick and tired of having to deal with backlash that simply snowballs into something that is totally off-track of the game. I don't even have to pull the cop CC into it or his repeated demands for me to "Get Lynched", although those are OMGUS.

Scum- See second townie.

[Devestation]

Continuing the charade is just irritating every time I log into the site and keeping me from thinking clearly.

Vote: Devestation

I know when I'm beaten, and that was a good week or two ago. All I want to know is how you turn something as small as an unvote at the end of an RVS into a lynch...

[Devestation]

Sorry, but I just can't stand being called a liar with no evidence to say I'm lying other than the reader not believing the previous post, especially when it chains like it did in this game. Its not a logic I can fight whether I am innocent or guilty.

[Devestation]

I do not believe the issue is a lack of thick skin, otherwise I would have exploded in anger by now. The issue is that I just don't get how anyone can immediately write off what I say is scummy. Am I missing something here, or am I seriously that predictable and transparent?

[Devestation]

L-1 if I count correctly.

unvote

With the full intent to revote as soon as RBT, ryan, and others have chimed in.

^I did see this. It was not about to affect my decision.

[Devestation]

*shoots himself to get it over with*

[Devestation]

I failed miserably with my own defence and scum lookings from day one /me slaps himself

RBT had posted her plans in our quick topic that we were communicating with, I was wondering how she was going to force the masons to distrust each other... Good game anyway