Mini 816: Revenge of the Monkey(GAME OVER!)

[Sajin]

No bah post allowed? /bah.

/confirm

[Sajin]

Vote: Sajin

for Battousai saving your butt in Mini 774.

Saving me? Lol. I had you pegged as the Witch/Serial Killer for 3 days and you know it.

vote: Regfan

for not saving me night 1.

[Sajin]

I only voted because everyone else did. I didn't know we were still actually waiting on people >_>

If this doesn't start before the 29th I won't be able to play.

This game is a day start. The game has officially begun.

[Sajin]

What do you mean "doesn't excuse charter"? What is wrong with piling on the largest bandwagon?

Um....wow.

If you do not have a reason for it, its usually considered a tell.

Albany Park?

unvote

btw.

You cant seriously expect to pull off a bandwagon lynch in the RVS...

Unvote so we don't have any accidents

@Devestation- I find your unvote and then post of a reason much later an attempt to not look scummy.

unvote; vote: Devestation

[Sajin]

Rolling pressure based bandwagons are the tools of scum to determine what town thinks of each other and to out roles.

A well reasoned bandwagon that has questionable deeds committed by the wagonee is the tool of the town.



I do not find SC scummy for simply having that opinion nor do I find charter scummy for having the opposite opinions. I think its a null tell from a meta standpoint. I found Devestation's case to be the best one so far and will retain my vote there.

[Sajin]

SC is actively scum hunting. While using a theory argument is a weak argument I do not see it as scummy.

Devestation has not actively scum hunted and only posts are defensive imo. I think its a far better suspect to pursue.

Dramonic, can you tell me 2 people you think are town and why?

[Sajin]

How is this game 7 pages in and only on day 1?

Thats how many games go. Care to place an opinion on anyone?

[Sajin]

I think it's dumb to lynch an uncountered cop day one. Either everyone claims cop or not cop and we can lynch him if someone counters, or no one says anything on it and we lynch someone else and deal with Devestation on a later day if he's still around.

If we massclaim cop/not cop on Day 1, we get a counterclaim, and the faker gets lynched, the chances are very high that the real cop will get either killed on Night 1 or constantly roleblocked to prevent the receipt of innocent/guilty results on other players. You're clearly not thinking ahead.

Unvote: Devestation
Vote: charter

( at airport on my phone, apologies for any bad typefonts)

this is an anti deadline stance considering we have 48 hours.

I may be a cop, I may not be.

Charter looks incredibly scummy if devestation is scum. Could still be scum otherwise.

We should still vote devestation imo. Play is scummy.

[Sajin]

With the deadline extension we may be able to get a different lynch. I am not convinced that we should however.

@Charlatan I would love to know what your win condition is. Please post it now as I would consider mine different from Devs claimed one.


@Dramonic- Why would you want to know if I really am a cop and want me to clarify that statement unless you were scum?

[Sajin]

@dramonic, what is your win condition (and I would like this answered by him before anyone responds to this subject).

[Sajin]

My win condition matches chartalan's.

vote Charter

This should be L-1. Claim please.

[Sajin]

Ugh, drawing blood out of a stone.

What

about

their votes bother you? Just saying that X and Y's votes bother me does not cut it. Please elaborate.

Perhaps you should ask better questions to get the answers you want instead of blaming me. For the third time, I get suspicious when a wagon that had been strong all day crumbles close to deadline. The players who have not expressed a strong opinion about charter that latched on at the end are the most suspicious. I realize that ryan was not around and his vote was based on his supposed first read-through, but both his and sajin's votes are something to look at tomorrow.

Are you implying that you know charter is town? Thats how I read this. Your not even considering the possibility that charter is scum in these statements. Would you really rather lynch the uncced cop?

[Sajin]

Yep, Dev needs to claim result.

In the meantime is vote reduction by a politician permanent or day by day?

[Sajin]

2 people you think are town and 2 people you think are scum devestation please. Thanks.

[Sajin]

I still want an answer to my question devestation. Thanks.

[Sajin]

Town- Charlatan- I found him innocent with my super special cop powers.

Town- Get back to you on this, I make it no secret that it takes me some time to make a read on anyone, leaving me sitting here for hours at a time.

Scum- Konowa- Apparently, everything I say is scummy. EVERYTHING! Its why I don't like saying anything, because I get sick and tired of having to deal with backlash that simply snowballs into something that is totally off-track of the game. I don't even have to pull the cop CC into it or his repeated demands for me to "Get Lynched", although those are OMGUS.

Scum- See second townie.

This screams scum. Your not helping.

vote Devestation

Its alright you have enough ties with dramonic to be of help tomorrow. Nice try leaving no more than you had to though.

[Sajin]

I very much doubt Konowa's investigation could have affected Dev's behaviour, but if you think so whatever :3

Also, I can't believe you're all calling me scummy for thinking "I may be cop, I may be not" is a weird phrase and rubs me the wrong way.

And Ryan, what was that last sentence supposed to mean?

Thats not why I think your scum with devestation. That was someone elses case.

[Sajin]

unvote

dramonic is likely scum with devstation due to voting patterns.

However, konowa, you should state the innocent. Please.

[Sajin]

I think he is likely telling the truth about charlatan. He does not trust himself to not slip up by actually calling a scumpartner town imo.

[Sajin]

I am still waiting for konowa......

[Sajin]

Thats fine and made sense.

vote Devestation

[Sajin]

Waiting on his flip.......

[Sajin]

vote dramonic

Vote history.

[Sajin]

Your vote history is that you never once voted Devestation before the CC by the cop.

You also voted with him for most of the day. The fact that you voted him once he was CCed does not exclude from being scum, but rather is more likely because you realized he was going down no matter what you did.

[Sajin]

I have shown a reason I believe you to likely be scum with devestation.

Since you have not shown a reason for me being scum, I will now add the OMGUS vote to your case.

[Sajin]

What words?

[Sajin]

How is this scummy over your own vote history?

[Sajin]

/request prod/replacement Pim.

RBT, ryan: whats your opinions on dramonic?

[Sajin]

This is rather strange. I am a town roleblocker and I targetted you night 1 Konowa, since I was unsure about you, yet you still got a read. Wouldn't 2 roleblockers in a single game be a bit much?

I blocked Sajin N2, btw.

Then the reason you are voting me makes no sense. You should of been pushing for konowa's lynch if this was true.

[Sajin]

I am a town mason.

My mason partner is Sajin. However, his alignment is NOT confirmed.

Wanted to put it out there before LYLO, worst case scenario.

Confirmed, I am a mason. Ryan's alignment is unconfirmed (which I totally don't understand why he is a mason, it should be neighbor, meh)

I am not sure what good claiming now did, but sure. Its better than me dieing tonight and have ryan claim town mason and skate free if he is scum. But I have a town read on ryan based on our QT.

[Sajin]

Well, clearly that would make a mafia RB. I'm not completely convinced dra is faking yet.

Dramonic: Who'd you target N1?

Clearly either konowa or dramonic have lied to us. Since scum have already CCed konowa, I am more inclined to believe him over dramonic because if konowa and dramonic were scum partners that was an absolutely fail bus.

Thanks for defending your scum partner though.

[Sajin]

Amen, he made a very bad counter event claim.

[Sajin]

This is rather strange. I am a town roleblocker and I targetted you night 1 Konowa, since I was unsure about you, yet you still got a read. Wouldn't 2 roleblockers in a single game be a bit much?

I blocked Sajin N2, btw.

Then the reason you are voting me makes no sense. You should of been pushing for konowa's lynch if this was true.

also

vote: Konowa

You are lying, sir.

Figures, you would respond to it after I called you out on it.

Regardless if you actually were town you should be happy to be lynched knowing that you can call out konowa as a liar for the next day from the grave. 1 for 1s are good for us.

As it stands its far more likely your the mafia roleblocker.

[Sajin]

I believe the 1 and 1 dramonic. I have no problems with that. Its just, your the scum.

[Sajin]

L-2 I think. 8 people, 5 to vote.

I would like to hear from Pim or get a replacement before we go into night though.

[Sajin]

I like the "die scum die" comment for an extra distancing attempt. Nice touch.

[Sajin]

I like the "die scum die" comment for an extra distancing attempt. Nice touch.

Gotta keep trying to tie me down to him? That way when your scumbuddy dies, you can push me tomorrow?

Why do you think I am scum? Because I suspect you?

We may yet get profitable discussion out of this yet.

[Sajin]

Results Konowa?

[Sajin]

Thank you.

vote: RBT

[Sajin]

Why did the scum not kill me? I am interested in the post game of this.

[Sajin]

And for the record, were you roleblocked N1?

[Sajin]

Oh. Fair enough.

[Sajin]

Says he did. Unless something REALLY weird is going on (read busdriver) this should be it.

[Sajin]

What happened to your suspicions of me RBT?

[Sajin]

unvote

[Sajin]

No. That last post is somewhat incriminating imo if RBT is indeed innocent.

[Sajin]

Can you clarify your results?

[Sajin]

Here are my thoughts:

Konowa: town-CCed by mafia...twice.
RBT- Town-Investigated innocent??
Sajin- Town-vote history
Ryan- Unlikely scum, has good voting history and case.
Pim/replacee- unlikely scum
My Milked Eek- low commentary on both scum lynches. Suddenly pipes up when the cop claims a guilty up on someone other than him. Bad vote history.

vote My Milked Eek

[Sajin]

No. That last post is somewhat incriminating imo if RBT is indeed innocent.

I don't see how it would be. That post was made when I thought rbt flipped guilty.

I think its obvious. Setting up a ML.

Who is scum then? Make me a case where I should not be voting you.

[Sajin]

Make me a case then. Who is scum if not you?

[Sajin]

RBT- Who is scum?

[Sajin]

Not this one. The post was trying to get a future ML accomplished- as in not todays.

Still waiting on who you think is scum though.

[Sajin]

Sure its just been 20 minutes. But your posting. Why fence sit?

[Sajin]

Questions answered with questions. I love it.

[Sajin]

You have not made a case. You have not stated who you think is more likely scum except blanket listing everyone with no reasons. 2 unanswered questions sir (granted one was a demand not a question, still)

My reason for Pim to be unlikely scum is that a nightkill was made without him checking in. Possible? sure. Likely? not very.


Feel free to point out where you think I was apparently twisting. I think you were aiming for a future ML. Thats not twisting, thats me getting a read. Can you explain the point of that post if its intent was to not get a future ML?


I have reasons for you being on bottom of my town list.

[Sajin]

"Unable to form an opinion" is still "fence sitting"

One more question for you: Can you explain your vote history or lack there of?

[Sajin]

Actually. That 397 looks pretty good for eek.

unvote

After rereading and fencing words with eek I don't suspect him as much. My new list:

Sajin
Konowa-town CCed a ton of times
Eek- good post on scum, doubt he would call out 2 scumbuddies in one post like that.
Ryan- town- decent arguements.
Pim- Seeking Replacement for so long semi scummy.
RBT- I think RBT could be a godfather play is still scummy and so are connections.

vote: RBT

[Sajin]

You have not made a case. You have not stated who you think is more likely scum except blanket listing everyone with no reasons. 2 unanswered questions sir (granted one was a demand not a question, still)

That's one request in its entirety. I said "after ani posted" as I cannot get how I could form an opinion on someone who hasn't posted yet.

This is where I got the could not form an opinion line from. Regardless, I hope my theory in the last post made sense.

[Sajin]

@RBT- Who is scum and why?

[Sajin]

I would like to know eek, ryan and especially konowas opinion about my theory on RBT.

[Sajin]

And yet you were holding up your whole list of scum because of one person's lurkiness. That is still fence sitting.

[Sajin]

Well if you consider the possibility (rather the likelyhood) of RBT being a godfather there is 5 technically. 4 after we each eliminate ourselves. So factoring post history I would put RBT and Pim/animorpherv at the bottom of the list.

I would like to hear konowas comments on the matter.

[Sajin]

And here I thought that slot had a post restriction to never post. Sheesh

[Sajin]

Scum is either ryan or Sajin.

Why would you not consider the possibility of a godfather?

[Sajin]

By godfather I just meant investigation immune. I am not sure why immunity to nightkills was brought up.

[Sajin]

Disclaimer- not alluding to any role I may or may not have.

Bad assumption on both counts in a generic sense.

[Sajin]

Well I am known for using mod flavor to break games. (See Majora's Mask large theme, and to a lesser degree WoT large theme, I know you read some of that konowa)

StrangerCoug had a feeling his time was coming. He had been a vocal voice for the town, and as such knew he was a target. This night, his worst fears were about to come true. A mafia agent found the location of his house, and asked for him to come out. As a matter of honor, StrangerCoug did not resist. He did not get a chance to look at the face of his assasin, as he pulled the trigger and shot him dead. As the town mourned the loss of another townie, they prepared for the task of lynching their third straight mafioso.

StrangerCoug, a

vanilla townie

, was killed night 3.

It is now Day 4. With 6 alive, it requires 4 to lynch. The deadline is August 29th at 12 PM GST.

"Town prepared for the task of lynching their third straight mafioso"


2 days before I FOSed dramonic before devestation was lynched. Then yesterday we lynched dramonic and I fosed RBT before the flip. All signs pointed to the fact that we would of lynched RBT today except for the investigation change. This change happened right after RBT posted:

How do you explain getting a guilty on a vanilla Konowa?

RBT was upset that a guilty was acquired. Assuming a complaint to the mod, that was why the investigation was changed. She questioned konowa, not the existence of any other role (like a framer) most likely figuring konowa was lying about his true target for added pressure (and had an innocent elsewhere).

2 posts later the mod says revised investigations have been sent out. Without the investigation, RBT seems the scummiest of us all. Vote/fos/accusation pattern fits all the scum before.


So I would perfer a lynch on RBT.


The other possible suspect is ryan. But my case on that is much weaker. Its mostly WIFOM relating to nightkills and why they were possibly chosen. But he typed up great arguments on devestation day 1. I still have a town read on him.



Oh and we should not forget the claimed survivor. With 6 up, if we ML that leaves (likely) 4 tomorrow where he forces nl so the scum does not kill him. Thats if he is not the scum himself.

[Sajin]

So, my list currently looks like this:

Sajin
Konowa
Eek
Ryan
RBT
Animorpherv



Animorpherv is lower than RBT because of the survivor claim.

[Sajin]

No I believe he is likely a survivor. Which is scum. He could possibly be Mafia/scum but that is much more unlikely. Either way, if we ML today we can easily lose tomorrow because of him. Therefore I support a animorphv lynch because of that. How am I trying to discredit him exactly?


So were my posts before today "mudslinging"? How can you be sure there is no grandfather?

[Sajin]

Also, since we have 6 people, I support a no lynch for today for the extra cop investigation without the chance of lynching a doctor. But I want everyones opinions of everyone first.

[Sajin]

How can you be sure there is no grandfather?

Where did I say that?

Alright fine. You need to look at this from my viewpoint. I think there could be a godfather that was investigated. How would I go about showing it?

[Sajin]

How so?

[Sajin]

Works for me.

vote: no lynch

[Sajin]

1- I was mad agitated because he was eliminating our chances of being power roles publicly and thus making the scum nightkills more efficient. Stupid in my opinion.

2- I was trying to see if he had a scum PM. This was early game/pregame.

3- This was in response to dramonic attacking me.

4- I said this during one night in case I was killed.

5- Why would I publicly ignore you?


It should be noted that ryan hardly ever used our QT at night. Hardly posted anything.

[Sajin]

And you have zero comments about my theory? Why not?

[Sajin]

I agree. Probably no godfather.

But I suggest lynching arimorpherv first. It removes scums ability to win with one ML today and covers the fact that he could be scum with a survivor claim.


Before you vote me, read me in iso as if I were scum. Do you think I voted the way I did because of that?

[Sajin]

Also- There is only one person who knew for sure there was no doctor and that is eek being the only unclaimed. Mafia has been fighting our cop as if there was a doctor every night. Except last night.

[Sajin]

Did I say I wanted you to claim vanilla? No.

I am saying that mafia had been acting all game like there was a doctor. Yet they did not last night. Your the only one who knew there was no doctor.

Why would you assume so much about the nightkill?

[Sajin]

Well town is going to lose this and I completely blame the mod on the investigation error.

Regardless the town play is to lynch claimed scum today.

vote amimorpherv1

[Sajin]

Well town is going to lose this and I completely blame the mod on the investigation error.

Explain this?

I'm not sure if I'm following.

If I am lynched and there is scum other than the survivor they joint for victory. Therefore assuming you have any inkling that the survivor claim could be the last mafia member, you should be voting him first. If you need to vote me the following day, fine. But your unwillingness to vote the neutral screams scum to me.

[Sajin]

Because if your scum, then you can joint with the survivor tomorrow. The survivor votes nl then you vote nl.

[Sajin]

@eek- Thats fine but I must wonder-What is your motivation for doing so? To make sure he votes your way tomorrow?

RBT- Please provide observations on all. Thanks.

[Sajin]

Why did the scum not kill me? I am interested in the post game of this.

You'll know post-game :3

Go mafia

What really sucks is that even though I was right on target the first 2 nights, I think I was left alive because I was neighbors with ryan.

Eek I would like you to read the above quotations and comment on them. Ryan as well. Thank you.

[Sajin]

So why is it me over him then?

Do you think its me because I fingered you at several points?

[Sajin]

Why would you say this unless you were the one scum?

[Sajin]

Alright but you better follow through if you are a survivor.

But the I don't lie comment is stupid in a game of mafia.

[Sajin]

Personally I love how both of you think the investigated innocents opinion is irrelevent.

[Sajin]

Personally I love how your ignoring my vote history and voting me based purely on the fact I was communicating with my neighbor when he was not as well as because I suspected you.

You don't like the fact that I am considering all the aspects here. Nor that I was aggressive to you. Also, I doubt you have read any meta on me as town or scum. RBT has.

And yes you if your town, should trust the opinion of the investigated innocent over a neutral survivor or neighbor. Yes. I have handed you 2 scum on a silver platter. The 3rd lies within Ryan and animopherv.

[Sajin]

It could but I doubt it.

You ignoring facts is reading hardheaded townie. Take the read or leave it.

[Sajin]

Because of power level reasons. If there is no doctor I doubt they have a godfather. Granted that can get WIFOMY. I also doubt that we have a survivor by the same token.

[Sajin]

That was when I thought there could still be a doctor around.

Fair enough?

[Sajin]

Nothing except you know your not being convinced down the wrong path by them. At worst they picked wrong. But at least you know they are uninformed rather that informed.

[Sajin]

How about you unvote at least if you really are waiting to hear an opinion. Feel free to ratchet it back up later.

I do not like being at L-1 with a possible scum able to hammer me from the blue.

[Sajin]

I used it as a way to challenge you. Your listening to the words of someone you suspect (ryan) over the innocent. Since I know your wrong about me, why would I NOT want to convince you otherwise?

[Sajin]

So your saying I bussed both my scum partners so I could get to 5 man with a confirmed innocent? Do the math on those odds and tell me if its an improvement over taking my chances another way.

[Sajin]

Obvious when eek? After konowa CCed? sure.

I voted dev way before that.

[Sajin]

Really.

Alright RBT. I want to hear your reads.

[Sajin]

I am considering godfather Wifom. Dammit.

[Sajin]

Well. I agree ryan. I do not think your scum.

RBT- What is the town win condition?

[Sajin]

I would like RBT to answer those questions. Paging RBT to the thread.

[Sajin]

RBT- can you flesh out a case and answer the questions directed at you?

[Sajin]

Regardless deadline is soon so, I will be placing a vote soon.

Honestly we do not have enough power in our town to have a godfather. 4 scum out of 12 with a roleblocker and we had a politician, a cop and unconfirmed neighbors. So there is either a mafia mason or a godfather and this ticks me off because this setup is scum sided. We had 1 ML so far. RBT responded scummily to the possibility of their being a godfather (WIFOM), if I was a vanilla investigated like that in that situation I would of hardcore denied that.

This said I dislike Ryans defensiveness about the nightkill (I would not have killed eek, he was the most like me). I also very much dislike what we talked about in our neighbor QT.

Whatever.

vote: RBT

Less arguments. Bad voting history. Not answering a simple question. Even a investigated townie could do better than that and I think she is playing similarly to Mushroom Kingdom Mafia.

So Ryan, did I lose?

[Sajin]

I am town. If you are too. Victory.

[Sajin]

I was going back and forth about ryan. Mostly cause of the claiming in the thread. That bothered me. But I could not seem too bothered as that would be scummy. Ugh.

GG all.