Mini 816: Revenge of the Monkey(GAME OVER!)

[Konowa]

/confim

[Konowa]

Vote: Scott Brosius

for a .935 fielding average and 22 errors in 2001.

At least we know Big Bad Jose will not have to check him out for steroids.

However....

Vote: Scott Brosius

for being a Yankee.

[Konowa]

Albany Park?

unvote

btw.

Any reasoning?

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@Stranger- Is there anything wrong with bandwagons?

[Konowa]

I am going to let someone else tackle that as my brain is now officially burnt trying to understand what it means.

*goes off to find a shot glass*

[Konowa]

Scum like to bandwagon when they can get away with it, for starters. We want to lynch someone because that person is most likely scum, not merely because we feel like it.

Difference is playstyle then. I agree with everything charter has said regarding bandwagons that form in the RVS. I too am a fan of RVS wagons. The wagon by itself is not scum-hunting, however it causes reactions, which leads to discussion, which leads to scum-hunting.

I am fairly confident charter is town at this point.

69 is horribly horribly scummy just due to the fact of jester speculation.

FOS Devestation

@Dev- How is leaving your random vote parked until you find someone you actually believe to be scum scummy?

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You know what this says? "Devastion was scummy, so I voted for Scott." That's not helping you.

Again, this says, "Devastion was scummy, so I voted for Scott."

You are totally misrepping what happened. Charter's first post was /confirm. His second post was voting Scott. It was -after- this that Devestation starting flailing around and charter started to hone in on Devestation.

unvote;

vote Snake

[Konowa]

Here, have another vote!

Vote Scott Brosius

Devestation posted in between that, trying to deflate the wagon on Scott.

You cant seriously expect to pull off a bandwagon lynch in the RVS...

Unvote so we don't have any accidents

He then calls Devestation out on trying to deflate Scott's wagon, tying them together for that reason.

I don't see any reason to unvote.

Could it really be this easy? Scott and Devestation being scum together?

You neglect to take into fact Devestation's post between charter's. He voted Scott first

before

Devestation's flailing came into play. charter ties the two together after Devestation's post for that reason. So yes, you are misrepping what happened and now you are caught and trying to get yourself out of it.

[Konowa]

That's what doesn't work. That would be like me saying you and charter are scum because he did something scummy and you're defending him.

So trying to deflate a random stage wagon for no reason is not scummy to you? It does work that way. Also it is logical, while wrong in this case, for you to possibly think that.

I'm not neglecting anything. The point, one way or another, is that he left his vote on Scott even after Dev tried to get people off his wagon. I'm aware of the order: Charter voted Scott in RVS and then Dev defended him. The point is that even after Dev made the post, charter kept his vote on Scott while also saying he didn't see any reason to unvote.

Why should he have to move his vote if he thought both were scum? In post 81 you even bold this while quoting charter.

You are either purposefully neglecting things, or trying to misrep what happened. Either way I think you are scum.

[Konowa]

You say that as if you know that they were actually trying to lynch Scott. Why?

I never said that they were trying to lynch Scott. I said you were trying to deflate a random wagon on Scott.

I am pretty sure Devestation is scum at this point. This is getting quite easy.

Purely theoretical, Devestation why do you think No Lynches are bad?

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My head is really starting to hurt reading some of the posts in this game.

@dramonic - What was the point of your last post?

[Konowa]

Going by your reasoning, you have not "explained" your random vote.

Are you going to confirm your random vote and step it up to a serious vote? If so, why?

[Konowa]

Simulpost ftl.

96 was addressed at dramonic

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Snake you got to work on your quoting. Just saying.

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Will address everything else tomorrow. One too many vodka-redbulls tonight.

[Konowa]

@Mod - Votecount is not correct. Snake is currently voting charter.

Have not done any thinking or going over yet. First day off in about nine so I am being lazy right now. Will probably get around to this later today.

[Konowa]

charter seems to advocate the idea that all bandwagons are pro-town, which is not true. That's been the basis of my attack against him. Yes, I'm primarily focusing on charter, but I'm not oblivious to the Devestation case, nor am I fond of Konowa at this point.

That is a very open-ended, vague statement. What exactly are you not fond of at this point?

Also, remind me why you are voting charter again, because right now it seems that you voting him for purely theoretical reasons.

[Konowa]

My initial reasoning was actually a cheap bandwagon vote on Scott Brosius, but when charter went out of his way to voice an anti-town view on bandwagon, I shifted my attack to address that.

So you are now attacking him because of his view on bandwagons? Yes or no.

[Konowa]

So this is an attack purely based on theoretical differences? Glad we got that out of the way.

unvote;

vote StrangerCoug

While charter's view on bandwagoning is a bit extreme, I believe and agree that the purpose behind it is pro-town in nature. For you be attacking him this hard over theory is very scummy.

I disagree with you when you said that Devestation is making this game easy, and I also have a gut feeling you're connected to charter.

So you do not believe Devestation to be scum at this point?

[Konowa]

@Sajin - I know you have said that you do not find either charter nor Stranger scummy for having separate opinions, but what do you think of Stranger attacking charter over an apparent theory disagreement?

Also, restate why you think Devestation is the best person to be voting right now.

[Konowa]

Dramonic:

Please point out where I am 'reformulating' what charter is saying.

Instead of being vague, why do you find Devestation neutral, slightly townish?

[Konowa]

I had a feeling that that is what you were referencing. How is objectively stating what happened 'reformulating' anything?

Let me see if I understand this. You are giving Devestation town points because he agrees with your theory on bandwagons and that he tried to prevent a random stage wagon on Scott?

[Konowa]

I take that as two different things. By reformulating, I take it to mean that you think I am changing the wording and adding my subjective view. That is not what happened at all. I restated objectively what occurred because I believed that Snake mis-repped what happened.

That "could have occurred". We do not know what would or would not have happened. However, we are delving back into theory again. Random stage wagons are bound to happen and try to deflate one without letting it garner any attention or let anyone respond to it is scummy.

[Konowa]

Where do I mention momentum? That is not what I am talking about at all. Four votes in random stage is hardly worth getting worked up about.

Let me rephrase.

Devestation called for people to unvote, before anyone could give an opinion and/or take stance on this wagon. That is what I find scummy.

[Konowa]

@Mod - Mass prods and/or replace please.

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I see, I don't consider that particularly scummy though.

But it makes you give Devestation town points ?

[Konowa]

*headdesk*

[Konowa]

@Devestation: Can you point out where you have been scum-hunting this game? From what I can read you have only been commenting on what has been happening around you. Who do you think is scum?

Also if calling to unvote was

your

stance, why do you say in your iso 5 that you were talking to the bandwagoners?

[Konowa]

unvote;

vote Devestation

Posting from iPhone while on Metro heading home from D.C. I will post more when I get home.

[Konowa]

@Devestation - So the biggest scumtell to you so far is an opinion on theory? Also, as SC has said, if you think it is a scumtell why are you giving him scum points for pursuing charter?

Regarding jesters, they, in my opinion, have no place in normal games and should only be in bastard/open setups. So yes, bringing up jesters is scummy as it introduces a whole different type of WIFOM to the game.

@Dramonic - What is your opinion on Devestation? I have asked you this before, I am asking you again.

[Konowa]

Who on his [Devestation] wagon besides charter do you think to be scum? Scum-driven implies more than one, to me at least.

[Konowa]

I simply don't consider dramonic scummy enough to connect him to Devestation. I already implied that Scott Brosius might Devestation's buddy because the latter panicked over the number of votes the former had, but I've never put much stock in it. The four people I'm most suspicious of in decreasing order are Devestation, you, Konowa (whom I suspect to be connected to you), and dramonic.

Implications and vague statements are scummy. Say what you mean. Town should not have to infer what you say.

[Konowa]

I am not buying the claim. I am happy with his lynch.

Also D1 cop/not cop proposition is extremely scummy.

[Konowa]

I am not going to go into great detail, but if Devestation is not the cop I see no reason to out the real cop. I already said that I do not buy the claim and am happy with his lynch. This is all I am going to say on the matter until he responds to your questions.

[Konowa]

Jeez, look who just surfaced >_>

Get lynched. Please.

More votes on Devestation people.

[Konowa]

The claim came out very forced and awkward. Dramonic and charlatan practically begged you to claim and it still took you forever possibly stalling to figure out what to do. With the bolded statement above, I'm not buying this claim at all.

Can you point out this begging by dramonic? I hardly equate dramonic one time saying that Devestation should claim as begging.

[Konowa]

Mod - Status on AdamNW?

[Konowa]

So the new deadline will be April 30th.

Sweet Mary mother of Jesus!

Auto-assuming July 30th.

[Konowa]

I'd prefer either charter or Devestation as they're the two scummiest in my mind.

I endorse the above product and/or service. Ever since his [charter] cop/no cop proposition, he has drastically fallen off my town list.

[Konowa]

@charter - If you think that, why are you working so furiously to not vote Devestation? dramonic, I am pretty sure, only has your vote on him.

[Konowa]

Meaning, why vote dramonic over charlatan? Neither of them had any votes previous of yours. Also, if you believe that Devestation to be scum, why not vote him as he is the leading bandwagon?

[Konowa]

Though I find both charter and Devestation scummy, I still believe Devestation to be the better play.

[Konowa]

@Scott - What votes in particular are bothering you?

Holding off on switching my vote, because I still think that Devestation is the better lynch today.

[Konowa]

Ugh, drawing blood out of a stone.

What

about

their votes bother you? Just saying that X and Y's votes bother me does not cut it. Please elaborate.

[Konowa]

@Mod - charlatan is voting charter as of 287.

[Konowa]

I am loving the refusal to bus.

I am holding off on hammer because I want to hear Scott's answer.

[Konowa]

Now you are just flailing, charter.

I will hammer after Scott responds to my question. Unless of course people want to help run up Devestation.

[Konowa]

I have been saying you are scummy since your cop/not cop proposition. This is not all of a sudden. Add that to the fact that you are refusing to bus your buddy Devestation and viola, two scum down.

[Konowa]

I still stand by my statement that Devestation is a much better lynch. However, since no one wants to take me up on it, I will concede to having charter lynched who is equally as scummy.

unvote;

vote charter

[Konowa]

What makes me a better lynch than Charter, even though he is just as scummy as I am? (Answer tomorrow I don't expect one now)

Oh do not worry there Mr. Scum, I will explain everything if I live through the night. If I do not live through the night, then we will see what happens to you then

[Konowa]

vote Devestation

Okay, since no one seemed to take the huge clue with me basically begging everyone to lynch Devestation let me help out. I am the cop, he is lying scum. I will not say who I investigated, only that I got an innocent. Before anyone jumps down my throat about why I did not counter, I will explain. I knew instantly, obviously, that Devestation was scum. I was trying to see if I could catch any one else with me, again, saying we should lynch Devestation almost any post. Knowing that Devestation was scum, I did believe that charter's efforts in trying to not vote him looked like an attempt not to bus.

Saying all that, more Devestation votes please.

[Konowa]

Will probably be busy all day tomorrow and Sunday. Calling

V/LA

for this weekend just as caution.

[Konowa]

I am fairly sure, about 75%, that the vote reduction is only day to day.

What I am not sure of is, that since he died does the bought vote still count.

[Konowa]

I am fairly sure, about 75%, that the vote reduction is only day to day.

What I am not sure of is, that since he died

does the bought vote still count

did he still buy a vote.

[Konowa]

stuff

How was I laying low? Seriously? I was practically calling for your head.

Your lack of vote on me nails you as scum. Get lynched.

[Konowa]

2 people you think are town and 2 people you think are scum devestation please. Thanks.

Wait. Who thinks he is town? Point this out for me.

[Konowa]

I see no reason to inform the mafia who is confirmed town.

[Konowa]

Want to clarify what you mean by that, dramonic?

[Konowa]

Before I answer your questions, what exactly are you accusing me of?

[Konowa]

Double post, sorry.

I want you to be clear what you are accusing me of. After you answer that I will show you how exactly what I am doing is pro-town.

[Konowa]

I would like for you to say what you think. If it differs from the reason why I am doing it I will let you know.

[Konowa]

Exactly.

I will try and not get shot in the meantime.

Back to lynching Devestation.

[Konowa]

I am getting a good laugh out of all of this.

Devestation, please explain how my actions are OMGUS.

[Konowa]

Also, in case you missed it.

Why did you investigate charlatan last night?

[Konowa]

L-1 if I count correctly.

unvote

With the full intent to revote as soon as RBT, ryan, and others have chimed in.

[Konowa]

I am going to put this issue to rest.

Confirmed town is scum's worst nightmare. The more confirmed town there is, the smaller the unknown pool becomes, thus raising scum's chances of being caught. I am not saying who I investigated because it would be a waste of a investigation. I am assuming that there is a doc *crosses fingers* The doc cannot protect both of us and the outted townie would more than likely die. Thus leaving us back with only myself. Now however, if I receive another innocent investigation tomorrow I will provide both names thus providing three town players with the scum only having the ability to knock one of us off.

RBT's post bothers me. One, there is no way Devestation is the cop. Two, if Devestation flips vanilla I see no reason why I should be vigged or lynched. Vanilla has no reason whatsoever to claim power roles.

I am calling for someone to unvote until Sajin provides why he believes dramonic is scum. There is still some information we can get before we hammer.

[Konowa]

Guess everyone is done commenting and waiting on me now.

vote Devestation

Sigh. I investigated Scott last night. I really do not feel like going into detail right now. If you want to know why I chose him and my subsequent play I will explain later. Devestation should be at L-1 now, someone hammer.

[Konowa]

Holding thoughts to myself.

Someone hammer Devestation.

[Konowa]

I thought Sajin's vote lynched him. It looks like Scott bought dramonic's vote?

[Konowa]

Post 373 has dramonic voting Devestation. He does not unvote.
Post 410 has Devestation voting himself. He does not unvote.

dramonic is not listed in the vote count. Unless Monkey missed the vote again.

@Mod - Is vote count in post 435 correct?

[Konowa]

dramonic, top two scum please.

[Konowa]

Konowa: Err... Well, some of your posts are a bit odd, but you are uncountered cop.

However if you keep investigating people who die

I'll start doubting the existence of an actual cop in this game. (I have played a game in which there was no cop)

Explain the bolded, please.

[Konowa]

It just refer to the fact that you kept your investigation for most of the day just to reveal that he was actually already dead.

Aye. So?

vote dramonic

Mostly for your defense of Devestation d1.

[Konowa]

Oh and to throw it out there, there is a mafia role-blocker.

Continue.

[Konowa]

I investigated Scott N1. He died, flipped town. Thus, I got an innocent result.

I investigated RBT N2. I received nothing.

There is a mafia-roleblocker.

Lynch please.

[Konowa]

Why did you not call me out on it yesterday then?

Read post 470 again.

[Konowa]

The fact that you did not call me out D2 makes

zero

sense. If you really were a town role-blocker you should have immediately said something. The fact that you waited till just now to mention it looks more like you are just trying to save your scummy self.

Also, if you were a town role-blocker and the person you blocked N1 claimed they still received a result, why in the hell would you block someone else N2. Again, it makes

zero

sense.

Lynch please.

[Konowa]

vote RBT

[Konowa]

Oh.

I guess I should say that I received a guilty on RBT.

[Konowa]

I do not know if I was role-blocked or not. I investigated Scott and by natural resolution kills occur before investigations.

[Konowa]

unvote;

Yeah, just logged in and was about to say mod correction.

Will post some thoughts in a few.

[Konowa]

Still do not have thoughts.

Clarifying results.

N1 - Investigated Scott - No result due to death
N2 - Investigated RBT - No result most likely due to role-block
N3 - Investigated RBT - Innocent.

[Konowa]

@Mod - If the Pim player slot has a night action, due to no replacement found would it be a randomized action or no action?

[Konowa]

Right, so.

Scum is in ryan, Sajin, Eek.

Still have not gotten thoughts formulated just yet. Will have something up before sleep hopefully.

[Konowa]

Scum is either ryan or Sajin.

[Konowa]

Regarding ani's claim: As long as he makes it to endgame, he fulfills his win condition. Be it with town or mafia.

Adding RBT as a possible godfather this is how I think we should go about this. Might I mention I loathe godfather wifom discussion.

1) Lynch RBT.
2) RBT flips scum, we win. RBT flips town, I will investigate one of ryan or Sajin.
3) I get a guilty we lynch and win. I get an innocent we lynch the other.

[Konowa]

I am assuming that there is a doctor. I am also assuming that you [ryan] nor Sajin is the doctor.

[Konowa]

Okay. This is why godfather wifom hurts my head. Give me a few to get some thoughts together.

[Konowa]

I would be willing to go ahead with a no-lynch.

[Konowa]

vote no lynch

[Konowa]

Phew. Good game all. Sorry about that charter, I was trying to make it as obvious as possible without claiming.