Mafia 96 - Murder in Emerald City (Game Over!)

[fallen angel]

Hi Mastin! *Energetic wave* Hmmmm....

Vote Johnny Rotten

because he used proper capitalization *shakes fist angrily*.

[fallen angel]

Meh. I think Khan is town, mostly because I have been told to claim miller ASAP to save cop investigations and shtuff like that. Then again, what do I know. It's one in the morning and I'm barely paying attention to this. Yay for The Simpsons DVDs.

[fallen angel]

Mastin acting weird is a null tell. He's Mastin, dammit!

[fallen angel]

Well, here are my thoughts so far- Mastin is being, well, Mastin. I'd be more worried if he acted sane. Roflcopter seems a bit scummy to me for tunneling Mastin with no real reason. Kise's voting Johnny seems really weird to me. Why him, out of all the other people who haven't posted? Out of the 21 still alive, haven't only about 7 or so posted?

Unvote, Vote Kise

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[fallen angel]

fallen angel is scum with mastin. you heard it here first.

Why? Reasons are nice, unless you just wanna tunnel-vision the whole game and hope you get lucky.

[fallen angel]

Faraday- Were you pls ning to provide reasons as to why you voted and consider me and hayker scummy?

ZazieR- I only know Mastin's meta, that's why I didn't have any other peoples meta in my argument. Will metagame later if time permits.

[fallen angel]

1) I'm not defending Johnny, I think it's stupid for Kise to vote someone for only posting once with little content when most of the posts were less scumhunting and more discussing Mastin and Khan. 2) I don't know rofl's meta, as I said, so I can't excuse him. As I said, I promise to metagame him.

@MafiaMann- How can you be sure that there is no SK/Vig who got lucky? The chances for a rival mafia to nail the mafia doctor are only slightly better then a vig/SK, (they have a few people who they know not to target) and so you can't know that mafia group one targeted the hypothetical second group unless you are a member of mafia group one.

[fallen angel]

To help me understand the first few pages... What's tunneling?

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... nel_vision

[fallen angel]

I will post soon, sorry for any delays.

[fallen angel]

Ok, scumlist time.

Mastin- Seems perfectly normal to me. Lots of scumhunting. Pro-town.
ZazieR- Mastin with shorter posts.
Roflcopter- Other then a ton of tunneling, not much suspicious about him. Pro-town.
ckool5000- Little content, comments more then really analyzes. What he does analyze isn't extremely helpful. Attempting to scumhunt. Neutral leaning towards town.
Faraday- Seems extremely pro-town. Looking forward to hearing from him.
Hayker- Backtracks and doesn't seem to be seriously scumhunting. Neutral at best.
Johnny Rotten- Waiting for his big post, but the case Kise put on him seems really weak. Not enough posts for a guess at alignment.
Kise- Weak vote on JR. Tried to put up a reason for it, and failed. Possible softclaim of a killing role, then backtracks. Neutral leaning towards scummy.
Khan- Early miller claim seems fine to me, I don't see why it was such a huge deal. He's obviously still a suspect, but an early miller claim seems like the right move, so that doesn't bother me. Other then that, seems to be scumhunting fairly actively. Pro-townish.
MM- Seems newbtown, but possible newbscum. I'm not great at differentiating between them. Didn't really analyze anything as much as bring up questions. Tunneled on Mastin's 2 factions claim. Very weak scumhunting. Neutral leaning at scummy.

Everyone else who has x<5 posts I didn't really analyze, I did JR more because of the case against him. To all unanalyzed players, OMG POST MOAR!! That is all.

[fallen angel]

Oh, forgot to

Unvote

. Rereading tomorrow.

[fallen angel]

Really none. Kise voted him for having no content and I voted Kise because I was already voting JR and thought Kise was trying to bandwagon him. Other then that, he's suggested policy lynching Mastin because he doesn't feel like reading. No real content from him.

[fallen angel]

Mastin- Just because he has been on for about a year doesn't make him experienced. As he said, he was only playing for 4 out of the 12 months. Also, his scumhunting/attempt at it seemed more like stuff in the Road to Rome.

[fallen angel]

Oh, to answer your question, probably ckool mostly because of IIoA. Kise's later reasoning was okay, it was the initial vote that made me suspicious. JR is a bit suspicious because he wants to policy lynch you for no good reason. The point of this game is to read and analyze, and wanting someone policy lynched because you don't want to read is stupid. It seems he must have some ulterior motive for trying to lynch you (you're a strong scumhunter, you suspect a scumbuddy, whatever the reason may be) and is trying to pass you off as anti-town for long posts. Policy lynches =/= pro-town, and should be used as little as possible.

[fallen angel]

Not trying to insult you at all.

[fallen angel]

It's mostly just the same type of posting as ckool, IIoA, that makes it seem newbish to me.

[fallen angel]

And I'm a bit suspicious of your appeal to emotion. I'm not saying newbie behavior should be excused, all I am saying is you seem more like newb-

town

then newb-

scum

. Are you condoning your own lynch?

To be honest newbie behavior shouldnt be excused.

Id rather lynch a newbie townie then be beaten by a newbie behaving scum.

Im a little bit suspicious of you partly writing me off as newbie in some aspects.

Also, why do you find it suspicious that I consider you newbish?

[fallen angel]

I wasn't saying that we shouldn't lynch you because you appear newbish, I was saying don't lynch you because you seem neutral.

[fallen angel]

No, but I said

leaning

towards scum. I don't find you extremely scummy, but you have been questioning more then you have been analyzing. That was my major reason for finding you scummy.

[fallen angel]

Hey, aren't I posting a bunch?... It may not be the best posts, but at least I'm trying.

Quantity =/= Quality. Active lurkers can still post a ton and be unhelpful. Mastin and Zazie (for the most part) have tons of posts with lots of content. If you can't post a ton, that's okay, but make them worthwhile, not just, "Hi, checking in, don't replace me." Those do nothing for us.

[fallen angel]

@Mastin- It's still only D1.

[fallen angel]

If you can't post a ton, that's okay, but make them worthwhile, not just, "Hi, checking in, don't replace me." Those do nothing for us.

Can you point to a single "checking in" post that I've made, or anything like that?

Not saying that you did, I'm just saying don't in the future, even if large posts are hard. Do small ones. Point out suspicions. We don't all have to have extremely long posts.

[fallen angel]

[...]

You definitely said leaning towards scum. Are you changing what you said initially?

No

(?)

, but I said

leaning

towards scum.

Same thing?

Not really. He says that earlier I found him scummy and now I'm recanting. I said he seemed neutral but I thought some of the stuff he did was a bit scummy. Nothing to really sway me either way. More tomorrow, going to bed now.

[fallen angel]

I only post a lot when I don't have much to say, then think of something then post it... Then think of something else and post that, and etc.... I'm going to have to leave a mental note in my brain that if either ZazieR or Achilles is scum, then they're not scum buddies... Since, wouldn't Achilles remember that ZazieR is female if he was her scumbuddy? That doesn't mean that they're not both scum, nor does it mean that they're scum at all!... They're probably just not scumbuddies...

I really don't think it changes anything. He could have just not been paying attention to detail, so I think a null tell.

[fallen angel]

It is still not a lie, regardless of how misleading it may or may not be. I would argue it's not misleading at all because i put all the "caution" statements but meh

Purposely misleading is a scumtell. Scum need to shape their own reality so that they can get other people lynched. Even if it is unintentional, it is still anti-town.

Faraday- Meh, it wasn't really a suspects list as much of a "Out of all the stuff that has happened, these people strike me as acting oddly." None of them right now would be someone who I want lynched, more just IGMEO them. I admit I am a bit behind, however, so my views might be changed when I catch up.

[fallen angel]

One kinda suspicion is on DVD for not only trying to sway the vig and cop, but also for wanting Khan dead with the only justification that "He's a miller." Khan probably claimed at the best possible time, because the earlier a miller claims, usually the better. DVD's overeagerness makes me wary.

[fallen angel]

Ckool-

1) Assuming there are multiple scumgroups, then the celebrating of a mafia doctor dead is an extremely valid tell.

2) Your "lol" scumtell situation looks like it would be more in the RVS, as most votes after have real reasons, like "He claimed serial killer" or something. It seems a null tell at best, and at worst an attempt to justify your actions. How would it make you less likely to care about a bad vote?

4) Meh. Not posting one day after the game starts isn't a scumtell/bad thing. It almost always takes me 1+ days to even notice my game has started. Again, null tell or justification.

[fallen angel]

2) It doesn't seem to affect me then. Point is, null tell/justification. Point still stands.

4) Ok. I thought you said it was and that was the whole reason for the point against you.

[fallen angel]

2. Even more justification for your actions. This is starting to seem really scummy.

[fallen angel]

Hayker? Why are you warning/advising/coaching ckool?

[fallen angel]

I try not to assume that players that coach each other are helpful (with the exception of ICs in newbie games). Given all the coaching and reasons from post 378,

Vote Ckool5000

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[fallen angel]

I try not to assume that players that coach each other are helpful (with the exception of ICs in newbie games). Given all the coaching and

reasons from post 378

,

Vote Ckool5000

.

Post 390 pretty much confirms it for me.

[fallen angel]

Especially since you only have my one vote on you. If you are town, you shouldn't be phased and give up. If you are scum, by all means do so.

[fallen angel]

That doesn't mean you shouldn't give up scumhunting.

Yep. That confirms it. I should just keep my mouth shut.

Your just going to stop posting because two people suspect you? Sounding to me like caught scum.

[fallen angel]

You think I'm scum because I'm voting/going after the person who I think is scummy? OMGUSy. Definitely sounding like scum.

[fallen angel]

Welcome curiouskarmadog. Don't worry, Mastin lets up a bit later. Speaking of which, where is Mastin?

[fallen angel]

Zazie- Mafia trying to wipe out other mafia faction, or a vig or SK trying to kill them, then there is no longer a doctor to just protect their scumgroup.

I thought I had commented on both of them. Ckool seems to attempt to scumhunt but give up when pressure was put on him. MM seemed to still scumhunt even when people questioned a few of his posts. I thought I had said MM was IIoA too, and found him suspicious because of that.

I see ckool's posting as scummy for his willingness to give up scumhunting, mostly. It seems that if he was actually pro-town, he wouldn't stop scumhunting, and wouldn't cave under pressure. What does post 420 mean?

[fallen angel]

I just don't understand what you meant at all.

[fallen angel]

I don't think that iamusername wouldn't be able to include

any

strange roles. I don't think there is any rule about that unless it majorly changes the mechanics of the game, so a less common role like death miller or jailkeeper may be present.

[fallen angel]

Breadcrumbing is hinting at your role by subtle means. Or not so subtle. Revealing your role without a claim, just hinting at it. http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... Breadcrumb

[fallen angel]

Selective quoting being used to change the context of the quote is a weak tell, depending how out of context the quote is. If I say "I don't think we should lynch Mastin because he's a mod-confirmed innocent child," and was quoted saying, "Lynch Mastin, he's a child" then yes, that is quite scummy. However, if a paragraph having absolutely nothing to do with the point you are addressing, then it's a more questionable tell.

[fallen angel]

Zazie- How exactly have I changed?

[fallen angel]

Zazie- That's mainly because I have been busy... Catching up soon.

[fallen angel]

Lowell, is this just an old grudge? Kise, sorry for not helping you out. Seriously though, sorry for not posting as much as I'd like to, been busy irl.

[fallen angel]

V/LA until 6/27/09

. If that's too long, replace me, but I will remain in the game if at all possible.