Open 150 - Crossfire - Game mod abandoned

[Kise]

Vote: kmd4390

How dare you stand at the forefront of a Zaz wagon..

FoS dvdkid13

Motherphucker!

[Kise]

@Zach - I could also ask you the reason for your vote.. I vote to save ZazieR because she MUST live. Otherwise, the kingdom will be without a queen.

dvdkid is suspicious for saying that he hopes him & Ash can still be friends... get it? Friends! Ay. Kay. Ay. scum buddies

I see an Ash-dvd link here.

[Kise]

Serious in a non-serious tone.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 94#1709294

Ash only wants dvdkid to unvote Scott & vote for ZazieR. That's just not cool, man.

[Kise]

FoS dvdkid13

[Kise]

What kind of question is that? Yes, I'm serious.

Fos: Zachrulez

Kmd voted for Zaz' first, then you voted for her second. Therefore, you two are The Sorcerors. Ash & dvdkid are Shadow Dragons.

[Kise]

Kevin always votes me in the RVS

Should I unvote/unFoS Kmd & Zach, mi Queen?

[Kise]

Well, VP did say that we needed to get out of the RVS at the bottom of page 3.. but I think the case on Huntress was in fact where we DID get out of the RVS, so..

FoS: Darkstrike

You say there's nothing to comment on, but then make a FOS towards KMD for his behavior? That's a non-fiction contradiction, my friend. I know Zach asked you about your thoughts on the KMD/Zaz wagons, but before that, you said there was nothing.. nada... zilch[!] to comment on. I don't understand how you go from having nothing to comment on, to making a FoS.

[Kise]

IGMEO

Ash. He nonchalantly joins a bandwagon during RVS to put the queen at L-4, then tries to make a big deal about dvdkid rolling a blunt or something. Looks to me like he tried to get a case going against dvd off of something petty; unless I'm still right about them both being Shadow Dragons.

[Kise]

I don't like huntress' "gut feelings" quote and i also don't like

his

active lurking...

he

hasn't posted for a while

I think you're about to become the 'hunted'.

I do agree about Lazarus. His posts look more like IIOA than anything, but none of what he's saying will lead us anywhere.

UnFoS: dvdkid
FoS: lazarus

[Kise]

Just noticed that.

Unvote

I don't think he's most scummy, no.. Not any more. There's no telling what his alignment is. And I've got plenty of fingers & toes to use.

[Kise]

Ash and Lazarus. But nobody wants to be active any more past the RV-Stage because they know it's time to dig in that booty.

[Kise]

No vote because 6 other people probably want to lynch Fernando first. I'll wait for Ferny to posts more before I decide whether he's scummy or not. So far, I don't think Fern will earn my vote, although he seemed to be making a trivial case against Huntress.

The waiting game sucks.

[Kise]

And I'll be #1 for PPD next month.

[Kise]

Lazarus isn't really scummy, he just isn't helping the thread. Ash's words toward dvdkid are about as strange as what Fernando had to say.

Do I haft'a make my vote tonight? o_o

[Kise]

Vote: Lazarus

[Kise]

If you guys think Darkstrike said enough to get himself lynched, I'll join the voters. He's another one I've got my finger on.

[Kise]

Right now, I got FoS's on Lazarus & Darkstrike, and I've also got my eye on Ash. I'm willing to join a 7-person wagon against any of them. The point of the game is to vote for someone you want lynched, so that's what me be doing, Mr. 3rd Place.

With that said,

UnFoS: Zach

I forgot to get my finger off of ya earlier. And before you ask (because I know it's coming), I'm doing that because I've got 3 other suspects that I can't link you to.

[Kise]

Fernando has said

just as little

as Lazarus. I see you want me to bandwagon Fern, but I got 3 other peeps I want lynched.

What does ITT mean?

[Kise]

IMO, Laz = (possible) scum that doesn't want to mentions name, so as not to draw anyone's attention towards him.

Fern = (possible) scum trying to make something outta nothing.

Laz's scumminess > Fern's scum juice.

Pay me 1 million dolla and I'll vote for Fern.

[Kise]

Both have exhibited strange/scummy behavior. If I think Laz is more scummy than Fern, then let me think. In fact, if you're trying to get me to go against my own personal decision and vote for someone (Fern) I have not FoS'd, then

you are

starting to reek of George Bush-scumminess.

[Kise]

I have already pointed out Fern's petty case against Huntress. The thing is, he might personally believe that gut instincts are not needed during RVS, or whatever it was he said. At least

did

give a reason for his vote, no matter how odd it was.

MY suspicion about Laz is that he's quietly re-enforcing which lynch-wagons should go through. Unlike Fern, he has

not

stated any reasons why he agrees on any lynch wagon, and it looks to me like he's being typical maf during D1 by flying low under the radar and letting everyone else go at each other.

Understand my position now? It's doggystyle. Woof-woof!

[Kise]

Because they're suspicious.

Unvote; Vote: Fernando

I wasn't lying. Thanks for the payment!

[Kise]

Well, hello! KMD told me it was a pro-town thing to do by voting after an intimate, drawn out conversation one night. After suggesting I vote for someone I FoS'd, I took his word and voted for one of my suspects. KMD paid me 1 million dolla, so I kept my word and voted for Fernie.

Furry, I think you've got a lot of nerve to call me out for all the people I'm willing to vote for, yet you list

just as many

people you would vote for:

Ash, DS, fern, kise and laz are all better votes.

WTF @ VP - I thought you wanted Fernando gone? What's with this opportunism I smell, eh?

[Kise]

Unvote, Vote Kise

Let's do this.

Motherphucker! You were another one of the hecklers who kept wanting me to vote based on who I thought deserved it.. and you paid me to vote for Fernando, so.. the phuck???

[Kise]

That was nice of you to leave out the posts in-between where KMD tells me that it's pro-town to make a vote regardless of what I told him... but, anyway -->

Laz did not

say

anything scummy, but his shyness makes me wonder why he's avoiding any direct conversation with the other players. Every game I play, there's at least 1 (maybe 2) scumbag(s) who stays out of the spotlight during D1. With this knowledge/experience of mine (hopefully some of yours too), Laz's comments make me consider him the quiet mafia guy.

Ash has only made 3 posts total, so you can't read a whole lot out of that, but he still made some strange comments towards dvdkid

during the RVS

.

I later unFoS'd dvdkid

at the same time

I FoS'd Lazaur, which was well

before

I voted for Laz. Therefore, Laz's shyness/staying in the shadows made me suspect him more than I would suspect the 3-post wonder (Ash).

So, what happened to the Fernando wagon?

[Kise]

^ that post is directed at VP

[Kise]

@VP - Read Ash & Laz's posts in ISO. Ash was around during the RVS, then disappeared after 3 non-sensical posts that target the player he voted against (and Kevin). Laz came after (probably during) RVS, so all of his comments had a bit more of a serious-tone to them.. However, Laz adds no substance in the post-RVS-stage and only supports ideas from others, as a way to suggest which lynches are good choices. He is not speaking independently and only waiting for wagons to develop (hence why he said he was going for either Zaz or KMD's wagon, then later he mocked Fernando). He refuses to be opinionated because he knows it will draw attention from any player if he mentions their name, so this is a decent reason to believe him to be mafia.

As for everyone else who hasn't said much: Well, yes, VP, there are plenty of other quiet players who could fit the bill of shy-mafia-guy, but look at Scott/Furry. I'm not going to call an

inactive

player scumbag until they

say something scummy

, thus give me a reason to suspect them.

KMD, I hope you know your purchase is non-refundable.

[Kise]

This is Entrapment-101...

First, VP is curious why I haven't unvoted KMD after more scummy players arised, then later on him & KMD both vote for Ferny. Then you, KMD, pestered me to vote a few nights ago and even wanted to know why I thought Laz was more scummy then Fern. You pay me as we agreed and I then vote for Fern, but once the tables somehow turned against me, you & VP wanna tag team on me?!?

Furry, I hope your computer crashes. How dare you bring ad hominem into this thread!

[Kise]

@VP/Post150 -

Laz did not

say

anything scummy, but his shyness makes me wonder why he's avoiding any direct conversation with the other players.

[Kise]

Unvote

(((KMD)))

I don't think he's most scummy, no.. Not any more. There's no telling what his alignment is. And I've got plenty of fingers & toes to use.

Then who

is

scummy?

Ash and Lazarus. But nobody wants to be active any more past the RV-Stage because they know it's time to dig in that booty.

Why no vote on either?

No vote because 6 other people probably want to lynch Fernando first. I'll wait for Ferny to posts more before I decide whether he's scummy or not. So far, I don't think Fern will earn my vote, although he seemed to be making a trivial case against Huntress.

The waiting game sucks.

So why not just vote your top suspect?

Do I haft'a make my vote tonight? o_o

It's your vote. Do what you want. I'm just saying it's protown to have a vote out.

ENTRAPMENT

[Kise]

You asked why I suspected Laz's lack of content

over the other players

who were posting minimally, or not at all (like Scott). I answered.

I'm not going to call an inactive player scumbag until they say something scummy, thus give me a reason to suspect them.

This simply means that I'm NOT going to suspect

non-talking

players until they give me a reason... Stop strawmanning. Post my quotes in their entirety, por favor.

Laz did not say anything scummy,

but his shyness makes me wonder why he's avoiding any direct conversation with the other players.

Laz's words =/= my suspicion
Laz's shyness = my suspicion

[Kise]

Bolded for the ease of other players to see. More votes for Kise plz.

This is propaganda. The quotes of mine you used were when I was replying to

2 different issues

. The first quote was a reply as to why I didn't suspect players like Scott. The 2nd quote was a reply as to why I felt Laz could be scum (his shyness > his words).

You're falsely matching up my words to misrepresent me. That's not cute, at all.

[Kise]

In case you missed it, Laz has made 5 posts. That means he IS a talking player. He's had more posts than D-strike, Ash, Huntress, Scott/Furry and Khamisa. No wonder your 'book' hasn't been published...

Are you basically asking me why (out of 6 players who

you define

as "non-talking") I choose not to vote for all 6? GTFOH. There's only 4 scumbags here, and it's not guaranteed that all of the non-talkative/minimal-activity players are those 4 scum. It's clear as day that KMD suggested that I vote for my top suspect, and that I did.

As far as anyone should be concerned, my vote on Fern is merely because I was "paid" to do so, since I would still rank Laz higher on my list of suspects.

FYI, there's more than 1 criteria when it comes to who you believe is mafia.

Scott/Furry had

zero

posts at the time, thus he gave me no reason to suspect him. What is it about this fact that you're not seeing/ignoring?

[Kise]

I never used the word 'lurker', so let me make that clear. Laz made a few posts, but what struck me as odd was his indirect commentary. He comes across like a sideline player who only agrees with others, so as to hide behind the opinions of others rather than put himself at the forefront. For instance, if he co-signs you and hides behind your opinion that

Player A

is scum, then if

Player A

is a mislynch, everyone will have their eyes set on you first instead of hounding him.

Also, I

did not vote Laz because he was 'lurking' scum

. I voted Laz after KMD's suggestion. At the time, Laz was no more than someone I had my eye on because he behaved typical of scum I encountered in previous games. I honestly could have waited to see more of how Laz acted before I confirmed my suspicion, but KMD thought it would be a good idea to vote for my top suspect, and I only had 3 (Ash, Laz & D-strike; keep in mind I unFoS'd dvdkid), so I went with Laz.

And when

did I say

I cleared the lurkers? Nobody has gotten townie points from me as of yet..

As for everyone else who hasn't said much: Well, yes, VP, there are plenty of other quiet players who could fit the bill of shy-mafia-guy, but look at Scott/Furry.

CUT... ok, now this is the part where I divide a person w/ zero posts (Scott) from those with posts ranging between 1 & 10 (your definition of non-talkative).

I'm not going to call an

inactive

player scumbag until they

say something scummy

, thus give me a reason to suspect them.

Inactive player = Scott

Before his vote on Huntress, Fernando has made a lot of fluff posts. But with him, he stuck his neck out by accusing Huntress of acting scummy. Now compare that with Laz, who is keeping his opinions to himself, yet he thought KMD, Zaz & (I also think) Fernando would earn his vote. Both men are likely scum for all I know. At first I voted for Laz. Now, I'm going for Fern.

VP, based on your definition of lurking, are you also accusing Furry of being a lurker?

[Kise]

An exception, ehh...

If you are going to have one rule for lurkers, you have to have it for all other lurkers.

Oh noes! It's the contradiction-scumtell!

[Kise]

I'm pretty sure the answers are right above your post. Either way:

I didn't vote Laz right away because...

I honestly could have waited to

see more of how Laz acted before I confirmed my suspicion

, but KMD thought it would be a good idea to vote for my top suspect

And I voted for Fern because I just became a millionaire, 34 posts ago.

[Kise]

I never contradicted. I was talking about 2 different issues and you inappropriately linked them, thus making it appear as though one of my posts was in reference to the other. I don't like people misconstruing me, which is why I wanted to do it to you.

In my opinion, anyone with 10 posts or less at this time is lurking, and several of these are super lurkers.

If you are going to have one rule for lurkers, you have to have it for all other lurkers.

[Kise]

No offense Furry, but I feel like I'd be repeating myself a bit. I'm pretty sure someone else has already asked me those questions, but here goes:

I think we'd get better information by asking KMD why he thought voting was so necessary, despite how many times I told him I wanted to wait on it (This means I'm asking, Kevin). I picked Laz over Ash & D-strike as a way to gauge a reaction from him. As you can see, he hasn't been seen since that day. Instead of questioning him, I would rather he either question me on my vote, or comment on it period. I wanted him to be more direct and address players personally, instead of hiding behind what others say. As for when I became suspicious of Laz... well, whenever it was I FoS'd him.

To some degree, you can say I only switched my vote to Fernando because of KMD's payment of 1 million dollars. It is, however, quite evident how everyone suspects him for what he said to Huntress. It was only one little instance, but he got quite a few votes for it instead of questions first, which is the same thing I intended to do with Laz; vote instead of question him about his motives.

Now, back to scumhunting!

what are everyone's favourite alignments? I should think I would prefer a mafia role, as it would be fun to manipulate the unknowing townies.

Did

anyone else

get excited at being told that

they were a policeman

as their role before finding out that its actually a vanilla town role?

This is the biggest thing going against you, DS. How can you say it's not a claim when it's pretty clear that you wanted to give the impression you're a policeman?

I get the feeling that he is quick for a lynch and scum.

Someone seems to be forgetting that I wasn't even ready to vote [Laz] a few days ago. On top of that, I waited a pretty long time (more accurately, until I got paid) before joining the Fernando wagon. In no way have I shown that I'm quickly wanting to lynch anyone. How do you get the impresion that I'm being hasty?

[Kise]

Voting makes a stance clear. It helps discussion and helps us read you.

Why are you using my first name?

I'm using your name because you're the one who ushered me into voting my top suspect.

How is my (or any other player's) stance any different after making a vote? I'm pretty sure that, before I voted for Laz, I explained to you my reason for suspecting him in the first place.

[Kise]

Pretty obvious that the scum are Darkstrike, Kise, Zach, and dvd.

I'm not defending him, but how do you figure that Zach is scum?

[Kise]

You know what...?

Unvote; Vote: KMD

For one thing, he's led to my entrapment . But more importantly, he votes Huntress and gives no reason, then hops on Fernando's upstart-wagon after VP makes a case on him, then hops on my wagon after Furry & VP find a case on me (which was a very late discovery of whatever tell I committed). The closest he's come to making a case against Huntress was asking her to elaborate on why dvdkid was her 'best bet', but even then, he gave no reason why he voted for her.

I'll give a

non-joke vote

though for the sake of moving things along.

Unvote, Vote Huntress

We never did get those reasons, Kevey.

Admit it.. you want to get rid of me so I have one less game to build up my PPD

[Kise]

And before anyone pardons him for SH'ing to some lesser degree.....

don't forget that even the scum have to scumhunt in this game.

[Kise]

What I'm looking for is an original position that you take and support strongly. Jumping on a wagon and saying "Yep! What he said! LYNCHLYNCH LYNCH" isn't taking a hard stance. Well, I guess it technically is, but it's not original.

Neither you or VP jumped on me until Furry pointed out my voting pattern. I'm pretty sure you are also guilty of the "yep what he said" tell.

The Huntress thing was weak, but it was there.

So I catch shit for making weak FoS's, but you make a weak vote and everything is all sunshine & lollipops? Nuh uh. Your 'weak' vote is much stronger than my 'weak', simply because I did not use my power to get someone eliminated from the game. I think your vote should have been more serious.. and it's an insult when you say it was based off of weak judgment. I know you're a better player than that (as town***).

You are legitimately scummy.

So sure, are we..? Well, I'm writing it in my "e-Will" in the case of my mislynch today that you be lynched D2. I demand it, in fact... If I can't build my PPD up in Open 150, then neither should you, Sorcerer. (Yes, even at a serious time like this, I still choose to use a non-serious tone. Then again, you could be Shadow Dragon for all I know.)

Listen, gang, even if you (the rest of the town) still want to lynch me at the end of the day, the best thing to do right now is at least take discussion off me for a while so I can do my part in scumhunting. If the topic is limited to whether I'm scummy or not based on 1 action I did, then that'll serve as a good enough distraction from finding other suspicious players. I'm not that scared of being lynched, but once I flip town, I at least want you guys to look back at how I interacted with everyone so you can assess the brainless bandwagoners/mafia and the tunnelers and make cases on them going into D3, because KMD must be lynched D2 if I die first. Agreed?

Also:

(113) laz

is

scummy for not helping the thread. Not putting out suspicions and contributing is scummy.

This is why I found Laz suspicious at the time, on the contrary to whoever (VP?) said I found him suspicious for lurking, which wasn't the case.

[Kise]

Neither you or VP jumped on me until Furry pointed out my voting pattern. I'm pretty sure you are also guilty of the "yep what he said" tell.

For personal knowledge, was it my voting pattern or the misconception about what I said in regards to Laz? There IS a difference between me finding him suspicious and me finding him to be scum (hence the delayed-vote).

[Kise]

OK, here's why this case against me is booty juice.

1) I Fo

S

'd Lazarus... meaning I

suspected

him... meaning I did not vote for him at the time because I did

not peg him as scumbag just yet

.

2) KMD pestered me about voting for my top

suspect

... after about 3 back-and-forth posts, I listened and took his "advice" by voting for Laz... a top

suspect

of mine.

3) Laz did not make any scumslips, so I did not label him scum. He only

behaved

suspiciously

.

4) Someone can

act

suspicious, as Laz did. That does not automatically mean they are scummy. They could be scum, but if they only

make me feel uneasy

about them, then I

only suspect

them. If they

say something

that would

benefit the mafia's objective

, than that is classified as

being scummy

.

5) I repeatedly let it be known to KMD that I did not feel ready to vote for Laz. He wouldn't shut up about how all the cool townie kids vote to get their point across, so I then and only then did I vote.

Were 6 other of you going to vote for Laz and get him lynched? It's not like I hopped on a wagon; I was the 1st to vote for Laz, so he was not in any danger off my little vote. The bottom line is THIS IS ALL KEVEY'S FAULT. He must die for not manning-up to his hand in all of this, because he does not want to prevent a mislynch. THAT would classify as being scummy because he wants to help the mafia accomplish their objective. Therefore, I am serious with my vote and demand for Kevey-wevey's lynch.

[Kise]

1) Just like in real life, the cops do not send suspects to jail. They only send criminals to jail. Thus, you can suspect someone, but that does not mean they are guilty most-definitely.

2) I didn't need you to. But here's a question for you: Why did you feel the need to pester me to vote for Laz, when a FoS sufficed just fine? You vote to lynch someone. You FoS to let it be known that something doesn't smell right about the way a particular player is acting.

3) Laz is suspicious for hiding behind opinions and not voicing his own. That doesn't mean he's obv-scum. Again, that is why he initially only earned my finger rather than my vote.

4) Why are you saying I found Laz scummy? Didn't Furry or VP quote me where I said I did NOT find him scummy, and instead only suspicious? And in this sentence right here, you say that Laz acts scummy but maybe isn't scum... So being scummy =/= scum, eh? Then why not consider that with my case? I know why: Because you want to mislynch me... Keveykeveykevey

5) We went back-and-forth. You wouldn't accept what I was telling you, so I gave in to your wish and made a vote for my top suspect.

[Kise]

Scummy is not always scum, but I would almost just not mind lynching scummy untill they stop doing stuff to get them lynched. Anyway, how is suspicious not scummy? Were you suspicious of how townie he was? Suspicious of his avatar? Or was it suspicious of... something scummy?

How many times..... did I have to say.... what I found suspicious about Laz....

And of course he OMGUS-votes me. <_<
I will distribute 1 million dollars amongst whoever joins the KMD lynch mob. My personal assistant will be sure to handle my financial business after I am dead and gone.

Goodbye, cruel world...

(Seriously, KMD needs to be the D2 lynch, unless the rival gang NK him. OK, I'm outtie!)

*jumps out the window*

[Kise]

*splatters onto the hood of a taxi*

[Kise]

You'll find out what I am when the mod returns to post the death scene. You're just jealous because I took your #2 spot. Trust me, when I win our bet, your avatar is going to make you lose respect.

To do list:

Get KMD lynched.
Review Ash's stance on Kise throughout the day.
Look at kmd in iso.
Lynch KMD.
Anxiously await Huntress to post her remarks before the day ends.
Make sure to vote KMD.
Pray the mod gives some attention to this game.

Fixed.

[Kise]

I'm not going to take any more of your advice. It was partially a reason that got me killed.

GO MAFIA!

[Kise]

Reimu Hakurei is such a cool name.. Anyways, good luck to all! Make it interesting.

[Kise]

Honestly wasn't enough action from the players; nevermind the mod. On the good side of things, I at least don't have to count this as a loss.

[Kise]

Guess I don't need a degree in Psychology.