The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Sironigous]

/confirm!

[Sironigous]

Vote: Shadow Knight

Pay me more to be your bodyguard.

[Sironigous]

....

Shadow, I'm not going to be guarding you for cheap.

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on a more serious note, I'm not liking Lamont's circumlocution...

[Sironigous]

... Haha.

Thanks hohum.

[Sironigous]

You're welcome, vocabulary boy.

... what other word/words should I have used?

[Sironigous]

I am anti no lynch.

[Sironigous]

wait.

You want to lynch before everyone confirms? o_o

[Sironigous]

Decanter. Interesting.

lol modding.

[Sironigous]

I really don't care who drinks it.
I really have no idea what it can do. Speculation is bad anyway.

But, SOMEONE should drink it. Hah.

[Sironigous]

1) If I

was

scum I would be terrified to drink it because the risk would be proportionately greater to my faction.

...

I'm giving Lamont benefit of the doubt... Ugh, grammar rules. ;/

italicized part for emphasis

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Lamont... What's worse than that?

[Sironigous]

Oh yeah. Forgot about that one.

.. well, ultimately hohum has the decanter, so I guess it's kinda his choice on what to do with it.

I guess mafia =/= democracy.

[Sironigous]

Xtoxm's rush to grab/drink/take the decanter is what has me worried
*snip*

Amished,
are you implying you think other people have inside information about the decanter or items in general?

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Ok so..

I still really don't care who drinks the decanter...

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I agree with Alaska.

this is pure speculation...
but what if it gave him an advantage? Say he drinks it, and then he can see everyone's roles...
Seeing as we don't know if he's scum or townie... how does that help?

I think its Hohum's decision whether to use it or not.

I say let him make the decision because then he alone is responsible for the outcome. If we sit around bickering about whether or not to use it, we're all still just pointing a finger at each other.

But then again, pointing the finger might help us all... so if we all agree to use it, I think Xtoxm should drink it, seeing as he volunteered.

wow

vote: Naomi

That's almost a complete relinquish of any responsibility for a misdeed. ;/

Vote: Naomi

[Sironigous]

[quote="Naomi]I say let him make the decision because then he alone is responsible for the outcome.[/quote]

@Naomi - this is the part I'm voting you for.

Would you like to explain how this isn't a "wash[ing] of hands of any misdeeds"?

[Sironigous]

What is so suspicious is that Naomi wants to use it but, she does not want to be she responsible.

That's what I'm trying to say. Thanks Pyro.

[Sironigous]

*Awaits Pyro case*
A lot of people agree with you... I think you're going over the top and you're a little bit pushy...

Fos Pyro

... Pushy?

He hasn't forced anyone to believe see his viewpoint. He's just been... right.

Right =/= Pushy

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Other than that... if this game is made to be anti-town, I'll agree with what other people said before. It seems like a better action -

Just play it like an "everyone is a Vanilla Townie" game and avoid using these items we don't know the effects to.

[Sironigous]

Lamont -

I kinda changed my mind on that after everyone kept bringing up rule 13.

It seems safer for town to just not use anything.

If that doesn't work...
I say use this one and every item given to usl. Selective item choosing would seem opportunistic... unless that item

obviously

has a protown effect, henceforth it should be used on the most protown player.

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The part about Xtox...

I never said

proving

an item is bad...

But, my view on those items is that they can be good or bad... so... I guess assume the worst.

Though hope for the best...

[Sironigous]

Lamont, why me? lol.

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Still...

For Naomi

Before

I say let him make the decision because then he alone is responsible for the outcome. If we sit around bickering about whether or not to use it, we're all still just pointing a finger at each other.

After

If I was hohum, I'd drink it myself or let the town decided. Depending on what everyone wanted.

So... are you saying you

want

him to be solely responsible? ...

[Sironigous]

No, I'm saying that we can then, move on to more important matters.

...what are the more important matters?

[Sironigous]

Shadow (3)- Pyro, Shadow, Naomi
Lamont (3)- Steph, Alaska, Nueva
Siro (2)- Lamont, Naomi
Nyx (1)- Amished
Alaska (1)- Naomi

not voting, everyone else!

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Ah, I'm sorry. I couldn't read too much today. I had to do something useful though. Be back tomorrow!

[Sironigous]

Shadow (3)- Shadow, Naomi, Pablo
Lamont (3)- Steph, Alaska, Nueva
Siro (2)- Lamont, Naomi
Nyx (1)- Amished
Alaska (1)- Naomi

Anti-Voting (1)- Nyx
Anti-Use (1)- Devestation

Not voting:
4. populartajo - Best Boy
6. Sironigous - Bodyguard to TV Anchor
9. UnofficialRulerofEveryone - Sound Engineer
10. hohum - Thief
13. Malkon - Schoolboy
15. Xtoxm - Policeman
16. Kratos - Schoolboy
19. Sajin - Historical Advisor's Research Assistant

right?
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OK.

Could be. If you are scum and know/think that the item is to our benefit than you're opposing its use in the face of a strong town argument would definitely be scummy.

ah! WIFOM!!...

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You were originally the one who began the talk about no lynching. I would say that equals suggesting it. Asking how everybody feels about it in that way implies that you support it.

misrepresentation? *shrug*

I don't want to go with anyone I think is scum through a lot evidence, yet I want to go with someone who I am more suspicious of than normal. Not sure this is yet. I get the feel that you are accusing me of something by unvoting. Correct me if this is wrong.

I think accusing you of unvoting after being called out.

FoS: Pyro

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That's that for now.

[Sironigous]

OK. I'm here.

Time to read 9 pages...

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Sironi -- Originally said "definitely someone should drink it" then changed to "nobody should use it." I'm going to call this light +scum

Rule 13 man. -_-... didn't you read what I said?

(did you forget Naomi as well in your list?)

I think Lamont's just trying to bring up points of us to think about. Is he trying to steer the town? No, probably not. Lamont, I can see you defending your case against hohums attacks, but why did you decide to bite his bait and describe him as anti-town?

... ugh Naomi...

Every time you post it seems like you and Lamont have some kind of out of game bond. I don't see at all what he sees town in you...

Sironi -- Inconsistency on elixir policy feels like scummy to me. Push on Naomi might have been opportunistic as well; will have to research.

You call me opportunistic yet you have said absolutely nothing on my points - not even an attempt to discredit them.

Only Sironi is MORE guilty because Naomi did it under voting pressure whereas Sironi had no such pressure.

Isn't it better I did it myself without pressure? That means it was my choice to change it because that's what I felt.

Also note that he sucked up to town with his fake votecount "assistance". He's trying too hard to make a good impression.

er...

so... helping the town is anti town nowadays, sigh.[/quote]

Why did you think it was okay to lead people on that you had the box?

TBH the mod didn't confirm it so... I don't think Steth tried to do anything of that sort.

Voting and lynching are the primary functions of the town. Delaying that function is bad because it can lead to a rushed and less than optimal decisions as deadlines approach.

I've heard long D1's are good for the town.

Dewd, you don't understand. YOU have a crap argument. You either come across with mutual promises are you suffer with your crap argument.

(argument about devil smiley)

Um... Lamont, I don't think you're handling it the best way either... complete outrage over smiley use. o_o

But, Steth's case on that is nothing to lynch over.

See, he constantly changed his views without any voting pressure whereas Naomi seemed to just panic and lose control under voting pressure, whereas before that pressure she sounded logical and fine.

Well... panic under pressure isn't necessarily a good tell either...

How long should she continue to panic?

He is almost a lurker. Add that to my list of grievances. He is my number one lynch.

Er, if you noticed, I didn't post in any of my games except the very small one I was in...

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I'm sorry if this post seems jumbled - essentially it is.

But, overall, I am still for a Naomi lynch.
Nothing anyone has said has persuaded me from that.

Lamont calls her newb town but provides no defense at all for her actions.
Unless he's giving her the benefit of the doubt, I see no other reason why he's defending her so much.

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I'll be back to post more on the other cases going on.

[Sironigous]

Back, sorry.
It's still Saturday. :S

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of course the mod wouldn't want to make this role too powerful...

besides, he did say that this game would be slightly swayed... did he not?

^^^

This statement is BEYOND THE PALE. Trilby is THE NUMBER ONE character. She must die today.

...now you're noticing these kinds of posts?

Questions/Comments -

I don't know why but I find Naomi's FoS on Stetho D1 very opportunistic.
Naomi - did you investigate N1 or not? and is bulletproof 1 shot or forever?
Healing light, interesting role.

Would vigging Naomi really work if she's un-nightkillable? I don't know why but I feel like it's actually against all offensives other than lynch.

So Amished is more powerful than Naomi? Hum.

Anyone care for a mass full role claim, since we're in the spirit of claiming?

But... Lamont can give the shell to Nyx if he chooses... I wonder if that does anything. Can Nyx give the shotgun to Lamont?

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Other than that...

Generally I'd still be willing to lynch Naomi, but I won't vote until after I hear the result.

I am definitely against the big on her though.

If we're going to get rid of someone for sure, might as well do it the proper way.

Unless there's unlynchable... lol.

[Sironigous]

Lamont, do you think a mass role claim would be more beneficial for scum? Heh.

I mean, right now we supposedly have 2 major roles that have claimed already. Hm.

[Sironigous]

No I did not investigate, although I was tempted to... I decided to wait till tonight because I want the town's input on my choice...

...are you serious?

You were basically one of the top D1 lynch candidates yet you give up the major chance to help the town in even a little way.

sick.

Vote: Naomi

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On that note, Lamont, why is a mass role claim bad at this point even if we have only 1 major role out?

[Sironigous]

No, I'm trying to help the town...
If I made a choice and picked someone, found out they were town... were lynched and confirmed as town... we would have then lost 3 townies...

IF I were faking my role claim I could easily convince scum to allow themselves to be lynched and then my role looks valid... The way to go is by letting the town pick!

How would we have lost 3 townies? It's a GOOD thing to know who is a confirmed townie so we know they're not trying to confuse us.

Besides, scum will most likely kill non scum anyway - remember, they generally know who each other are. o_o

Now with letting the town pick... Naomi, during the decanter period you said hohum should choose who should drink the decanter so he receives all the consequences for it.
Here, were you just afraid of receiving blame and such?

I don't see how a cop result can get you lynched.

If everyone picks someone scummy, I investigate and we lynch that person our chances of getting scum are stronger because everyone votes should be for the scummiest looking person(s)...

...what? You should know that scum cop reports are always right (except for cases of miller [none claimed] or sanity).

Besides, say I did look into it... I was lynched, or dayvig and you find out you killed Trilby?

... OK, then we confirm your cop report is true if you really are Trilby.

The only good that comes of using the 1-shot now, is for my role to be confirmed...

...which is what we wanted you to do for the first night.

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Mods generally make the game unbreakable due to mass claim early on so in this case, being only D2 it will most likely only help the scum to win.

Mass claim is better when we have more info about the scum & town and when we are closer to end game.

That makes sense.
My point was just that the townie major role already claimed, so I figured nothing else would be more powerful than that.
I'm going to stop speculation on this, ha.

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...actually....

Wait wait wait wait.

Amished said he protected Naomi.

Therefore Naomi still has her bulletproof ability, no?

So... What if we let Naomi live another day for the cop investigation?
There is (supposedly) no way for her to be killed this night, so we do get that investigation.

Unvote

If this does go through, then we take a step forward on town information.

Comments please.

[Sironigous]

That's not a comment.

[Sironigous]

AHAHAHAHA!!! Caught fakeclaiming scum ftw!

Unvote; Vote: Naomi

Care to elaborate?

Ha.

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TBH I think Naomi should choose who she investigates.

Then the next day she'll tell us why.

I figure that'd give the most insight rather than having the town do it.

[Sironigous]

er... Based on something new or when she first claimed?

I don't see anything that changed from that point.

[Sironigous]

Even though I'm not completely part of it...

I say...
YES DAY VIG
NO LYNCH NAOMI.

It's only a matter of lynch Naomi now or later if she's scum.

[Sironigous]

Advertise, and especially point out the fact that it's not going to be a long-term commitment.

This scares me. lol.

[Sironigous]

So... before anyone decides do do anything rash...

I'll claim and give my general views.

So as the bodyguard to the TV anchor I am...

not a bodyguard.

Just innocent, nothing else - AKA vanilla.

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So...

Watch out for...

-Stethoscope
(Top D1 candidate COMPLETELY disappeared D2 letting Naomi take all the fire)


-Setael
(lol roleblock)

This is basically the two I'm most confident about but...

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Minor suspicions -
anyone rushing Naomi lynch after she claimed.

especially...
Lamont and Zwet, but Zwet more than Lamont.

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Gut feeling: Devastation
can't back this one up. : |

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Mostly townie -

Xtox, Amished

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I don't see the problem in lynching Naomi now or later.
sillies.

On that note if I have a say...

Unvote, Vote: Stephoscope

Vote: Stephoscope

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General question to the town:

What made Stephoscope less scummy coming into D 2?

[Sironigous]

Can you give a little more reasoning for having me as your 2nd scummiest player? "lol roleblock" is not much of a reason, especially if you're aware that amished said the scum don't have a roleblocker (based on solid reasoning) and that is what I was referring to with my statement.

Frankly, anyone who would use such a weak reason has to be scum struggling to fabricate suspicion on players they know are protown. (I'm looking at pablo and sironigous). I'd be happy to see either of them vigged.) I could definitely see then as scum partners. Sironi didn't even mention pablo in that last post.

I was thinking about mentioning Pablo, but I didn't have anything to back it up.

It was like Devastation, but even smaller.

Other than that, I'm not going to outguess the mod on the possibility of a roleblocker or not. : |

[Sironigous]

I think it's pretty obvious that our flavor names are only flavor, Siro.

Well of course!

I felt like adding that anyway.

[Sironigous]

Granted, you could also be scum trying to divert attention from yourself!

On that note, you are defending everyone else (without reason may I add) I said I thought was scummy.

More likely, though; he's scum who is having a hard time coming up with reason to be suspicious of players he knows are town.

Could that also be scum defending scum? Ahhhh!

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Seriously though...

That's Amished's view. Not the mod's.

Finally, while scum not roleblocking a claimed powerrole being stupid beyond belief easily leads to the conclusion that they do not have a roleblocker

I'm supposing claimed power role means Naomi. I don't understand how you know she wasn't role blocked - she didn't use any of her abilities.

And scum do know that she was a top lynch candidate and that her claim was very weak and that she could probably lynched the next day as well.

So if you people are going to speculate on scum minds, I will too.
why waste a night kill on someone who's almost certain to be lynched the next day?

[Sironigous]

You cannot make statements like this without explaining it.

More likely, though; he's scum who is having a hard time coming up with reason to be suspicious of players he knows are town.

^^^ this one.

You think that I think I know that the players I think are scum are actually town, and if I were scum, I'd know they're town, meaning you must also think they're town (you're saying I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason to make them suspicious).

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To make your mafia fakeclaim more believable?

Well, it's not too much different than saying I'm just townie. hohum.

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Does it really make sense that a protown multiprotect doc would not be roleblocked by scum if they had the ability?

Gahhh.

How do you know they didn't?


But that's not my point...

You said yourself there wasn't a scum roleblocker.

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

You didn't say there WAS.

Therefore, Amished wasn't blocked anyway.

The vote and suspicion is from you saying that there ISN'T one.
So... multiprotect and everything else still happens...

And on that point...
Was that speculation or a statement, what you said there?

[Sironigous]

Ok, as far as I can see the case on Sironi is:

1) He claimed Vanillager out of the blue for no reason.

I was at V-1.


I'll respond to the others if you like, but I already did before.

[Sironigous]

unvote, vote Zwet (well, come on, he's just useless and you know the scum ain't gonna NK him)

So you're saying to waste a vig on that? ;/

FoS: Pablo

Do you deserve to be here ?

Whatcha mean by that? lol.

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[sarcasm]

I don't like how you both want Sironi and Naomi dead for their claims only. Which both aren't scummy and haven't been counter claimed.

person who CC's vanilla is obv scum

[/sarcasm]

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PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VOTING FOR NAOMI OR WOULD NOT BE IF THEY DID NOT WANT TO VIG SOMEONE FIRST
Please explain how the following sequences of post do not convict naomi. I may have gotten some of the post numbers wrong. Two is the most important.

1. 998, 1002, 1006, 1015, 1028, (stalling for time)
2. 1031, 1033, 1038

Even if they do completely convict her I'm going to hold of the lynch until we get her supposed cop report.

ie. lynch scum now or later

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On that note..

Since no one has responded about Stepho....

unvote, Vote: Setael

But I'm still waiting for what people have to say on that...

[Sironigous]

We do NOT want a repeat of yesterday.

QFT lol.

you know, you think a lot of people are prob town, Xtoxm.

In Xtox's defense, there are more town than scum... at least there should be.

[Sironigous]

You claimed innocent vanilla so just wondering.

Well, essentially the only thing you can get from me is my vote and what I say, no special powers attached!

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On the real Trilby vs. this Trilby I'm just going to assume the mod put in/removed powers for balance.
I have no experience with Chzo. >.<

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On Lamont's townie points from holding the shell..

Well... That would just be something like a deathtrap and kept it for yourself... That is if you didn't hit scum. Probably...
I agree with Xtox on that.

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Why has Stepho dropped off everyone's radar after getting wagoned nicely D1?

...Hey that's what I said.

Let's answer that later. For now, let's discuss why in the world you want to make a decision about lynching when we don't even know what the vig will reveal.

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His Siro hate is meh. Dont like it.

I've gotten used to it. ^_^

And yeah, it is normal Zwet.

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He says that he has a gut town read on me because of my behavior in LAL mafia, when in fact my extreme "paranoid and stressed vibe" in that game was fabricated as a ploy to make tajo look town by bussing me, which was discussed and agreed upon in the quicktopic. Therefore, tajo is lying about me (especially since he has much more meta of me than just in LAL) for who knows what reason to make me look more town than I already am.

... I'm not going to vote over meta because I don't know anyone's...

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Heya ZazieR!

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So, overall....

I think I'm still for the Setael Vig kill.

Honestly, I don't understand the Dev wagon. Could someone point that out to me? >.>

[Sironigous]

Regarding Post 1368, Sir, what do you mean with:

Minor suspicions -
anyone rushing Naomi lynch after she claimed.

especially...
Lamont and Zwet, but Zwet more than Lamont.

I mean I suspect Zwet more than Lamont.

Sweet, Stepho wagon?

Unvote; Vote: Stepho

[Sironigous]

For Pyro -

Nyx - 6/10
Pyromaniac - ??
dramonic -5/10
populartajo - 8/10
Lamont_Cranston - 4/10
Sironigous - claimed
Stephoscope - 2/10
Devestation - 5/10
zwetschenwasser - 3.5/10
Elmo - 8/10
Rockatansky - 5/10
Amished - claimed
Setael - 3/10
ZazieR - 9/10
Xtoxm - 9/10
Pablo Molinero - 5/10
Naomi_Saotome - claimed

So...

Basically this reads as close to 10 is town, closer to 1 is scum.

5 is neutral read.

For Pyro, I'm completely confused.
For those that claimed, I'm waiting to see some other form of confirmation - especially from Naomi.

For myself, well... Yeah.

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So... Essentially I'd extremely glad the Stepho wagon is happening.

If the Dev wagon goes through, I'm mostly feeling neutral on that.

[Sironigous]

.... I'm speechless.

[Sironigous]

.. O M G.

I finally understand what Nyx meant.

Dev is 100% town. He has the same message as I do and as Nyx did.

Which is why Nyx asked this -

Do you deserve to be here ?

Dangit I should've paid more attention to my role PM, notice Nyx was also a vanilla.

If I die or someone finds out that I'm town, know that Dev IS NOT lying.

He already claimed innocent earlier, and made

some comment about possibly not deserving to be here.

This for me is a huge softclaim (hehe) for vanilla.

UC = unclaimed

Pyromaniac - UC
dramonic - UC
populartajo - UC
Lamont_Cranston - UC
Sironigous - vanilla
Stephoscope - cop-ish
Devestation - vanilla
zwetschenwasser - UC
Elmo - confirmed town
Rockatansky - UC
Amished - mass protect
Setael - UC
ZazieR - UC
Xtoxm - vanilla
Pablo Molinero - UC
Naomi_Saotome -Trilby

considering no one is lying

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Can someone direct me to where Setael becomes town? I can't find it. >.>

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I do believe a Rock lynch is best.

Aw, little baby is butthurt that he got caught

This is not a defense.

For now I'll go

Vote: Rockatansky

I looked over what dramonic spoke over, and I see nothing wrong with it... :S

Since my top 2 lynch candidates are gone...

After Rocka would be Zwet, but the only thing really against him recently is this...

*appears*

Unvote; Vote: devestation

*leaves*

not reading the thread, but I do understand his circumstances, so I can't vote him for that....

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Now we have 2 more cop reports coming for the next day, that's just great. Try to investigate someone who hasn't claimed or has a fishy claim. xD... and who's not Elmo.

[Sironigous]

Someone needs to prod the smart villagers, if we have any left

Still not a defense. ^_^

I'm happy with my vote.

Don't expect other people to defend you, well, for you.

[Sironigous]

... y'know, I don't really think lurking is the biggest scumtell though....

TBH I think I just wrote that in a sort of frustration as in hurry up and finish the day, sigh.

Unvote

....

Bleh, I'mma have to re look everything, thanks Xtox!