Open 147: Vengeful 5P - Game Over before 792

[Khamisa]

/confirm.

[Khamisa]

Vote: Paradoxombie

Your name is far too long for my liking.

[Khamisa]

Oh, sorry. This game is full of testosterone agh!

I've never played in a setup like this (this is one of my first games) so I'm not sure what to think of the early L-1s or the fact we're possibly nearing a lynch on Page 2.

[Khamisa]

Well, in other mafia games, L-1s on Page 1 or 2 usually aren't acceptable. I guess it would be normal in a two player game though.

[Khamisa]

It seems everyone else was edgy about the L-1s too. I don't know if this will be a temporary thing or if this will continue the entire game.

[Khamisa]

Oh, sorry, I've been bogged down with other things.

Now I can see the odd action between chareter and Empking. Their arguing about their distancing. Why would you argue about distancing if you weren't scum? That makes no sense to me.

FoS: charter and Empking

[Khamisa]

Well, ODDin, one thing I did notice is that you were the first to remark on charter's putting of someone at L-1. Have you played in this setup before? Because now it seems pretty easy to do that, so I wouldn't necessarily call it scummy.

[Khamisa]

Well then your over reaction makes sense, ODDin.

I think I need to read more deeply into the first two pages of this game.

[Khamisa]

Sorry, Mem day weekend.

Empking, it'd be helpful if you explained your reasoning on wanting to lynch charter.

[Khamisa]

I don't know if the other two townies realize this, but we need all three of us to vote for scum. I can't comprehend how anyone would be adverse to lynching Khamisa, please explain why you won't vote her if you wont. Asking this of everyone.

So your saying one of the mafia won't bus their partner. Even if they weren't thinking it before, you've now put it into their minds.

ODDin, you've basically said the only person you could truly be suspicious of is Paradoxombie.

Speaking of which, where is he? I see he's posted often but I always seem to forget him.

[Khamisa]

Vote: Empking

Deadline is fast approaching, and I don't see any real case on anyone, so I'm gonna go with my gut. charter is overplaying a little, but this is just striking me as annoyed town, while Empking is being his unreadable self. This setup is definitely a frustrater.

So, my suspect list:
Empking
Para
charter
ODD

[Khamisa]

Um...Para, do you not understand the workings of this game? When a Vengeful Townie dies, they get to choose another player to kill. So if charter is a vengeful, he was employing it by saying Kill:Empking. Also:

Maybe if you had put as much effort into observing everyone instead of tunneling on Empking all day you wouldn't have been mislynched

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Assuming you are a townie.

I emphasized the period because it looks like you at first concocted that sentence as you knew of course he was a townie because you are scum, and then added on the next sentence to cover yourself.

[Khamisa]

Wait. I'm really confused. Shouldn't charter be dead?

[Khamisa]

I'm thinking I'm going to commit a reread and see what I think.

[Khamisa]

So here are the results of my reread focusing on ODDin and Paradoxombie of course, and then Empking for relations.

Oh well. vote: empking
Although I really have no idea what's the whole empking lynching thing.

I personally like to think that scum usually "random vote" their scum buddies, but this is a very weak tell and it's not very reliable.

Vote:ODDin

because I am in another game with him.

Now that we know that Empking was scum, could this be an attempt by Para to derail charter's idea of policy lynching Empking?

Err... do we really want to put someone on L-1 so early in the game?

unvote: empking
FoS: charter

This is especially suspicious now that we know Emp is scum. It looks like ODDin was trying to avoid the early demise of his buddy.

I think it's odd the way Charter asked for an Empking lynch and ODDin provided a vote, but then unvotes in reaction when Charter votes also as would be expected. Wouldn't you expect Charter to follow through with his own plan and therfeore put someone at L-1, Oddin?

This is a good point by Para in reference to his earlier vote on Empking. It looks like his reaction was a little overboard due to the fact that he knew charter wished to lynch Empking.

No. This is what I was trying to do. Pick any player (in this case, Empking) and wagon them to L-1. See reactions (in this case it was ODDin who made a reaction, the unvote). Then, pick another person, and put them at L-1, and gauge that same player's (ODDin) reaction to that other wagon. If the reaction is different, then that's a HUGE red flag.

The players chosen were arbitrary since it's the beginning of the game. Is it a foolproof way of catching scum? No, but if it works, it's a HUGE tell if the reactions are different.

charter made a good point here. ODDin's reaction varied little between Para and Emp, so unless he's playing a good lie, he's probably not scum.

unvote, Vote:charter I also think you're acting too defensive. The way you voted Empking was odd

Here is another post where someone is trying to defend Empking, but this time it's from Para.

A lot of Page 3 both Para and ODDin appear to defend Empking, but really their just rebuttaling against charter's bad case.

This is some really poor logic. I understand that if Empking is lynched and he is town, then he can vig town. You completely discount the possibility of Empking being scum, why is this?

This is another good point by charter.

Empking, you may be alot more active than Khamisa, but you've been pretty silent about your own opinions. You OMGUS voted charter but besides that, have done little but defend yourself.

unvote, vote:Empking

This is a really big town point for Paradoxombie. If him and Emp were partners, I don't think Para would risk voting Empking, especially with a player whose thoughts were unknown (aka me)

On the other hand, Para really flipped from charter to Empking. He may have thought Empking's scumminess was becoming more obvious and was going to bus him to look town.

I'm really confused why charter and ODDin thought that only the three townies could lynch scum. When I read the wiki on it (to see how the game was run and why zwet thought charter was alive) there was a case where scum would go on the other scum's wagon to look superiorly town and therefore win the game.

Alright, I don't think we're gonna gain much more before deadline. Everyone has stated how they feel.

Unvote, Vote: Charter

This is the other town point against Paradoxombie. Initially in this game, he was against charter's case. Then, he flipped to Empking. Now, without little more insight into either case, he switches back to charter. He pushed for a lynch when clearly all he needed to do was not lynch for a win if he was scum.

ODDin, on the other hand, didn't vote, and was apparently looking towards this "mafia wins at deadline" win.

It is lynch.
Well, darn.

This is extremely suspicious, seeing how he was voting for charter yet unhappy to see his lynch.That makes absolutely no sense.

So, by this, I believe that ODDin is much more suspicious than Para, but I'm not going to vote in case Para is scum and quicklynches. I want both of your opinions first.

[Khamisa]

Well, I can see how you can take it both ways.

[Khamisa]

Well, that list was generated before charter and empking's death. With Empking's reveal, I can now see connections that weren't their before, and therefore, positions changed.

[Khamisa]

ODDin: Before, Para was flipping votes frequently, and you looked very pro-town in the standpoint that you did not want to vote Empking due to his meta. Now that we know differently, we can see that Para was uncertain, not opportunistic, and it appears that you were trying to make up reasons to not vote Empking.

[Khamisa]

He voted charter at first, which definitely looked like a good wagon for scum to be on, then switched to Empking, which Para probably knew that you weren't going to vote on and was clueless about my intentions. The final flip back to charter was probably the most opportunistic thing he's done.

[Khamisa]

Oh, I hate this WIFOM they call endgame.

Seeing how there hasn't been anything further to really change my persuasion, I'm going to stick with my current suspicions and

Vote: ODDin

. The way you didn't suspect Empking yesterday bugs me. It would have been clever if it would've worked.

*crosses fingers and hopes Para isn't playing a good scum game*

[Khamisa]

I don't much like this setup. I read the wiki when there was confusion at the Day 1/Day 2 stage and noticed I done the "lynch your partner to appear town" thing kinda.

This setup is far too WIFOMy. It's mostly luck, and it's especially hard for town if there are good scum, and that's not what me and Empking were.