The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Nyx]

confirming

[Nyx]

Vote: UnofficialRulerofEveryone

Try ruling when you're dead ~!

[Nyx]

Because jumping to conclusions so early in the game makes people do funny stuff.

[Nyx]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at these last... 10? posts.

Laugh. Atleast that's what I did.

The elderly woman is the queen. With one of her "we are not amused" looks.

Oh snap. We have two Queen Elizabeths II in this game.

[Nyx]

How come every time at least one person starts commenting about "no lynch" and always gets the same answer. BAD BAD BAD Day 1. You would think after a while people don't make the same mistakes.

[Nyx]

I think we should just dice roll this. Because if we pick someone you'll get too much WIFOM.

If we decide to do this ofcourse.

Original Roll String: 1d19

1 19-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[/dice]

[Nyx]

I think we should just dice roll this. Because if we pick someone you'll get too much WIFOM.

If we decide to do this ofcourse.

Original Roll String: 1d19 (STATIC)

1 19-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[/dice]

2. Pyromaniac - Thief

So that would be Pyro

[Nyx]

Random is the only way to do it. If we decide on drinking it EVERYONE should be put in the random.
If we don't put everyone on random there's a chance people may avoid it with reasons we don't know yet. Or like Lament said in post 278.
I don't think discussion should be about who drinks it but more about if we should actually drink it or not.

[Nyx]

Random is the only way to do it. If we decide on drinking it EVERYONE should be put in the random.
If we don't put everyone on random there's a chance people may avoid it with reasons we don't know yet. Or like Lament said in post 278.
I don't think discussion should be about who drinks it but more about if we should actually drink it or not.

Random is not going to work. Someone can fake that they "randomized" it, and even if they don't, they'll be suspected of it. I mean, let me know if I'm missing something, but we might as well all agree on doing something instead of agreeing to a process that's easily corrupted.

Dice roll is safe and can't be corrupted. See my post 261 and 262 where I rolled a dice of 19 and number 2 AKA Pyro came as result.

[Nyx]

I think we should just dice roll this. Because if we pick someone you'll get too much WIFOM.

If we decide to do this ofcourse.

Original Roll String: 1d19 (STATIC)

1 19-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[/dice]

2. Pyromaniac - Thief

So that would be Pyro

[Nyx]

If, for the "good" of the town it has to be drunk, I can only advocate a total and dedicated random assignment with the criteria specified before the role.

I agree totally with you and forgot that by rolling before deciding if we should drink it or not it's corruptable.
On the other hand I think we should force Hohum to follow the decision that we as group decide on before he makes his own. For obvious reasons.

[Nyx]

We are not going to get any infomation about these items, which are clearly a major part of this game given the fact the mod included it in the rules, and the way he worded it, if we let the first item go unused. The is the earliest stage of the game, no matter what it is, it will have the least long term impact than at any other stage of the game.

This is exactly why I'd rather use the decanter then let it go to waste.

Why would we give it to the lynch canidate? That makes no sense.

If its beneficial we threw it away.

If its harmful, its not any worse then not using it

If its verifiable, we lost an oppurtunity to verify someone.

The lynch canidate is someone it should NOT go to.

Exactly. Anyone thinking it is in our best interest to give THIS item to a L-1 ( Scum in town's eyes ) should be lynched themselves for obvious reasons.

I was thinking of somebody somewhat scummy, maybe not the top scummiest person on most peoples lists, but somebody that people have a suspicion (and therefore opinion) about, while them also possibly looking a bit more scummy so that if it is harmful like I believe then it'll still be beneficial to harm somebody scummy looking.

Which in your eyes would be ?

For the record.

Unvote

RVS vote and

FoS

: Everyone voting for Naomi without posting a case.

[Nyx]

Ya I know, its almost an act of genius that he left when he did.

@Nyx:

What do you think about the relatively high odds that random forcing the elixir will hit a town power role?

I see the elixer as a 50/50 hit bad or good. We can't outguess the mod so we don't know what the elixer will do. You can debate as much as you want about it but we will not know how basterdly the mod invented this item.

So in the worse case scenario we hit a town PR with something bad. But on the otherside the exact opposite could happen. Something good for the town PR.

But why are the odds higher to hit a town power role ? Why should we assume that town has more power roles then there are scum ?
Like Xoxtm said these items were calculated into the game balance and we can assume these items will have a big impact pro-town and anti-town. If we let the chance of using items go away we might lose out when the anti-town items are being used. EX: Night items.

[Nyx]

So the random plan is out of the window and we're going to vote for someone now ? I do agree it shouldn't got to a lurker.

[Nyx]

Seriously. Is it me or didn't we already have the volunteering is bad for town discussion ?

FoS: Shadow Knight

I'm not going to "vote" for a person to drink from the decanter until hohum actually decides if he wants to give it away and let someone use it. If we decide before he makes this decision he can always back out of this by choosing not to use the item/give it away.

[Nyx]

That and my top candidate is

Nyx

I'm flattered but nonetheless I'd like to hear the reason of your choice. Since you were the one advocating the idea of giving the decanter to a person who is slightly scummy in your view.

[Nyx]

UGH voting. I still got my doubts about it since it's too easy to be manipulated by the informed minority.

Unlike Amished I don't think it should go to a person who might be scum or I would find slightly scummy. Because whatever happens if it isn't something obvious we will never get to know its effects. Scum will not share this information with us. Unless the effects are announced by the mod but I highly doubt it unless it's death.

[Nyx]

UGH voting. I still got my doubts about it since it's too easy to be manipulated by the informed minority.

Unlike Amished I don't think it should go to a person who might be scum or I would find slightly scummy. Because whatever happens if it isn't something obvious we will never get to know its effects. Scum will not share this information with us. Unless the effects are announced by the mod but I highly doubt it unless it's death.

So you and devastation are against using it?

No, I'm only against the voting system.

[Nyx]

Whoops I forgot:

Nyx

-- Very heavily random assignment (steering) then suddenly switches to no use and against voting. He tried very hard to steer that random assignment. His position has not been consistent and I think ultimately anti-town.

I would place him under Sajin in my original list.

I never advocated NO USE. Please quote me where I did.
Since the decanter came in to play I've said I agreed on using it and it should be randomly decided.

[Nyx]

Whoops I forgot:

Nyx

-- Very heavily random assignment (steering) then suddenly switches to no use and against voting. He tried very hard to steer that random assignment. His position has not been consistent and I think ultimately anti-town.

I would place him under Sajin in my original list.

I never advocated NO USE. Please quote me where I did.
Since the decanter came in to play I've said I agreed on using it and it should be randomly decided.

Ok I apologize. I have in my notes "no use" but apparently I drew that from your statement about no voting.

Could you explain why you were against voting?

Because I think that during the voting process the informed minority has to much weight in deciding who it's going to be.

[Nyx]

Whoops I forgot:

Nyx

-- Very heavily random assignment (steering) then suddenly switches to no use and against voting. He tried very hard to steer that random assignment. His position has not been consistent and I think ultimately anti-town.

I would place him under Sajin in my original list.

I never advocated NO USE. Please quote me where I did.
Since the decanter came in to play I've said I agreed on using it and it should be randomly decided.

Ok I apologize. I have in my notes "no use" but apparently I drew that from your statement about no voting.

Could you explain why you were against voting?

Because I think that during the voting process the informed minority has to much weight in deciding who it's going to be.

Dam, wat an excellent point. I wished you had weighed in much earlier on that.

Thank GOODNESS he drank it already...

Seriously. Just because you miss read the fact that I was anti-voting but pro-use of the decanter you thought I was scum ? "Very heavily random assignment" ? How does this change so quick by the fact that 1 posts of mine was read wrongly by you ?
This wall of accuses you posted look to much like "steering" yourself.
If you build a case on someone make sure it's not based on 1 post that you even didn't read correctly. Because what you do looks more like fabricating scum then actually hunting them.

[Nyx]

On a side note. I think we should watch out with voting until the mod explains what actually happens after hohum consumed the fluid inside of the decanter.

[Nyx]

Well that was unexpected. At least it confirms that Hohum is innocent.

The vote count surprised me a bit. I knew Naomi was getting votes but didn't realize it got up too this amount. We talked about it earlier but so far I haven't seen a decent case on her besides her swinging of opinion on the elixer problem. Which shouldn't be a problem since more people have changed their opinion after some healthy item discussion.

@Pyro
I'm not following you. You're saying that if the decanter wasn't in play you wouldn't have made the "scummy" comment thus he wouldn't have voted for you ? This is a horrible excuse. Fact is you made "scummy" looking posts that made Lamont vote for you.

[Nyx]

Ok I was going to remain silent about this but I just got another PM which confirmed my suspicions.

The initial PM said that the shell was slightly warm to the touch.

This latest PM says that the shell is now much warmer and there is a faint odor of something burning.

I think I made a big mistake in picking it up...

Well deducting from what you're telling us we can say it will either kill you or someone random will die. Purely speculation of course.

[Nyx]

LOL ^^^ another brilliant argument.

No Pablo, it was through deductive reasoning that I came to the conclusion that Ho was town.

But that's the case against me fantastically brilliant arguments like that. 9.9

Pablo expresses the same sort of feeling I had the first time you said you knew Hohum was town. Yes he plays very pro-town but this could also be a good playing scum and besides that there weren't any indication that made him so obviously pro-town.

If you know someone is town before others see the same deductive reasoning for it they might think you know more then us. Which could conclude to scum. But after a while it became pretty clear Hohum was town hence I came to the same conclusion as you on him.

[Nyx]

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

We don't have plenty of time the deadline is in 4 real time days. Also voting puts pressure on people which could lead to scum slips or confirm somebody that he actually isn't scum with a good written defense/claim.

[Nyx]

Were prods sent out?

Yes.

I don't like how you're pressuring people to just vote. Sounds to much as forcing a quick lynch IMO.

As for the current events. Since Lamont is more likely to be dieing if I may presume that there's no need to lynch him. I find the case on Naomi and Steph very weak.

So for now

vote:The Replacement

For above said argument.

[Nyx]

Even though I never found the case on Naomi strong this claim sounds fishy to me. It's a too perfect power role claim as scum, seeing scum will also "almost" never die in a night kill. With this claim she could avoid lynches and nightkill ( since nobody would waste a potential NK on a person who is "immune" ) and coast through the entire game without having to worry.

Even though it would fit lore wise as much as I know from the series. Which isn't awfully much.

At least this should prevent Naomi getting lynched and the bandwagon to stop. I still haven't heard anyone put a decent case on her thus far so it's a good thing I guess.

[Nyx]

Is no one here but myself and Amished? Does the town not care about having a no lynch happening on day one?

Like I said before I don't believe in a Naomi vote. If that's so the only option I have left is Steph ? Well I do find it weird how she pursued lamont that alone isn't really going to convince me to vote for her.

So seriously besides the fact that you're trying to push us onto a bandwagon. Yes supposedly town doesn't care. Even though I have to agree that this situation is going to end bad if it's going to stay on No Lynch. So I'll have to go with the most scummiest person with the most votes.

Unvote, Vote Steph

[Nyx]

Take shotgun

Wonders if this works[/b]

Looks like we have 2 seperate informed minorities probably working alone ?

[Nyx]

Take Shotgun

Shoot the bullet in the air before it starts burning even more :'D

[Nyx]

Lamont, I think that's retarded, and you shouldn't have done it, but I think you're town.

Naomi needs to give her result before we do anything.

I thought

very

hard about it. Scum hate vigs with a passion. My holding a shell would be a huge threat to them and I would be an

obvious

target.

If you held the shell I would suspect you would of thought differently. You have to put yourself in my shoes.

A shell is useless without a gun. So it wasn't an immediate threat.

But I do agree with you that we should vote on this 1 shot vig opportunity.

[Nyx]

@Nyx/Lamont: If Naomi is the overall choice to be dayvigged, I ask that you allow me to post before actually going through with it for this day phase.

I never suggested to use the 1 shot day vig on Naomi. I don't find her scummy. Even though it mentioned I got the shotgun I didn't get a PM or anything about it.

[Nyx]

@Nyx/Lamont: If Naomi is the overall choice to be dayvigged, I ask that you allow me to post before actually going through with it for this day phase.

I never suggested to use the 1 shot day vig on Naomi. I don't find her scummy. Even though it mentioned I got the shotgun I didn't get a PM or anything about it.

Ok but you understand that the village needs to direct where the shotgun blast goes today correct?

Of course. It's basically an extra lynch but without the night phase.

[Nyx]

I don't like how Nyx didn't answer about being compliant to town wishes for the day vig... Had I gotten the shotgun I would of been sorely tempted to just shoot Naomi but I would of waited and let the town direct my shot.

But I do agree with you that we should vote on this 1 shot vig opportunity.

From post 1153

I don't like how Lamont is again trying to make people look bad without reading fucking posts.

[Nyx]

@Nyx/Lamont: If Naomi is the overall choice to be dayvigged, I ask that you allow me to post before actually going through with it for this day phase.

I never suggested to use the 1 shot day vig on Naomi. I don't find her scummy. Even though it mentioned I got the shotgun I didn't get a PM or anything about it.

Ok but you understand that the village needs to direct where the shotgun blast goes today correct?

Of course. It's basically an extra lynch but without the night phase.

Ok, so if the village decides to vig Naomi then you're going ot go along with that right?

(I'm just documenting the fact that Nyx just browsed this forum and did not answer the above question)

Ball's in your court Nyx...

I already said I would vig the person who has the most votes. What do you want to hear more ? You're pushing something I already agreed on. How ironic you were doing the same with Steph.
But would you ? Would you let yourself get killed if you got the most votes ?

[Nyx]

I have a shotgun and Lamont has a shotgun shell. Those are all the publicly known items.
We added 1+1 and came to the conclusion this is a day vig combo.

[Nyx]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

[Nyx]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

Err, IIRC, she claimed one shot cop. What do you mean with his duty?

Slap me in the face please kthx.

Unvote

That's what you get for replying when you slept 1 hour learning for exams.

[Nyx]

To elaborate on that. I forgot she claimed 1 shot.

[Nyx]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

He is going to protect you during the DAY?

If you wan't I'll shoot the gun. I don't fear it.

I want to be very clear -- delaying the vig beyond today is the work of scum. Is that what you two are on about?

Hell no. Delaying the vig would be suicide since either one of us would be a likely target for a nightkill.

[Nyx]

Give shell to Nyx

Happy? And while you're at it you can unvote me too.

Received. Will catch up with these 2 interesting pages ASAP.

[Nyx]

Either the scum have no roleblocker or Amished is not really a doc. It's as simple as that. My argument was/is that a doc this overpowered + no scum roleblocker = imbalanced game.

Are you forgetting we had 2 kills in one night meaning there might be 2 parties attacking us townies. Not too forget that scum would rather roleblock a cop then someone that can protect.

@Everyone voting for Sironi
I'm almost 100% sure he's town.

@Sironi
Do you deserve to be here ?

[Nyx]

Vig Vote:Zwets

I don't like how you both want Sironi and Naomi dead for their claims only. Which both aren't scummy and haven't been counter claimed.

[Nyx]

Vig Vote:Zwets

I don't like how you both want Sironi and Naomi dead for their claims only. Which both aren't scummy and haven't been counter claimed.

I'm definitely not voting Siro for his claim.

Then for what reason are you voting for him ? I can't remember you mentioning anything else.

I don't see anything wrong with voting someone who claimed Vanillager for no reason. Its an anti-town thing to do.

He thought it could save his life even though as town it's not smart to claim vanilla.

@Nyx somewhere
How do you say that naomi's claim isn't scummy?

We all agree the claim was horrible but besides it being formulated badly I can't see anything scummy in it. Plus the fact that the claim is a very important role in the lore and no one counter claimed.

Do you deserve to be here ?

Whatcha mean by that? lol.

You claimed innocent vanilla so just wondering.

@Town
Are we going for a majority of the votes for the vig so that informed anti-town parties have less influence or just who has the most ?

[Nyx]

Xtoxm is seeming much more town recently.

Also, someone just have me prodded once all this vig nonsense is over with.

Only scum wouldn't want to evaluate another kill during the day.

[Nyx]

@Nyx:

Now that you have both the shell and shotgun together, do you have any additional info you can share about how they work?

I got a PM about me receiving it ( the shell ) and it said I could use it with a shotgun.

Where the hell btw did it say the Shotgun shell was a DAY ITEM. The decanter was a day item but it nowhere did it say the shell was a day item. So I don't understand the confusion.

@Rock: Rock what you're saying is that Lamont lied about the shotgun shell since you claim it's a day item. And thus I lied too since I confirmed getting the shell.
We all see the fear of it not working. Especially me with the fact it said it would only last 1 shot it might as well blow up in my face. But we can't miss the chance to use a dayvig since it gives a lot of information for the town.

[Nyx]

unvote, vote Devestation

My flip as vanilla innocent will not be an excuse to hunt Setael. My question in itself is not an excuse to hunt Setael. The reason why I went after Setael was because of his stereotype aggressive mafia reactions, and you should have probably figured that out.

You claim vanilla innocent just like siro. So you'll get the same question from me. Do you deserve to be here ?

[Nyx]

V/LA until Monday.

Didn't want to do this but have too, will be reading

( phone )

but can't post until then.

[Nyx]

Wow I said I would be V/LA and you hunt me down. Great work sherlock.
If you want proof of my V/LA I'll show you the work I had too do in my second year of Architecture. It's end of the semester and I have to get my points together else I get kicked out for not getting the required ammount needed.

Wow Lamont you're the biggest retard I've seen thus far. Making them VOTE for me, the person who has the dayvig. Seriously could you be more scum looking or what.

I haven't seen any statement of town saying a specific person should get vigged because they have the majority of the votes. So don't blame me for not vigging if the town hasn't decided yet. Just because I'm not here doesn't mean I'm not going to vig the person town picks. I don't see how it's scummy not to be here when the decision hasn't been made yet.

You guys need to keep order. Spreading chaos like you are doing now isn't going to help Town make the correct decision.

Vigvote: Steph,

I never understood why she got out of the picture after D1

[Nyx]

Just do it.

No. Majority of town is needed. If we go with just "a lot" of votes you'll see it's too easy for the informed minority to influence the votes. We talked about this earlier ( during the decanter options )

[Nyx]

As the group rushes in a mob towards the fireplace, Nyx tramples the stretching hands of Lamont and Devestation before grabbing the gun himself. "Looks like a pretty standard 8-bore shotgun. Rusty as hell, though. Probably fall apart after one shot."

I was rereading things so I could shoot properly. The shotgun shell is a 12 bore and the gun is a standaard 8 bore. I'm not gunsmart so can I use this combination to shoot ?

[Nyx]

I'll be away untill later this night ( Eurofag ). If someone can clear up that gun question I'll be shooting in about 10 hours. Since ZazieR is so trigger happy and wants results now to discuss. Which I agree with in certain extends.

[Nyx]

Well since we can't shoot or have confirmation we can shoot we're screwed untill mod reply. I don't like Pyro voting me for something that clearly is something that is troublesome.

Unvote:

She claimed and explained why she wasn't hunting naomi anymore. Sounds like fair claim to me don't know why zazier is hammering the innocent thing. thus far 2 other people claimed "innocent" in their VT claim. Would make sense then that her PM said something about protecting other innocents.

You're pushing very hard zazier. You even told me too just shoot and get it over with. Definitely a anti-town position you worked yourself in now.

FoS: zazier

[Nyx]

Mod can I use the 12 bore shotgun shell with the 8 bore shotgun ?

[Nyx]

Load 12 bore shotgun shell in 8 bore shotgun.
Shoot Devestation
Run for my life so that shit doesn't explode in my face :<

10 votes for Dev is over majority. Town has spoken lets hope it's for the better.