Mini 788 - Fantasy Mafia [OVER]

[Andycyca]

Vote: ortolan

Because I've never seen you

[Andycyca]

So, a bandwagon already?

Unvote, Vote GoatRevolt

ortolan made a very stupid OMGUS, null read. Goat is more experienced and is looking for a wagon to sting someone up quickly.

[Andycyca]

Geez, I really need to improve my sarcasm skills...

Unvote

Am I forgiven, ortolan?

[Andycyca]

Empking isn't a bad player and I can already vouch for his towniness 100%

Starbuck- no, there is no reason for him to be particularly likely to be scum, beyond my own whim.

Please, I think we've already gone through the silly discussion phase.

Vote: Ortolan

[Andycyca]

Sorry, been away all weekend. Will answer tomorrow (I'd appreciate any specific quesitons you may have besides the points already in the table)

[Andycyca]

Oh I see now. Here's what I meant: I didn't know whether your post was serious or not, but I assumed not, since we were already discussing meatier events. However, You were making a very weird statement (vouching for his towniness). Since we were already discussing non-jokes I read it as stalling other discussions. However, seems like my own vote originated much more discussion topics.

Hypocrisy? No sir, my actions up to 33 were joke (I even asked ortolan whether he had forgiven me) and when someone vouches for someone else's innocence on D1 looks fishy to me.

@goat: answered in 33. You merely put the second vote on me and then switched it quickly. I tried (and failed) joking about being opportunistic that early in the game. Is it clear now?

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Starbuck struck me as odd when bringing up Emp apparently out of nowhere. In 70 she says "just because" and in 80 she says "because he was being discussed". Why two different answers?

I didn't like the discussion on hypocrisy, mostly because it's theory, but OK might be useful.

Tony: do you have any real reason to vote me?

Mod: could we have some prods for orangepenguin, xofelf and Shadow?

[Andycyca]

EBWOP: That should say: Do you have any reason of yours to vote me?

[Andycyca]

So what was your point on TM? Do you still see him as scummy?

I thought his original vote on Andy was a stretching somewhat. He didn't even bother to learn whether or not Andy was joking or serious, just kind of jumped aboard.

I'm moderately suspicious of him, because he's basically just sat on his early Andy vote and hasn't really done much since.

Alot of eyebrows were raised concerning the vote, including yours, but I felt the lack of pressure. I thought it warranted a serious vote, and a way out of RVS. I didn't remove the vote, cause I didn't necessarily buy his explanation, and he hasn't really convinced since.

So it was a pressurevote? (if not, please answer my last question)

[Andycyca]

Anyone else think Andy and Goat are part of the scum team?

Got anything to back this up? (besides the discussion around my vote) Because we could try several potential scumpairs just by watching 2-person discussions (yours, for example)

(sorry for the doublepost, forgot to add this)

[Andycyca]

So it was a pressurevote? (if not, please answer my last question)

What's a "pressurevote"?

Voting just for putting some pressure on someone (usually to get said player to say something) Your post, quoted in 106 seems to confirm so. It was your second vote and you still haven't answered 97. So far, I've answered most of the things I've been accused of (whether they believe me or not is another matter)

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KMD: You voted me in 18 during "Random". Later on, in 87 you say that your vote is based on my poor-sarcasm vote. Now that I've explained myself (in 33 Why is your vote still on me? (no sarcasm here, I just want to check something)

Unvote

[Andycyca]

Andycya why did you unvote in 139?

Because even if he is suspicious of me , I don't find him scummy right now

[Andycyca]

Why start planning for D3? I think there are more important things to address right now. We'll eventually get to it.

[Andycyca]

@Andy- That's fine and dandy to say that, but without filling out the rest of the statement to go along with that, it's a fluff post at best. Who do you find most likely to be scum at the moment?

My

objective ey

e hasn't spotted anything particularly useful. The claim idea is suspicious, but not worth a vote, since he didn't push the situation. For those with even less content than me, no read/gut/whatever.

On the more active players (based on one-player threads):

Sudo: I've seen him staying focused to the points in discussion, which gives him protown points. However, he's had his vote on ortolan for quite some time but I don't see him asking any important questions, which strikes me as odd right now.

orto: discussing a lot with Sudo, voted me in 59, asked me in 109/110 then asks me about my unvote and then kindly reminds everyone that my lynch is more important (without giving any further reason to do so).

KMD: his attention is all over the place, questioning more than two players in D1, which is protown in my book (at this moment)

Don't have much time to carefully read the other threads (but I will do). Having read only these threads and without a proper reread of the whole game in one sit, orto stands as the scummier right now.

[Andycyca]

Vote: Empking

Bandwagoning.

Please expand.

[Andycyca]

Wow, now Zazier will be the first replacement in every game I'll mod.

Regarding Andy's vote against Orto, can you rephrase this part of your explanation:

Oh I see now. Here's what I meant: I didn't know whether your post was serious or not, but I assumed not, since we were already discussing meatier events. However, You were making a very weird statement (vouching for his towniness). Since we were already discussing non-jokes I read it as stalling other discussions.

Ok, here it is:

1. I didn't knew whether his post was serious or not
2. I read the overall discussions at that time. I find them as non-joke
3. I thought that, since we were already discussing relevant things, his post was either intentionally scummy or still random
4. I think that both attitudes are antitown, since they can stall discussion.

[Andycyca]

Party Weekend. Sorry guys, I'm catching up