Open 130 - Vengeful Mafia (Over!) before 762

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vote: mole

, who knows what he does in his cave.

Can we fast-forward over the Empking-policy-lynch-debate?

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I don't really see how that increases our chances, can you elaborate?

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Emp: Can you link us to said game?

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Nothing in there that explains why this is supposed to be a superior strategy.
I've come to the same conclusion as kelly chen: If MoS & pairs are decided on randomly (like armlx did in that game) the town's chances don't change at all.

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I think we should look back on MoS if we find an obvious townie.

If we find an obvious townie we'll not lynch him anyway (and he'll not get vigged either), so what's the point of making him MoS?

I don't think suggesting it would count as a tell though - I've not read through the whole thing, 'cos I'm lazy, but I imagine it would be pretty risky for scum too.

How is it risky?

Emp - If using the MOS idea doesn't change the town's chances of winning, why are we looking at how long it took zwet to disagree with it? Surely neither scum nor town would have a motive to agree (Or otherwise) with it?

Well, that's assuming he knew it would make no difference..

Three players hat me and want me lynched everygame I'm in.

i've nevah play'd in a game wit u b4 dawg... wich 3 playaz alwayz want u lynch'd?

One is obviously zwet, the other two are not in this game. I assume they are in the other game I'm in with emp.

i am becuming suspicious of tdc yo
he still haznt rly givin an opinion on ne1 & haz only done theery talk. dat seems scummy to me yo

Who has given an opinion on anyone?

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But the chance is there without it, too.

Or are you saying the chance is higher, because then you should actually be in favour of using the plan.

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I agree, but how can it be a risky move then?

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Whom do you think is he parroting?

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I find mole's claim that Emp's suggestion "would be risky for scum" (i.e. an argument for Emp being town) and subsequent back-pedal to

There's always risk for the scum that one of them is going to be lynched. I don't mean it's more risky - but the chance is still there.

more interesting than the zwet thing.
That is, if mole was scum, I'd be more inclined to think about Emp as his partner than zwet.

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In the same spirit I could claim that using the letter "s" is risky.
Because you know, if you use it, you can get lynched.

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In the same spirit I could claim that using the letter "s" is risky.
Because you know, if you use it, you can get lynched.

I don't get you. Can you explain further?

You claimed Emp proposing the plan was risky.
We've since established that it isn't actually more risky than not proposing it. Just like using the letter "s".

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- Do you think that my thoughts about MoS make me scum?

Not particularly. As I've said, if you're scum I'd find it more conceivable that you'd be Emp's partner than zwet's.

- Who do you think are the most probable scum right now?

Too early.

I've played with Zwet enough to know that's not town-zwet.

Mind pointing me to a scum game that exemplifies this?
I can't quite imagine there being two different levels of zwetness.

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Empking: Can you then point me to a town game where zwet is the kind of guy that answers everything that's asked of him?

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By the way, why didn't you propose the MoS-plan in the other (recently finished) Vengeful?

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He tries to be less blatant in his unhelpfulness.

That was my first game on the site, dumbfuck. Playstyles change.

I can't believe I have to warn someone over this.

Please don't insult other people.

Look at your join date.

It's less than half a year.
What's your point? That playstyles can only change over real time and not over amount of games played?

I see the difference in the game you've pointed to, but towards the end of it, it reads just like this one. I assume this is because by then he already was on his many-games-schedule.

By the way, I've found this recently finished game of him as scum (the first one, I guess): http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... t=#1588513

Is it what you're seeing here?

wudn't that make u think that maybe that person isnt answerin for a reason?

Like.. what?

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wudn't that make u think that maybe that person isnt answerin for a reason?

Like.. what?

since this game only has vigz n scum then maybe becuz that person iz scum

In which case mole voting him would be a good thing?

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Or maybe, you know, we're only on page 5.

unvote

feel free to self-hammer.

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Or maybe, you know, we're only on page 5.

unvote

feel free to self-hammer.

so u kno hez town?

?

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Could you first explain how "I know" is town?
I don't get it.

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Obviously if he self-hammers he can't self-vig either way.

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and.. ?
He said he wanted to hammer, because we didn't, being afraid of being vigged (which doesn't really imply that mole is town if you ask me, but whatever).
I didn't want him to hammer yet, so removed my mole vote so that his only option was a self-hammer.
I don't see how that means that I would've expected him to be able to vig (nevermind actually self-hammer).

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I thought you agreed with k9?

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The question, for the thousandth time, was why you needed so long to comment on the MoS-plan.

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Do you often lynch people this quickly on small things like that?

Or did you, well, know he was scum?

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And who'll be your pick for tomorrow?

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To lynch the other scum.

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This might be WIFOM, but what would Emp-scum gain by declaring mole and k9 town?
Even if he got me lynched, how would he survive another day?

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This might be WIFOM, but what would Emp-scum gain by declaring mole and k9 town?
Even if he got me lynched, how would he survive another day?

wut?

1) emp didnt even call me town tho yo

he sed ur scum, vote'd u, then sed 'k9 wudnt be afraid to hammah his buddy if scum'

I don't understand why he's calling you town either, but he's clearly said he's voting me by exclusion and not because he actually thinks I'm scummy.

also tdc if u dont think emp iz scum who do u think iz? if u think itz me lyk ur 1st post seem'd to make it seem then y rn't u votin me?

D1 was ridiculously short, so I don't really have a clear cut opinion of who's scum right now.
But you're certainly in the running as I could see scum hammer their buddy to gain town points and shorten D1 (if zwet's your buddy you kind of have to fear he'll make something bad and out you, right?).
I'm not anywhere near being convinced that Emp is town, either. I was just throwing that out there since mole seemed to buy into the "k9 and mole are confirmed" scheme.

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I know one thing, I'm not going to cast any kind of blame on myself when we lose this one.

This lynch is ridiculous.

Go town.

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For what it's worth, I wasn't sure it was k9 either.

Emp's reason for k9 being town making no sense and mole not even letting me respond to k9's "case" were good efforts of covering it up