Open 133 - Lovers Mafia (Over) before 771

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Vote:Zwet

For being in like every damn game in the queue

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I feel unloved...

Vote: Empking

Zwet by lynching you it only shows how popular you've become on mafiascum. So take your death as a compliment.

As for those games linked by Korts, I don't think I'll have much time to get to them this weekend. Maybe someone could give highlights if they're willing to take up the task.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I feel unloved...

Vote: Empking

Zwet by lynching you it only shows how popular you've become on mafiascum. So take your death as a compliment.

As for those games linked by Korts, I don't think I'll have much time to get to them this weekend. Maybe someone could give highlights if they're willing to take up the task.

I don't understand how getting policy lynched indicates popularity.

It doesn't I was just trying to make you feel better about it. I joke of course I enjoy you little Zwet.

And think all of the fear Empking would impose handing out post restrictions so easily. It's not a world I'd want to live in...

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I don't understand how the dice roll feature works frankly...anyone mind explaining the results?

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I thought you can't cheat the dice roles?

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Ok

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Lynx The Antithesis]

It changed from when I previewed it. When I previewed it the result was 6.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Not seeing the tunneling. There's only six people in the game and we've just started. It's much easier to focus on one individual to get us out of the random phase anyway. It was a rather obvious joke by Korts I feel.

You seem to be staking way too much into the policy lynch suggestion, Phily.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

What is this dice rolling you lot are doing?

Sekinj was using it to select a hypothetical lynch candidate for Day 1. As a means to spark discussion at least.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Instead of random voting or analyzing play style?

I haven't read all the previous Lovers games yet, but I seem to recall that the optimal strategy is a random lynch Day 1.

How is it anymore optimal then selecting a lynch based off discussion further along in the day?

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I think zwet's reaction to phily's defense of him is interesting.

Yeah I felt something similar like he was trying a little too hard to cut all connections with Phily with post 55 and 57.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Still waiting to hear Zwet's explanation of the "framing" remark... some good points by Santos.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I agree with Korts logic, and it looks like Phily is doing exactly what he's describing, but to frame me, not bus me. Also, Santos, usually you're not going to get more than a sentence or two out of me.

How is challenging a policy lynch of you and questioning the dice that landed on you framing you in anyway?

[Lynx The Antithesis]

[quote="Korts"]Hm. I'm not really convinced of a zwet-Phily team anymore. We have to consider that scum are lovers, and zwet has shown willingness to go after Phily.

unvote, vote: Phily

I expect your support, zwet.[/quote/]

Zwet's shown a willingness, but I still find it curious he didn't vote Phily initially. Zwet strikes me as the type of player who would throw down his vote as soon as he sees something scummy. The lack of the forementioned vote makes me believe that his points against Phily were just distancing.

Now on the opposite hand, if Zwet had voted as soon as people called him out on it. Then, I'd see him as trying to appease the town. However, Zwet stood hesitated which gives him a little credit to me.

Korts, why are you voting Phily exactly?

[Lynx The Antithesis]

EBWOP

I always forget to preview

Hm. I'm not really convinced of a zwet-Phily team anymore. We have to consider that scum are lovers, and zwet has shown willingness to go after Phily.

unvote, vote: Phily

I expect your support, zwet.

Zwet's shown a willingness, but I still find it curious he didn't vote Phily initially. Zwet strikes me as the type of player who would throw down his vote as soon as he sees something scummy. The lack of the forementioned vote makes me believe that his points against Phily were just distancing.

Now on the opposite hand, if Zwet had voted as soon as people called him out on it. Then, I'd see him as trying to appease the town. However, Zwet stood hesitated which gives him a little credit to me.

Korts, why are you voting Phily exactly?

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Mod, I was quoting Korts, but the tags got messed up. He's the one who voted. My current vote still stands.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

EBWOP

I always forget to preview

Hm. I'm not really convinced of a zwet-Phily team anymore. We have to consider that scum are lovers, and zwet has shown willingness to go after Phily.

unvote, vote: Phily

I expect your support, zwet.

Zwet's shown a willingness, but I still find it curious he didn't vote Phily initially. Zwet strikes me as the type of player who would throw down his vote as soon as he sees something scummy. The lack of the forementioned vote makes me believe that his points against Phily were just distancing.

Now on the opposite hand, if Zwet had voted as soon as people called him out on it. Then, I'd see him as trying to appease the town. However, Zwet stood hesitated which gives him a little credit to me.

Korts, why are you voting Phily exactly?

Actually no, sekinj. Both of these games reminded me of McCarthyism. This quoted post contains it quite thorougly, particularly the second paragraph.

Well the second paragraph was giving you townie points. I was just weighing both options equally.

In regards to the other Zwet thing, policy lynches are really unacceptable to me. I don't find them fair whatsoever. You might want to try to limit your games somewhat, but if you feel you can do it, then nobody has a right to stop you as long as you can keep up.

Maybe a little more than one liners would help your play Zwet.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I feel like this game has degenerated into a friendly discussion...scum hunting seriously needs to start up again.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Sorry long long long weekend starting basically on thursday(gotta love college). I have a huge test tomorrow so I'm gonna have to cram tonight. Catch up post coming tomorrow afternoon.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

It's way too obvious that there is some sort of connection between Phily and Zwet. Both of them have switched opinions back and forth on each other so I think either of them would be a profitable lynch at this point.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Lynx - so do you think that zwet is the better choice? right now it looks liek the votes are mainly divided between them.

Well I feel Zwet has gone out of his way to overtly distance himself from Phily like 147. It just strikes me as scummy even from Zwet. So until I see Phily's response right now yes I see Zwet as a better choice than Phily.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Looking back over Day 1, I definitely feel Phily's "180" was overhyped.

I'm reading the new stuff now but have nothing really to say, Zwet needs to take time and explain himself at this point.

Now this came after Kort's post 130 and 132 where he illustrated that Zwet failed to explain the switch and hardly anyone accepted it at all. Phily was obviously convinced by Korts that Zwet needed more explanation so he asked.

Phily - I really don't like it that your last post was to push suspicion off on zwet. Before that you gave no indication that he ever did anything wrong...

Vote: Phily

I'm still waiting for an answer...

After this Phily was pushed a little much about his "180" post . I think the large culprit in this is Sekinj. In this quote, she voted Phily before he even responded and mischaracterizes Phily's post as pushing suspicion on to Zwet when all he asked for was an explanation.

Also, should be noted that Zwet used this new push on Phily to avoid actually explaining his change of mind again. Right now I'm leaning towards a town Zwet though based off his interactions with Phily.

Santos did have pretty bad logic in his vote on Phily, but I'm debating whether scum would try to ride a townie's logic to another lynch the next day.

Right now I'm looking at Sekinj as one lover and the other one will be filled after Sekinj's lynch. I won't vote just yet until I'm positive to avoid the chance of a scum doggy pile after my vote.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

I was tired of waiitng for him to answer and thought a vote would help spur him along. I DO think he was defending zwet and then only after everyone else pointed out zwet's wishy-washy-ness, did phily call him on it. i thought it was very out of the blue. up until then, phily dismissed any suspicion on zwet as goign after him for the policy lynch.

He didn't call him on anything. All he did was ask for an explanation from Zwet. Twice you have classified it as suspecting Zwet. Once when you voted him and another when you justified your vote in post 172. You blew that Phily post way out of proportion.

I'm thinking in a Santos-sekinj team at the moment, considering sekinj's accusations against me that were downright false in some places; it smells like a chainsaw defense of Santos, and a desperate one at that--she seems to try very hard to throw shit at me.

Funny how both people you suspect attacked you.

I'd like to hear what you think about Zwet.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

@lynx - why would you be asking those kinds of questions to someone if you didnt' suspect them? He never asked anything of zwet until in post 133 where he asks zwet to explain himself. Until then phily was excusing everything he did PLUS saying that everyone else's suspicion was just based on wanting a policy lynch. I think it IS a stretch to go from absolute defense to telling zwet to defend himself. PLUS you even agreed that both player's opinins were on a roller coaster in post 146.

You can ask questions for numerous reason like clarification or for pressure. Simply because he didn't ask him something earlier doesn't mean it's wrong for him to ask at that point. You're overexaggerating how far Phily went with the policy lynch. He didn't use it to dismiss every argument thrown at Zwet. There weren't even that many points against Zwet at that point. He was suspicious of Korts based off of it. Asking to explain yourself and defend yourself aren't always the same. Zwet had already admitted to changing his mind. Phily wanted the reason for this change. He was influenced by Kort's post I can tell. As for my post 146 I do admit that both lynches would be profitable and Phily's was just that. The change of opinions part was more regarding Zwet, but did touch on Phily somewhat. I didn't look as closely at the "180" as I did after his lynch.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

You're right, I stayed up all night to camp out for your post specifically attacking me by pairing me up with a player who's attacking me and whom I am attacking back, just so I can refute your weak point. I predicted all this, yet it is my downfall.

I laughed at this.

Not ready to lay my vote down until I hear from Santos. Zwet should at least give some reasons besides simply just predicting pairs and throwing down votes.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

My thinking is a Sekinj/Santos pair right now. More minor possibilty in a Sekinj/Korts couple.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Hey guys I see I have plenty to address, but today's no good at all. I'm way too busy. Tomorrow or very latest Monday I'll get a post in so just bear with me.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Post coming tomorrow so hang in there everybody.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Lynx wrote:
Right now I'm looking at Sekinj as one lover and the other one will be filled after Sekinj's lynch. I won't vote just yet until I'm positive to avoid the chance of a scum doggy pile after my vote.

Lynx is obviously dishing WIFOM or else he would see that Sekinj is incredibly scummy at this point in the game. He is ignoring her as he neglected zwet on Day 1. This is where I'm sort of torn as to who Lynx would more likely be partnered with: sekinj/swet.

I do see Sekinj is scummy. Hence why I made a post illustrating exactly this point focusing largely on her attack on Phily. How in any way have I ignored Sekinj? Or Zwet for that matter? Lastly how is this WIFOM? You're making a lot of vague comments with nothing to back it up here.

. As suggested, i skimmed over a few of them and the answer is dire: lynch the lurkers (or in this case anyone who acts like zwet or Lynx or Sekinj are doing) It was obvious on Day 1 as it is obvious today. I feel that Lynx is riding it out and waiting for us to make a mistake. He is not committing a vote at this time because he wants to know what everyone else will vote before he votes; same with zwet and sekinj. IMO, this is overly cautious and entirely condemnable as scum because he wants to vote immediately after a townie votes for the wrong person. However, since zwet and sekinj are hot topics now on both days, he is careful to wait and see what happens.

Classifying my play as lurking is quite the stretch I think. It's even more of a reach to call half of the player's play in this game lurky. You think you and Korts have moved this game along all by yourself?

The reason I've hesitated in my vote is because we're in lynch or lose. I think cautiousness is very warranted in this situation. If I want to hear from everybody especially you before I make a final call, then I don't think thats scummy whatsoever. I'm not gonna lay my vote down prematurely and have two scum quicklynch. It's just not a smart play to vote so soon in the day before I see discussion which would be useful if Sekinj is scum for drawing connections the next day. So either way voting early will be foolish. Voting town-Sekinj could end up in a quicklynch and lynching scum-sekinj early takes away discussion which aids in our evaluation of her partner.

Korts, you need to make the right decision this time. Sekinj and zwet are the second scummiest in my eyes, but it is Lynx that is tanning in the sun while watching us burn each other.

You will notice that Sekinj is in no way going to attack Lynx, but at the same time zwet is avoiding any address at Lynx as well. Its a difficult decision to make, but one of them is protecting Lynx. I see Lynx with either zwet or sekinj, but it has to be zwet moreso because Lynx was in no part ready to go after zwet in any part of the game. However, my accusation that zwet is Lynx's partner is troubled because of my suggestion that Lynx is weary in applying his vote on sekinj, who he apparently finds most scummy right now. Funny huh?

First off, why is Sekinj not going to attack me? Just because she hasn't yet doesn't mean she won't. Maybe she had no points to attack me with because I'm not scummy? How is Zwet avoiding any address towards myself?

I'm not sure what game you're reading, but I went after Zwet Day 1. He was basically the only one I even expressed any suspicion towards. I thought his blatant distancing from Phily was scummy and I made many posts reflecting these thoughts. Again I was weary to vote because of lynch or lose. Perhaps you should go back and reread day 1. You said early that I don't see Sekinj is scummy, but now you're saying I find her most scummy? Why this turnaround?

Korts/lynx and korts/santos are my top pairings, not that anyone is listening

I'd entertain these calls if you gave some reasoning behind these pairings. I'd like to hear why you think Korts or Santos is scum. Especially Korts considering he's in both. I will hammer you if you don't convince me well enough and after I've received a sufficient to satisfy me from Santos.

Side note: Zwet's new avatar is too badass for his playstyle.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

My sekinj/santos vibes are getting stronger...

[Lynx The Antithesis]

THEN VOTE SEKINJ, NOT SANTOS!!!

I want both to respond before I vote

[Lynx The Antithesis]

@Lynx, what?

Every question I posed in my response to your attack against me. Did you read my post?

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Calm down Zwet there's no rush we have no deadline. I'd like to give Sekinj one last shot to convince me of any of the claims she have proposed. If she fails she will be voted most likely. Santos will be looked at pending how or rather if he replies as well.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Vote:Sekinj

I'm satisfied with lynching sekinj now. Sekinj, I wanted to hear your reasons for your pairings. I just don't find them likely. Korts comes off town to me at the moment. Why aren't you voting Santos? It's pretty much between you two now and the fact that you haven't voted him despite suspicion makes me find the pairing more likely.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

1) Ignoring, IMO, is not humoring us with a vote on who you suspected. You were just simply waiting. I'm not sure how to read that as pro town when you certainly see her being scum at the end of this day; or me for that matter! Something is just ticking my scumdar about your hesitation :/

I think then you have a very poor definition of ignoring. Just because I didn't vote immediately means nothing. I want to hear what the person I attack has to say before I lay down my vote. I may have been suspicious of Sekinj. However no suspicion I have is 100% accurate and of course I wasn't absolutely certain. Plus, I wanted to get a read on everybody before I applied it. My suspicion is always subject to change. And it's typical of my play if you look over it. I waited for you and Sekinj to respond before I finally put it down.

2) Zwet was ignored when everyone decided Phily was going to turn up scum. I even mentioned before I laid the hammer that we would definitely figure out who scum was Day 2 by finding out what Phily was.

I never said Phily was going to turn up scum! You're applying the general consensus to me. I thought Zwet was the summier out of the two and made a post reflecting this. I did not ignore Zwet, but perhaps all of you did including yourself.

3)'I won't vote just yet until I'm positive to avoid the chance of a scum doggy pile after my vote. ' I considered this WIFOM because you appear to be acting town instead of putting a vote on sekinj. If you were so convinced she was scum, then why wouldn't you just vote? Obviously, you're extremely skeptical, or in fact her partner trying to avoid voting her and seeing zwet and korts and myself pile right on.

This is not WIFOM first of all. Second of all, it's a basic fact that scum can pile on to win in a lynch or lose situation. Thats why you don't vote until you're absolutely positive. Korts even made a post saying "don't vote" because its common sense. You keep repeating that I was absolutely positive when I never even expressed such confidence. I was just leaning towards Sekinj she was most scummy after Day 1 I felt. Also, why would townies pile right on?

So your 1 post every now and then qualifies as participating actively? Its strange that you even agreed with me at one point during the game on Day 1. And zwet's 1 liners, and sekinj's blatant lurking isn't going to fall under that category of avoiding game play as much as possible? If that isn't true, then I am wrong, but its just what I've observed in this *corner* of the thread.

I never said my play was lurking on Day 1. I definitely feel I've posted as much game material at least as you. Posts like I "touch myself to this thread" aren't exactly helping your case on this point day 1. If this is your opinion, then I can't really argue this one. But I still feel it's a stretch.

When, at any time during this game, have they called you out on anything? When has ANYONE but myself done this? I re-read the thread and you seem entirely suspect! Its just what I've found as scummy

Just because no one has called me out on anything doesn't mean anything. Thats like a variation of the "too townie" attack. Maybe to you I seem suspect. Others don't have to agree with your points.

Why are we in Day 2 and you're not going after zwet now? I would like to know that actually.

I doubt you're going to be 'satisfied' with those responses. Why? Because the way I've viewed the game and how I've been observing your play, just indicates me that you're a very clever scum waiting idly by for a chance to strike

I'm not going after Zwet today because all my suspicion yesterday was based off Phily. Zwet was hardcore distancing from Phily. However, considering he came up town all those suspicions went out the window. I said both were a profitable lynch, and they were because they cleared each other respectively. This is why Zwet is town.

I am satisfied that you at least elaborated on your points. Though I find them poor and rather incriminating on your part.

I'm feeling more and more sure of this scum team.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Oh and Santos it should be obvious to you if you're town that me and Zwet are both town. If we were scum we both could have switched our votes to you and hammered for a scum win.

There's also a possibility then that you and Zwet are scum together since he didn't hammer you. But I don't stake too much into that theory

[Lynx The Antithesis]

My bad it was about you so I instinctively put your name in it. It's from Santos like the rest of the quotes.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Good job town I feel like we nailed it day 2 we had both pretty pinned. Nice attempt to muddy me Santos, but it was too late. I was fairly certain Sekinj was scum and then Santos more later. Can I get a high five too guys I felt I helped a little at least...

Thanks emp

[Lynx The Antithesis]

High5! Damn it feels good.