Mini 753 - Really Deep South (Game over!)

[neko2086]

vote:vollkan

We need a good rival bandwagon here methinks.

[neko2086]

Hmm. EK, do you not see any possible merit in a random bandwagon?

[neko2086]

Makes sense, EK. Thanks for clarifying. I see merit in your case, but vollkan's reactions have been just fascinating so far.

Vollkan's initial response to Korts seemed

mostly

joking/sarcastic at first, but the more defensive he gets, the less I'm sure.

[neko2086]

Yeah, but we're on page two... I just think vollkan's reactions are a bit much, especially following a random vote with joke reasons.

[neko2086]

ebwop: we're on page three, obviously, but still

[neko2086]

The opening post just seems odd, but this is the part I like the least:

Vote: vollkan

for modding AA mafia, which was a great game!

So, you not only make NO comment about EK claiming scum, but you also join a lame alternative wagon. Why? Are you frightened of wagoning Korts?

Defending oneself is fine, obviously. Overreacting is cause for concern, but not necessarily scummy in itself, I'd agree. This here, however, is on the verge of deflecting, which bothers me.

This, of course, is all preliminary. The portion that you quoted rings more of the sarcasm I'd expect in reaction to random BWs. Not that sarcasm is necessary or the appropriate response, but it seems more of a natural reaction.

[neko2086]

Rofl- is that to say you think vollkan is scummy?

Carn- Seein's how that's the 4th vote on malthusis, care to say something about your vote?

[neko2086]

vollkan, is there anything besides omgus behind your vote on me?

[neko2086]

Just making sure, in case you forgot, or in case that was just a sneaky way to make a random vote permanent.

[neko2086]

Hm. I don't know how ABR's claim can be anything more than a null-tell. This discussion is getting real WIFOMy real fast.

ABR, now that you've made your entrance, could you share some thoughts on who you think is scum?

[neko2086]

Sorry for the double post, but CarnCarn, is that all you have for us so far?

[neko2086]

It's page 6, still pretty early, so all I'm asking is that we get something more than "Hi, I'm the miller" from you. I know you wanted to claim early, which makes sense to me, but I'm just hoping that's not all we get before we get too far along here.

We also need CarnCarn to put himself out there. I just really don't like getting too far into discussion w/o everyone having put themselves on the line to some extent, lest someone be sitting back and watching the action take place. This is why I didn't like rofl's comment, which basically allowed him to stay on the vollkan wagon w/o drawing too much attention to it.

Also, ABR, are you saying my one-liners are void of content or use? Do you think there's no utility to being concise when asking certain questions or making certain comments?

You'll get more from me soon, don't worry.

[neko2086]

DGB, if you think the vollkan wagon is nothing but rubbish, why are you just bringing this up now? Do you have arguments against the points brought up against him that would help convince us that they're rubbish?

[neko2086]

It would be hypocritical for either of us to request immediate and expansive contributions from the other. I think everyone enjoys some space to reflect, go through a couple scenarios, and post their suspicions when they are ready to expose their findings.

I completely agree. I'm not trying to say otherwise. It's too early for a well-thought out and comprehensive analysis, but this game doesn't go anywhere unless everyone at least sticks their toes in the water, and I'm just trying to make sure you're not still sitting on the shore.

You say you're not attacking me, but you were pretty quick to dismiss my one-liner posts. Are one-liner posts always useless or contentless, and if not, were mine?

[neko2086]

EK will be missed


Vollkan, it's the defensiveness that makes me think you weren't joking in your opening post.

If you look at my post 59, you'll get a more accurate idea of what I think of defensiveness.


Anyway, it's those first few posts of yours I like the least. I think my vote is better served elsewhere.

unvote; vote: CarnCarn

Also, where is Malthusis?


Just to note:

V/LA through 3/14

. See sig.

[neko2086]

Wait, I don't know if I believe rofl

Is this just gut instinct or what? We don't want to waste a lynch here.

[neko2086]

Gotcha.

unvote; vote: ABR

[neko2086]

sorry for the double post, but CarnCarn, you promised a post a few evenings ago that hasn't come up until now. Just thought you could use some motivation.

[neko2086]

Ack! Sorry, I finally got some access for a little bit. Let me claim at least, then you can replace me. It's important that I do it.

[neko2086]

I'm the jailkeeper. The reason why I was a little confused yesterday was because I imprisoned ABR (I'll explain why in a bit). The fact that he was talking with the mod didn't even register with me as something to take note of, so I was wondering how rofl could be so sure ABR was scum. I thought rofl might have said he was a target sensor or something and was roleblocked by ABR or something, in which case he'd probably be lying unless I was roleblocked by someone. Otherwise, I thought rofl might just be going off gut or making a brash statement. After ABR's statement about talking to the mod was pointed out, that made more sense.

Now, I chose ABR because after thinking about how the role works, and trying to scope out how others have used the role in the past, it seems like the choice has to keep the following in account:

1. The target will be protected (good if town, bad if scum)
2. The target will be roleblocked (bad if town, good if scum)
3. Anyone targeting the target will be blocked (the ramifications of this depend on who is targeting whom and what their intentions are--lots of variables)

ABR seemed like a really good choice because it eliminates lots of possibility for collateral damage because:
1. No investigative role is going to waste their time with ABR. I get to avoid blocking results
2. If he was scum, obviously, he might have sent in the NK and be blocked (this is partially why I was resistant to the lynch, though he probably wasn't going to send in the kill anyway even if he did live)

The one thing I did overlook was the protecting ability. For some reason, I thought it might be possible that scum would try to take out a miller, especially if everyone seemed to believe his claim (which I think most of us leaned toward).

I've never had this role before, so I decided that hedging my bets was the best way to play this round. After I could get a better read on people, I'd hopefully have better success in using the role effectively, and have a better idea whether protecting or roleblocking is more important.


Feedback is appreciated.

[neko2086]

No one targeting ABR was one of the reasons I chose him. I didn't want to interfere with investigations. Did you actually read what I wrote?

[neko2086]

K, so you think I'm much more likely to be making this up than to have made a mistake out of ignorance?

[neko2086]

rofl, no. I don't think the morning phase is over yet anyway.

[neko2086]

Ugh. Now I'm really confused. I did jail ABR, and early on too. That's why I didn't believe rofl right away, but then the thing about ABR talking to the mod was pointed out, and I thought that's what rofl was referring to...

rofl must have checked out abr before I imprisoned him, or I was roleblocked.

Haven't jailed anybody yet. Again, didn't jail rofl as he didn't look like an obvious target. Why would I think he's an obvious target when I jailed ABR?

[neko2086]

I should have just had myself replaced. I really didn't have time to think things through very well.


In case you don't lynch me,

I'm requesting replacement

. Even when I do get back, I don't think I have the time for this anymore.


Ciao.