Open 111- Immunity Mafia: Mod abandon

[don_johnson]

let wall-e defend himself, please. if he is scum then we don't need to group claim. what he said wasn't all that clear. way to give him an out.

unvote, vote zorblag

for general douchebagginess.

Is this a serious vote?

do you think its a serious vote?

what i meant was that i cannot believe the town is pushing this

i hope that clears things up

not in the least. point has been rendered moot by zorblags defense. if town isn't pushing this, then why are you not voting for zorblag? oh, nevermind. you are. i guess that clears things up.

[hohum]

let wall-e defend himself, please. if he is scum then we don't need to group claim. what he said wasn't all that clear. way to give him an out.

unvote, vote zorblag

for general douchebagginess.

Is this a serious vote?

do you think its a serious vote?

It looks like a serious vote to me. It's way too late in the game to be throwing joke votes around, and "doucebagginess" isn't real justification for a vote.

[orangepenguin]

Vanilla: I have only my smarts and a voice.

I cannot believe the town is pushing this.

vote: wall-e

how in the hell do you know that the TOWN is pushing this?

vote: don jon

First he starts the claim without a full consensus (which seemed to be wait until day 2 and go group claims for powerroles). Then votes Wall-E for calling him town. Slip? Then he quickly changes his vote to Zorblog for "douchbaginness" which besides not even being a word, but is a matter of an opinion and his reasoning sucks.

I found it odd that Wall-E seems to be opposed of the claim, but claims anyways after only two people claim..I don't know. It wasn't as if everyone was behind it at that point. Just two.


As for the claim, since we're doing it anyways... I am a vanilla.

[don_johnson]

I found it odd that Wall-E seems to be opposed of the claim, but claims anyways after only two people claim..I don't know. It wasn't as if everyone was behind it at that point. Just two.

yes, i noticed this, and i also noticed that what wall-e posted sounded like him saying he knew that "town" was pushing for this group claim and that he couldn't believe it. zorblag, instead of letting wall-e answer my accusation, stepped in and defended him and then pushed for more of the claim. don't you think its worth stopping the claim process to investigate a "scummy" post?

so yes. my vote is serious.

douchebagginess : doosh-bah-gee-nes
1. being a douchebag.
2. an adjective describing general scummy behavior.
3. not seeing the benefit of investigating questionable posts in lieu of what amounts to a group claim which is going to out all of towns power roles.

i claimed because i'm vanilla and the group claim doesn't sound like an absolutely horrible idea, but zorb's persistence in pushing for the claim to occur before any votes or discussion takes place seems like he won't be content until he knows what everyone is.

proceed.

[Zorblag]

The claims we've got so far (please correct any mistakes I've made):

Vanilla (8): don_johnson, Empking's Alt, hohum, Jahudo, Kieraen, Kmd4390, orangepenguin, Wall-E

Investigation (1): Zorblag

Protection (0):

Unclaimed (9): animorpherv1, Brocktree, Caboose, killa nine, Light-kun, magisterrain, Magua, ThAdmiral, zwetschenwasser

I thought it would be clear that once we've started a group claim (and especially once we've had almost a third of the players participate) it is much worse to stop the claim in the middle and lynch scum than it is to finish the claim and lynch the scum after that. If we stop before all the claims are in then we've given the scum teams information about everyone who has claimed which helps them but we haven't given the power roles the information they need to make good decisions. Even if we had definite scum now we should finish the claim before lynching them. Further, the more discussion that occurs mid claim the more we're giving the scum to help them decide if they want to fake claim and how they want to do it.

There was a reason that I said:

Even if it sounds like a good idea there should not be any claims until we've heard opinions (doing it half way would be much worse than not doing it at all I suspect.)

and

Clearly no one should do any claiming at all till we discuss it ...

The discussion was important up until the claim started. I certainly didn't push for the claim to start when it did but once it started getting through the claim while giving the scum as little to work with became more important.

As such, I'll be happy to talk to don_johnson about the Wall-E issue once the claim is done; if he wants to vote for me for it now then I'll live with that. What I don't want is extra discussion about suspicion and more votes during the claim.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[orangepenguin]

There are only 9 Vanilla in this game currently, with 8 people claiming vanilla. 9 remain unclaimed still, so odds are that scum have claimed vanilla, or will be claiming vanilla if they haven't already. Unless they want to risk a claiming a powerrole.

[don_johnson]

@ zorblag: i understand what you are getting at, i would prefer it if you let players answer questions and accusations directed to them. in other words: mind ya business.

sorry, i did start the claim. how douchebaggy of me.

[Light-kun]

Investigative group

I think Wall-E and the reaction to that statement is null. The vote Zorb is interesting, yet uncalled for since a good deal of town went with it.

[zwetschenwasser]

Protective

[Wall-E]

let wall-e defend himself, please. if he is scum then we don't need to group claim. what he said wasn't all that clear. way to give him an out.

unvote, vote zorblag

for general douchebagginess.

Is this a serious vote?

do you think its a serious vote?

Answer the question.

[zwetschenwasser]

don looks a little too flipfloppy to me.

[killa seven]

Protection

[Zorblag]

so yes. my vote is serious.

He did answer. And can we please hold off on this until we've had all the claims. I meant what I said about discussion now giving the scum more information about whether and how to claim while the claim was in progress. If people are active then we should be done with the claim stage soon and can get back to attacks on each other. There are just 6 claims left to go. The information will still be there.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Wall-E]

SHUT UP ZORBLAG

jesus man have you never played this game or what?!




he

didn't

answer the question

he pointedly tried to deflect the question

unvote: vote: don_johnson

[Wall-E]

Investigative group

I think Wall-E and the reaction to that statement is null. The vote Zorb is interesting, yet uncalled for since a good deal of town went with it.

Luckily for me, you don't get to decide what is called-for.

[zwetschenwasser]

What's that supposed to mean?

[ThAdmiral]

this is such a bad idea

vanilla

[zwetschenwasser]

Why the contradiction?

[Caboose]

I was against the massclaim, but it seems like it's already happening.

Vanilla.

[don_johnson]

I found it odd that Wall-E seems to be opposed of the claim, but claims anyways after only two people claim..I don't know. It wasn't as if everyone was behind it at that point. Just two.

yes, i noticed this, and i also noticed that what wall-e posted sounded like him saying he knew that "town" was pushing for this group claim and that he couldn't believe it. zorblag, instead of letting wall-e answer my accusation, stepped in and defended him and then pushed for more of the claim. don't you think its worth stopping the claim process to investigate a "scummy" post?

so yes. my vote is serious.

douchebagginess : doosh-bah-gee-nes
1. being a douchebag.
2. an adjective describing general scummy behavior.
3. not seeing the benefit of investigating questionable posts in lieu of what amounts to a group claim which is going to out all of towns power roles.

i claimed because i'm vanilla and the group claim doesn't sound like an absolutely horrible idea, but zorb's persistence in pushing for the claim to occur before any votes or discussion takes place seems like he won't be content until he knows what everyone is.

proceed.

the bolded is my answer. the rest is explanation. clearly posted after your question and before your vote in which you accuse me of not answering. please explain yourself. if you have another question i am happy to answer.

there is nothing wrong with flip floppy. the game of mafia is an everchanging environment. to be inflexible to suspicions is to be playing with blinders on.

for example:

unvote, vote: wall-e

not omgus. for lying by saying and/implying that i didn't answer a question which i clearly did.

[zwetschenwasser]

It is kinda OMGUS...

[killa seven]

It is kinda OMGUS...

More then kinda.. it is.

[Empking's Alt]

If he has a proper reson then its not OMGUS.

[Wall-E]

Don: Your answer seemed insincere to me.

[Wall-E]

I found it odd that Wall-E seems to be opposed of the claim, but claims anyways after only two people claim..I don't know. It wasn't as if everyone was behind it at that point. Just two.

yes, i noticed this, and i also noticed that what wall-e posted sounded like him saying he knew that "town" was pushing for this group claim and that he couldn't believe it. zorblag, instead of letting wall-e answer my accusation, stepped in and defended him and then pushed for more of the claim. don't you think its worth stopping the claim process to investigate a "scummy" post?

so yes. my vote is serious.

(upon a re-read, this is not what i thought i saw when i first read this post. i retract my statement. i'm just mad that the town made me claim)

douchebagginess : doosh-bah-gee-nes
1. being a douchebag.
2. an adjective describing general scummy behavior.
3. not seeing the benefit of investigating questionable posts in lieu of what amounts to a group claim which is going to out all of towns power roles.

i claimed because i'm vanilla and the group claim doesn't sound like an absolutely horrible idea, but zorb's persistence in pushing for the claim to occur before any votes or discussion takes place seems like he won't be content until he knows what everyone is.

proceed.

But everything after that (parenthetical) bit seems off. Your reason for voting zorblag is... what again? Douchebaggyness? If you disagree with the plan, why are you going along with it?