Mini 737 - Hack Poetry Mafia (Game Over)

[Budja]

Well, quite obviously
it does seem to me
that the scum has to be
Azarei, you see?

vote: Azhrei

[Budja]

Wolf's statement seems to be a joke,
cast in the spirit of a random vote.

However I must say, I cannot pretend
that I want the random voting stage to soon end.
So I will join your bandwagon here
in the hope that some scummy signs do soon appear.

unvote,vote: Wolfblitzer

I say loud,
lets see what you have to say now!



This rhyming is fun to do, that is true
but their comes a point where it just confuses you.

Scumtells, I think will be hard to find
mixed up in all of this rhyme
(That said, I certainly won't be the first one
to cause the rhyming pattern to be undone )

[Budja]

To be honest, all the rhyming was confusing the hell out of me, so it is hard to comment on them.

I added a third vote to provoke proper discussion. It did .

[Budja]

I didn't realise Ice was being serious on his suspicion, maybe more serious than a complete random vote but not much. It was page 2!

I am definitely not trying to piggyback on his suspicions. My third vote was a push to escape the random stage. It was badly done, I'll admit and my choice of words were influenced by trying to make it rhyme.

[Budja]

"That he voted a target in expectation of later seeing scum tells rather than based off of something he thought was scummy."

I don't see anything wrong with this, this is no worse than a random vote. The fault I made was to declare the vote was pretty meaningless. People's responses when votes are placed on them are a large part (IMO) of finding scumtells.

I disagree with you on this point. My fault was not my action but the fact I openly displayed my reason. Saying a vote is for pressure reduces the pressure and makes the vote meaningless,

that was poor playing I did there

, I will admit that.

Sparking discussion and seeking scumtells are not fundamentally different reasons and I did have both in mind.

[Budja]

Look at all the comments and suspicions flying on the previous page Springlullaby, if you have no opinion you are either have to be lying or haven't read the thread properly.

[Budja]

I have to say I don't really like the fhq case.
Fhq said that he considered me a scapegoat after I had stated my actions.
I think he was just trying to stop the town becoming too tunnel-visioned, not that that was a problem in this case. A few people have also at least partly accepted my explanation (e.g Spolium,Lynx). I don't see why fhq should be singled out here.

I think Ice9 is playing very aggressively and is willing to push hard to find scumtells by your attempted pressure on Wolf, me and Spolium. I do not think Spolium has played scummily but I definitely do not suspect Ice9 for pushing so hard as it is consistent with his earlier play style.

[Budja]

Earlier as in his attacks on Wolf and me, not meta.

[Budja]

I think I can see the situation and it looks fairly trivial to me.

The part I did not read in, was interpreting the scapegoat comment as "if Budja is town, Goat/whoever attacking is scum".

I feel that you are pressing rather hard on this as I feel that fhq didn't mean to accuse anyone with those words. He didn't follow up and attack anyone and instead wanted to look at the lurkers.
So this makes me think that he thought that I may be being overly focused on for something he didn't consider very scummy.

I think, that the use of the word scapegoat was misleading and not what he intended given the context of the rest of the post as I said above.

[Budja]

I agree with Lynx in that Jebus's vote was probably a pressure vote.
However saying, "the reasoning should be obvious", leaves this open to interpretation which I really don't like. Could you clarify this Jebus.

[Budja]

I did not consider Ice's vote on Wolf to be serious, I would have noted it otherwise.

Glad someone shares my point of view here.

[Budja]

I going to interpret that post in that you are planning to post later. ^

[Budja]

Well I guess no-one can criticize you for lack of content anymore. That post was very insightful.

You do make a good point that I haven't said much lately. I have let this game fall down my priorities a bit. I'll fix this soon.

[Budja]

Budja: You're voting WolfBlitzer. Why?

That was my random vote initially. I will remove it now as it serves no purpose and I don't believe Jebus worthy of a vote.

unvote

Hypocrite play at its best

This seems to be a little bit of an exaggeration to me. The only action I have done that could be seen as hypocritical was my comment on you no contributing when I had done little contributing myself.

have contributed exactly nada since that third vote and some defending of self.

I have added little to discussions but "nada" seems to be pushing it. I have stated my view of several cases albeit briefly.

Budja:
10. RV AZHREI
32. Wagon hop Wolf - neutral
41. says rhymes were confusing, says third vote to provoke discussion - hard to tell, have to see more
53. says not trying to piggyback sus, rhyme as excuse - am acutally ok with this
60. posed answer to goat - like it despite being appeasing
80. ask me to look back - ok
105. budja says everything is flowers and sunshine - no liky
107. quick reply to don
111. feels goat is pressing hard on gads
153. agree with lynx on jebus and also ask for clarification
167. Interpret as you will

Post 105 was my opinion of the major cases going around. Just because I was not convinced by any of them does not mean "everything is flowers and sunshine".

Beyond this post, you appear to have no real negative reads on me. Your final conclusion does not appear to refect this in any way.

On a first glance yesterday, your post appeared to be fairly insightful to me but when I read it more closely it simply appears to be a summary of the actions so far, impressive but with little actual argument over any of your claims.

I've stated how making such a move clears you of any early player interactions along with the fact that coming in with a big player analysis comes off trying to look pro-town to me. The big problem I have is that a move like yours allows you to avoid getting a read on you.

Well said, I hadn't noticed that.

[Budja]

My interpretation: Spring made a long, pro-town seeming post. You expressed how pro-town and insightful it was, assuming others would agree. Other people expressed how they were not necessarily impressed. You realized that it was now possible to place suspicion on spring for that "pro-town seeming post." You edit your stance accordingly. Fair interpretation?

Or as the case was I had limited time at that moment so I skimmed the thread and make a quick post. I later reread more clearly and change my initial position.

[Budja]

I am going to post soon. I have quite a bit of reading to do first. The walls of texts are quite daunting.

[Budja]

Ok, sorry for the delay.

These players currently are the ones I am most interested in at the moment.

springlullaby- Lurked then posted many walls of text. Agressive behaviour- not a scumtell.
Not so keen on initial summary as I have already said. Conclusions did not always come readily from points IMO and seem a bit contrived.
Recently have answered questions well and is definantly actively scumhunting which has reduced a lot of my suspicion.

don_johnson- Most notable for his back and forth with spring.
I think that some of springs points against him, eg. Theft of haiku, were reaching a bit too far. His over-reaction to at least an initially mild attack, however seems slightly out of character with his play so far and moderatly scummy to me.

RedCoyote - Spolium pointed out very recently that he has been over-supportive of Spring and I agree with this. This does seem a bit suspect to me. I don't have anything to add to this and his play earlier showed nothing to give me suspicion. I am interesting in seeing his responce.

Plonky needs to post. Keeps saying he will, never does. I know the walls of text are discouraging but we need to see something.

And as for my vote,

vote: don_johnson

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[Budja]

@Jebus, I find the case on Redcoyote has potential. As I said, his earlier behaviour was pretty townie to me. The case is not as strong as the other two I suspect IMO, but is probably one of the more interesting things to come out of the spring interactions (along with don_johnson).

@Lynx, sorry for not clarifying this earlier. I didn't notice your question.
Calling my earlier vote random was silly. The vote was fairly useless virtually as soon as I had placed it, by my own fault.
I was mixing random with casual/generally unimportant as random votes generally are.
In short, I muddled my words up.

[Budja]

[...] or you KNOW spring's alignment already

That is a really good point.
Reminds me a fair bit of an quite insightful comment Goatrevolt said way back.

As for my own personal example, I was scum, and the other player was town. I was "coaching" him because I thought being helpful and telling other people how to play a better game made me look more pro-town. In reality it was a beacon of how insincere my suspicion really was.

unvote: Vote RedCoyote

Looks like you just overtook don on my scum-scale.

[Budja]

I fully believe my defence was legitimate.

The worst thing I did was fail to show suspicions IMO and I have being attempting to become more active lately to combat this failure.

I have a bad habit of misplacing words, of using the wrong word when I mean another. I have done this a couple of times to my disadvantage but I can hardly defend myself beyond correcting my mistake. Not much else I can do.

I never really strongly believed in the don case. I simply believed in it more than any other case at that time. I was been hassled to place my vote so I placed it in the best position at the time.
RC's became more scummy, I changed my vote.

The quote from Goat was not meant to confuse or prove anything in particular. It was a comment that loosely reminded me of this case. Perhaps I shouldn't have posted it but it did influence me a bit and I thought it best to show one of the reason I was changing my vote.

Please note that fhq's post is what convinced me the most. The quote was just a minor thing in comparison.

Um well, at this stage do you want a claim?

[Budja]

The vote on don was not just a "vote to appease", it was also a vote on my greatest suspect. I was hassled about not placing a vote, true, and probably for good reason. Having a vote generally shows where your greatest suspicions lie and applys pressure to the target.

FHQ's reason just seemed right to me. call it gut instinct but after I read that paragraph, I felt that it had great possibility.

And well I guess I'll claim then..

I am the Doctor.

[Budja]

Unvote, Vote: Budja

Good luck to my scumbuddy. At least I got you the Doc .

Bye now.

[Budja]

Just a quick note Spolium, the only scum-tell I really dropped was my failure to scum-hunt. I'd have done everything else the same if I was town.

[Budja]

No, the reverse actually.

Now I'm going to go die quietly now.

[Budja]

Budja, let's make this easy. You tell us who else is scum and we promise not to lynch you. Deal?

How about I tell you tomorrow if you don't lynch me .

[Budja]

I apologise to Goat and Don. I never spent enough time on this game and I payed the price. You all played very well.