Micro Normal 1104 - Postgame

[GuyInFreezer]

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[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Hu Tao
Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs

eh?

I must be wolfy too because I like Overcat's 36.

Mind explaining this further?

Town #1 found

[GuyInFreezer]

It feels like people on mafiascum look for logical inconsistencies

what's your experience with people on mafiascum?

He can’t answer it because I took over

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m seeing a back-to-back vote on my declared townread on page 5 and that is no bueno.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not stating a read because I'm not sure where I stand with you rn

This kinda sketch though.

[GuyInFreezer]

Good morning!

ceejay is a pretty strong town read of mine. I think a problem with forum games is that people are a bit too forgiving, and they may tend to go after people who are less charismatic rather than less towny. I'm very unhappy at the idea of votes being taken of Luka my biggest scum read onto ceejay who is a trust of mine at the moment. It's like we have two people that we are suspecting of doing a crime. One has tattoos covering them, blood on their hands, and a constant facial twitch, the other just happened to be found in the area the crime was committed. Leave ceejay alone.

This guy knows what’s up, except for Luka part.
I don’t particularly scumread Luka.

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

I didn’t really check but I’m p sure my slot is voting Luka so

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m seeing a back-to-back vote on my declared townread on page 5 and that is no bueno.

That’s okay just get a new townread. I’m available!

But why would I drop my #1 townread?

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also, in the rare occasion, I have two scumreads that I will not disclose at this moment. I’m gonna let it simmer.

[GuyInFreezer]

And no, it’s not Hu Tao.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Human

Please don’t make me regret my decisions

[GuyInFreezer]

I have CJ slot (so that would be humaneatingmonkey), Luka, Umalot as all p strong town. With Fancy being confirmed town, I only have 1 slot left to enter my town pool.

I still have those two scumreads but they are about to not matter soon.

[GuyInFreezer]

I’d also call Overcat pretty obviously town too, but alas, y'all won’t be able to tell if I’m being biased on that.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because once I have 5 townreads I won’t care about who gets limmed.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean what have you done so far to be townread this game?

The only read you’ve stated in this game so far is that calling yourself town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Luka / FancyPants
KayJayQueue / Umalot
Eiralox
GuyInFreezer / JacksonVirgo
HuTao

P mid list if you ask me

[GuyInFreezer]

I would very much like to see GIF and HEM solve each other when i wake up.
I think those two would be interesting to see thoughts on each other/solving each other. I think that would be highly informative for the game.

I already solved the slot by reading the first three pages :^)

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I thought about things but I think I can say Hu Tao can be my townread #5. Normally this is where I stop but I’m going to go for bonus points because one of those 5 is IC so I’m kinda cheating

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I thought about things but I think I can say Hu Tao can be my townread #5. Normally this is where I stop but I’m going to go for bonus points because one of those 5 is IC so I’m kinda cheating

Easiest pocket of my life.

Thoughts on Eira?

Was my initial two scumread along with Jackson.
But I didn’t really pay attention after that cos I switched to townseeking mode.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Mod: limited access until Sunday

My family has 3 birthdays this week :^)

[GuyInFreezer]

159 is a great "first" post, as I tend to agree with them. If you do read this GIF, can you elaborate as to why you town-read them (especially this post) as I want to know if it's for the same reason that I am.

Mostly tone.

[GuyInFreezer]

Kay's probably town again. Maybe.
Just maybe.

[GuyInFreezer]

==Touched grass and now stained green==
GuyInFreezer

==Eats Mafia for breakfast, maybe==
humaneatingmonkey

==Mid but Town==
Luka
Umlaut
Hu Tao

=="Papers, Please"==
KayJayQueue

==Leftovers, heal 1/16 every turn yadda yadda==
JacksonVirgo
Eiralox






==Without a shred of doubt, scum==
Firebringer

[GuyInFreezer]

how did u become less confident then now

I have no idea what you're talking about
I've never lost confidence of my read on cj slot.

[GuyInFreezer]

==Eats Mafia for breakfast, maybe==
humaneatingmonkey

==Mid but Town==
Luka

HEM's only read amounts towards me being a wolf here, so why do you have me mid but town and them higher, presuming the mid is refering to reads?
(Also, presuming the scum team is Mel / Eir I don't think that I've played that poorly joycat)

Being town != Being right

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't have much time today so I'm going to cheat.

Spoiler: VCA

1.01

Votecount 1.01

FancyPants

(1):

Eiralox

Overcat (1):

Umlaut

Umlaut

(1): Luka
KayJayQueue (1):

FancyPants

JacksonVirgo (1): ceejayvinoya

Not Voting (4): KayJayQueue, Overcat, JacksonVirgo, Hu Tao

1.02

Votecount 1.02

JacksonVirgo (2): ceejayvinoya, KayJayQueue
Overcat (1):

Umlaut

KayJayQueue (1):

FancyPants

Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (4): Overcat, JacksonVirgo, Hu Tao,

Eiralox

1.03

Votecount 1.03

Overcat (2):

Umlaut

, KayJayQueue
Luka (2): Overcat, JacksonVirgo
JacksonVirgo (1): ceejayvinoya
KayJayQueue (1):

FancyPants

Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (2): Hu Tao,

Eiralox

1.04

Votecount 1.04

ceejayvinoya (2):

Umlaut

,

Eiralox

Luka (1): Overcat
Overcat (1): KayJayQueue
JacksonVirgo (1): ceejayvinoya
KayJayQueue (1):

FancyPants

Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (2): Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo

1.05

Votecount 1.05

Luka (1): humaneatingmonkey
KayJayQueue (1):

FancyPants

humaneatingmonkey (1):

Umlaut

GuyInFreezer (1): KayJayQueue
Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (4): Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo,

Eiralox

, GuyInFreezer

1.06

Votecount 1.06

Eiralox

(2): humaneatingmonkey, Hu Tao
KayJayQueue (2):

FancyPants

,

Umlaut

humaneatingmonkey (1):

Eiralox

Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (3): JacksonVirgo, GuyInFreezer, KayJayQueue

1.07

Votecount 1.07

Eiralox

(E-2): humaneatingmonkey, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo
JacksonVirgo (2):

Firebringer

, KayJayQueue
KayJayQueue (1):

Umlaut

humaneatingmonkey (1):

Eiralox

Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

1.08

Votecount 1.08

Eiralox

(2): Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo
JacksonVirgo (2):

Firebringer

, KayJayQueue
KayJayQueue (1):

Umlaut

humaneatingmonkey (1):

Eiralox

Hu Tao (1): Luka
Luka (1): humaneatingmonkey

Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

1.09

Votecount 1.09

humaneatingmonkey (E-2):

Eiralox

,

Umlaut

,

Firebringer

Eiralox

(2): Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo
JacksonVirgo (1): KayJayQueue
Hu Tao (1): Luka
Luka (1): humaneatingmonkey

Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

1.10

Votecount 1.10

humaneatingmonkey (E-2):

Eiralox

,

Umlaut

,

Firebringer

Eiralox

(E-2): Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, humaneatingmonkey
JacksonVirgo (1): KayJayQueue
Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

1.11

Votecount 1.11

humaneatingmonkey (E-2):

Eiralox

,

Umlaut

,

Firebringer

Eiralox

(2): JacksonVirgo, humaneatingmonkey
JacksonVirgo (1): KayJayQueue
Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (2): GuyInFreezer, Hu Tao

1.12

Votecount 1.12

humaneatingmonkey (2):

Eiralox

,

Umlaut

Eiralox

(2): JacksonVirgo, humaneatingmonkey
JacksonVirgo (1): KayJayQueue
Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (3): GuyInFreezer, Hu Tao,

Firebringer

1.13

Votecount 1.13

humaneatingmonkey (E-2):

Eiralox

,

Umlaut

, Hu Tao
GuyInFreezer (2):

Firebringer

, humaneatingmonkey

Eiralox

(1): JacksonVirgo
Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (2): GuyInFreezer, KayJayQueue

1.14

Votecount 1.14

JacksonVirgo (2):

Firebringer

, Hu Tao
humaneatingmonkey (2):

Eiralox

,

Umlaut

Umlaut

(2): humaneatingmonkey, KayJayQueue

Eiralox

(1): JacksonVirgo
Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

1.FINAL

Votecount 1.FINAL

Umlaut

(EXECUTED): KayJayQueue,

Eiralox

,

Firebringer

, Hu Tao, humaneatingmonkey

Eiralox

(2): JacksonVirgo,

Umlaut

Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

Key wagons I'm looking at is VC 1.07 (Eiralox E-2), VC 1.09 - VC 1.13 (HEM wagon development), and final VC (Umlaut CFD).

It is extremely doubtful that Umlaut wagon was rushed by all-town so there's like 90% one scum in [KayJayQueue, Hu Tao, HEM]. I doubt both scum would jump on CFD wagon like that. That leaves [JacksonVirgo, Luka]. Objectively my name would be in the group #2 but I'm town so.

With this in mind, I look at VC 1.07, the Eiralox E-2 wagon. It had [HEM, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo]. I don't think both scum would join here. So I think scum is in either [HEM, Hu Tao] or [JacksonVirgo] (remember my group #1 and #2 from above?)

And then there is HEM wagon. VC 1.09 - VC 1.12 only had confirmed town voting the slot. VC 1.13 is where [Hu Tao] jumps in. Mostly confirmed town voting doesn't really give me info, other than Hu Tao is +town a tiny bit from this.

This has been done with 0 regard of my reads, which is outdated anyway so I should get to actually read stuff when I have more time than I have right now.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'd be shot

Over a claimed PR and IC?

[GuyInFreezer]

So I cannot visualize HEM as being scum ever, and I only needed to read few recent posts and posts during D1 CFD.

[GuyInFreezer]

[KJQ | Hu Tao |

HEM

]
[Jackson |

Luka

]

I don't see Luka being scum either, after seeing the beginning of D2.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dang is it really just Hu Tao / Jackson?
And I came to this conclusion without even paying attention to either of their posts???

[GuyInFreezer]

This feels too easy so I'm going to deepscum check tomorrow.
Because I never get easy games.

[GuyInFreezer]

Man I

love

me a micro setup with IC and a protective. This makes game so much easier.

[GuyInFreezer]

If someone doesn't see Luka or HEM as town they'll have to convince me because I don't think I'm ever getting out of that.

[GuyInFreezer]

If someone doesn't see Luka or HEM as town they'll have to convince me because I don't think I'm ever getting out of that.

Or convince me that my VCA is wrong.
I'm open to any feedbacks.

[GuyInFreezer]

Your VCA might be wrong because while you eliminated the possibility that Umlaut wasn't all-town (I agree), you didn't eliminate the possibility that Eiralox E-2 was all-town. And if you think it's not possible, I want to hear why.

Ah, someone finally asked this question!

This assumes that I am confirmed town (well I am to my self and this is my analysis) so take it with a grain of salt.
If I assume that Eiralox E-2 was all-town, then that means all of GIF, Firebringer, HEM, Hu Tao, and KJQ are all town. That leaves Jackson and Luka, and they were both out of Umlaut wagon. I find it very hard to believe that both scum would not jump on the last minute wagon on town.

[GuyInFreezer]

If I assume that Eiralox E-2 was all-town, then that means all of GIF, Firebringer, HEM, Hu Tao, and KJQ are all town.

I am a very slow person, so you'll have to spell this one out to me.

Oh you're not the slow one. I thought KJ was on the wagon not Jackson.

[GuyInFreezer]

Eiralox (E-2)

: humaneatingmonkey, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo
JacksonVirgo (2):

Firebringer

, KayJayQueue
Hu Tao (1): Luka
Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

Got rid of two vanity wagons that only now-confirmed-towns were voting.

There is non-zero chance that this wagon could be all town. But I still don't see it likely because if the major wagon was all-town at the time, that means both scum [KJQ, Luka] were just chasing vanity stuff. IIRC Eiralox was kinda hot topic so it would be weird if both scum would kinda ignore that, right?

[GuyInFreezer]

And of course, the VCA does not include my reads.
If I factor in my reads, well lol Luka ain't scum soooo

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also fun thing about VCA.
Y'all won't be able to do VCA properly because I was gone for the most of the day, so it ruins analysis for y'all.
Hence why I said I was cheating when I did VCA

[GuyInFreezer]

But even without the VCA, my reads atm largely hedge on that I simply do not see HEM or Luka being scum here.
So if you're in [KJQ, Jackson, Hu Tao] and you're town and you think someone else in that group is town, then you'll have to convince me why one of HEM or Luka ain't town.

[GuyInFreezer]

I am kind of at Jackson scum and im unsure of second.

I think Eiralox could have just been targeted for night kill to get rid of protective tbh. I mean non zero chance scum don't want a save on me i guess.

Re: Jackson
I don't really have much on him, other than that I strongly townread two people and that kinda puts him in the PoE pile.

[GuyInFreezer]

My thought process:
If Eiralox saved me Hu Tao is wolf. If Eiralox saved FireBringer than HEM is a wolf.

My thought process:
If Eiralox saved me Hu Tao is wolf. If Eiralox saved FireBringer than HEM is a wolf.

What if scum just killed Eira? Why isn't that in your consideration? Also why would scum kill you?

I mean, I'm universal town and if you were a wolf. Even if you aren't they can kill me to frame you.
W/ all due respect to Eira I strongly doubt they die.

Like, I don't think scum opens the day like this.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like, I don't think scum opens the day like this.

I agree but how do i gain confidence ur town

stylishly

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't have style

[GuyInFreezer]

For reference that kind of gameplay is from MafiaUniverse where Luka is from. So its def in his wheelbag methinks.

That explains few things.
Do you agree with my "one scum in [HEM | Hu Tao | KJQ], other in [Jackson | Luka | If you reeeeeeeeally want to, me]" split based on the D1 elimination wagon?

[GuyInFreezer]

Why can't you be scum with Jackson for my sanity

Do you think both scums are off the D1 EoD wagon?

[GuyInFreezer]

Well that's my reason so.
As I said, only I can do VCA because I know I'm town. VCA won't work for rest of you because I was not present for most of the game day.
So I get to have easier time while y'all don't get to get it easy.

[GuyInFreezer]

Mmm

Tracker isn’t that bad of a claim

[GuyInFreezer]

So town has IC/bodyguard. IC serves as kind of an investigative part of the town power (why is it investigative? IC is like being cop inno but everyone knows), so normally I would expect any other investigative role claim as a scumclaim, but tracker is kinda hella weak so I can kinda see it happening.

Tracker being town means there are most certainly no more town PRs, and that means the role is expected to get a result with false positive or false negative.

Tracker being scum means they can only get result on a bodyguard (there would be no more town PRs if scum has tracker/goon), which is rare to land in the first place.

So either way it’s a weak af power, especially in a micro.

[GuyInFreezer]

So town has IC/bodyguard. IC serves as kind of an investigative part of the town power (why is it investigative? IC is like being cop inno but everyone knows), so normally I would expect any other investigative role claim as a scumclaim, but tracker is kinda hella weak so I can kinda see it happening.

Tracker being town means there are most certainly no more town PRs, and that means the role is expected to get a result with false positive or false negative.

Tracker being scum means they can only get result on a bodyguard (there would be no more town PRs if scum has tracker/goon), which is rare to land in the first place.

So either way it’s a weak af power, especially in a micro.

Yeah wish I was a watcher instead

If you claimed watcher you would’ve been eliminated today so

[GuyInFreezer]

If Hu Tao isn’t a lazy tracker and is town, and if we correctly lim today we can force scum to no-kill.

[GuyInFreezer]

I won’t really be around here today.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Jackson

I'm a VT btw

[GuyInFreezer]

We should have an inno or a guilty today from the tracker.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hu Tao better have checked me or Luka or I'm going to vote the living hell out of her today.

[GuyInFreezer]

If she checked you after all of what happened yesterday and Firebringer's plea, then she is effectively scumclaming.

[GuyInFreezer]

You might as well fullclaim because you're not getting another result if you're town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, I am, without a single shred of doubt, townreading HEM and Kay.
I was hoping that the tracker result would give me easy victory but like I said before, I never have my game easy.
So I'll look at Luka and Hu Tao over this day to find that one final town, and 1v1 the other to victory.

[GuyInFreezer]

By the by, reading Jackson's posts D1, I'm leaning towards Luka not being Jackson's scumbuddy.

[GuyInFreezer]

Jackson is town I'm fairly confident.

But then, there is this.

[GuyInFreezer]

By the by, if anyone still have doubt about HEM at this point, Jackson attempted to create a counterwagon on HEM against his own wagon.
Let that sink in.

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m still leaning on Hu Tao btw. If Luka is scum that means D1 elim was done by all town.

[GuyInFreezer]

but i feel like mechanically, having Hu Tao stay for ELo is better...

It’s really about playing greedy vs playing safe

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m still leaning on Hu Tao btw. If Luka is scum that means D1 elim was done by all town.

Well you're wrong on it being me

If you ain’t it then it you’ll have to convince me that it’s Luka because I’m not considering literally anyone else.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why do you think it's HEM?

[GuyInFreezer]

(Also if HEM is scum here, he won't NK you tonight so)

[GuyInFreezer]

Well I think you're town and I think kay is town. So that leaves the other 2.

You're gonna need to do better than that.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well I think you're town and I think kay is town. So that leaves the other 2.

What would your case be against Luka? HEM?

Why would I need cases? If I have 2 town reads that I've stated over and over and explained already. The game is already won. I don't care which

If you're town and Luka flips town, who do you think will be eliminated the next day? You or HEM?
Mafia isn't a game that can be won by read accuracy alone. You're going to have to do some convincing too.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because trust me, I'd rather have people flip me today and not worry about the elo struggle as well.
But I'm still doing stuff, aren't I?

[GuyInFreezer]

Because trust me, I'd rather have people flip me today and not worry about the elo struggle as well.
But I'm still doing stuff, aren't I?

After I said this, I am magically getting too busy for the weekend so I won’t really have time to look things in detail until the end of the weekend.

But the focus I had in mind was the fact that Jackson and Luka knows each other.

@Kay you said you saw Jackson scum once right? How did he tend to interact with his scumbuddy in general in that game?

[GuyInFreezer]

I’ll be here tomorrow so no rash things just in case

[GuyInFreezer]

Sorry for replacing out, I just did not have time to commit to this game and didn't feel like being a deadbeat slot.
Grats on the win though!

[GuyInFreezer]

[KJQ | Hu Tao |

HEM

]
[Jackson |

Luka

]

I don't see Luka being scum either, after seeing the beginning of D2.

Dang is it really just Hu Tao / Jackson?
And I came to this conclusion without even paying attention to either of their posts???

VCA is op