Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 5)

[RationalMadman]

Come on, let's hear that snark now, tall down to me some more.

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: black

I think she's town

Your reads haven't been accurate so far.

She is the most likely vote based on placement and how Awesomeming gave up and didn't vote Dannflor at all, to be the scum bussing him.

In your opinion was KJQ scum?

[RationalMadman]

Just letting it known if anyone wants goofball elimination, I am more than down.

How tf can we justify betting on her bussing so early so silently? Can we justify such a wager?

[RationalMadman]

For a DP2 vote

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: Black

I'm kinda starting to like Grovyle as town.

I noticed others calling you she/her during DP1 ending. Are those your pronouns?

[RationalMadman]

people like you have inconsistent methodology and think you're gods gift to mafia but refuse to consider being fully accurate. you might notice I personally showed skepticism on your alleged read on awesome because I don't take shortcuts that don't actually always work. (nevermind the fact your reasoning was completely coincidental and likely just part of awesome's mimicking of his town play rather than something scummy)

and its insulting to claim such credit on awesome when people changed their mind on their own due to awesome falling off - not because of some magical case you made. awesome dug his own grave, not you at all. in fact, you did more to potentially help him go free due to being annoying about it than


so yes, it is nonsense to me when you claim things like that hu tao is town because dann died with no critical thought beyond that, something that insults Dann's and I's reasonings we have developed for hu scum.

hell part of me still thinks you're a player who selfishly thought awesome was dead weight and hellbussed them and are now just tunneling your way through the game and defending a scum hu here.

so frankly, back up your shit and don't give me cheap shortcuts

Let us know your reads and how you justify them. Big boy posturing won't work on me, I can humble you game after game if we Vs each other if need be. I just don't enjoy Mafia, I am very skilled at it and don't give a damn what tantrum you throw.

Try voting me out, it won't end well for you in my prediction. Otherwise stfu and work around me. I'm not bending to you one bit.

[RationalMadman]

I'm also curious why Rational thinks Hu is town

I already did explain it DP1 with a simple sentence or two.

Meanwhile people far less powerful than me in terms of towncred and invulnerability to being voted off such as yourself and Grovyle are trying to bend me to your will.

That's not how hierarchy works here. DP1 I was just this annoying guy with 0 towncred. Now I have some and Grovyle has 0. You are likely to have busses since you were vote 5 of 7 and it was clearly.heading towards Awesomeming going after Thomith voted.

So both of you ought to justify every single vote and read before pressuring me for mine. I can promise you I don't like either of you and ontop of that I know I will beat you both in a 1v1 vote off right now.

So I have every reason to make demands and you have every reason to first cave in before demanding anything from me.

[RationalMadman]

Bussed*

[RationalMadman]

Keep agreeing. I'll stay busy carrying.

[RationalMadman]

Speaking finishing out things start justifying your reads asap, Ty. Waiting on it.

[RationalMadman]

Dishing out what you can't do starts with asking some justification of reads that you'll call drivel.

Come let's have some fun dancing this dance.

[RationalMadman]

You out your reads and I call them cringe and drivel, it's fun right?

[RationalMadman]

Then I'll call you pathetic, angry and mad as you react.

[RationalMadman]

It's so fun to be treated that way, that's the fun of mafia.

[RationalMadman]

Difference is nobody can justify voting me here. Not even shooting me if gunned.

So idc how this goes down, I'm untouchable. It isn't arrogance I am talking from but confidence. You're in the weaker position, try pushing me around, you'll end up in the fire pit.

[RationalMadman]

That's all there is to say. I have the highest towncred of all players here rn. You can appreciate that or keep trying to make me cave in to your abuse.

I will endure what has to be endured, I was built tough as nails unfortunately.

[RationalMadman]

A tally I rechecked the roes that can be in a simple normal and even though gunsmith can be in this, it seems that a role that actually gives or has guns can't, so I guess nobody can be dayshot.

[RationalMadman]

Actually*

[RationalMadman]

A tally I rechecked the roes that can be in a simple normal and even though gunsmith can be in this, it seems that a role that actually gives or has guns can't, so I guess nobody can be dayshot.

Mafia is said to have guns, I assume vigilante does too but they're night-only.

[RationalMadman]

Go ahead, sabotage yourselves.

All I say is drivel, angry or mad after all.

[RationalMadman]

You seem to think this is a mark against me but I am not the one who abused others in this game it was entirely the reverse.

Vote out obvious Town, just be aware both scum are likely voting him out. glad to help

[RationalMadman]

Normally I'm against policy fades but fuck it let's see where this goes. This guy is like a toxic rain cloud hanging over the game

VOTE: Rational

As much as I would probably enjoy it I don't think policy fading Rational is a good idea

Calling Hu/Rational/Gibdo for post game cred

I am getting a lot of town vibes from HT

HT is actually a direct Townread by me rn

I think this has partner equity with Hu if she flips scum. Something is bothering me about this correction, like he wanted to make sure everyone knew that it wasn't just town vibes, it's a firm townread, just in case he ever flips scum and people go looking for his partners in his hedgy reads

I also didn't like the way he had a mild heart attack when I joined the Hu wagon

I think it's noteworthy that Gibdo seems reluctant to vote for Hu Tao but he apparently had no issue voting for Rational for relatively weak reasons. In 710 he says he's refraining from voting for Hu because he's not confident but I'm having a hard time believing he was confident in his Rational read

Not only is he reluctant to vote for Hu but now he is chainsaw defending her

mostly rational being loudly wrong about everything and insulting people every chance he gets

I have townread you. Was that me being loudly wrong about everything or is your hyperbole bullshit a bit too blatant there?

Why are you such a mad and angry person? Can you like set that aside and stop making the game a nightmare to look at

Let's also remember the one preaching to win with respect called me pathetic and votes me because of disliking my personality.

[RationalMadman]

But yes go ahead, you're either Town and getting voted off very soon with me, hurting your win condition significantly or you're Scum in that case what was it Elements said? 1 for 1s are good for Town.

[RationalMadman]

I'll enjoy the lack of toxicity towards me in the graveyard. I did my duty DP1 *salutes* good luck all, rip the scum to pieces.

[RationalMadman]

I would advise Black to study the following:

https://www.pon.harvard.edu/daily/negot ... ing-power/

But hey maybe I am wrong and Town don't vote you after me and you are Scum as well. Unlikely though.

[RationalMadman]

I am in a very powerful position. It doesn't bother me in the slightest what goes down.

Observe the 6 voting me, Scum are to be assumed 2 of the 6 no matter what. Town has 0 reason to vote me here unless extremely poor at mafia or gamethrowing.

[RationalMadman]

After I die work within the 6. I recommend to focus on Black and the hammer.

[RationalMadman]

If Black flips Town Id do Elements next for sure

[RationalMadman]

The pathetic angry mad guy full of drivel is down to flip Town. Good luck. Enjoy being hunted after I die.

[RationalMadman]

Never ever demand me to justify my reads or talk to me with disrespect when in the wrong position to do either. Just a word of advice. I'm not rolling over.

[RationalMadman]

Let's actually play a game shall we?

Who are the hypocrites voting RM

Let's begin with Elements... Drumroll...

[RationalMadman]

1. Can't justify. Asingke fucking read all game to the point she got a VIP pass to blindly wagon whoever the fuck she pleased all DP1 and we shrug as it's adorable little Elements, she can't help it.

2. Outs at vanilla Townie for no reason at all. Helping Scum narrow down PRs if real. But it's ok, not policy eliminated because it's Elements.

3. Toxic and snarky to me throughout the game, asking explanations of EVERYthing I say and do while justifying NOTHING, no reads no votes fucking nothing at all but it's okay right? She is Elements, not a player that has tombe held up to standards.

4. Votes me while no doubt at all telling others who'd vote in anger or for stupid reasons to improve and up their game.

[RationalMadman]

Ohhhh let's not forget 5. Votes Dannflor while he wasn't in her voting pool but Hu Tao was, while Awesomeming wasn't. She doesn't need to explain any of it she is Elements.

[RationalMadman]

Number 2.... Black.

Well, I quoted most of it so it should be obvious but similarly to Elements there is a plethora of things she can do but RM and others can't

1. Demands reads from RM to be justified at all times while justifying NONE of her own even admitting she is voting against her supposedly Town winconditon and voting off RM now. Bravo!

2. Tells RM he is angry, mad and toxic while being toxic to him both then and later ridiculing him asnapthetic and voting him off as a policy of... What's the policy? Having backbone? While having backbone and being one snarky individual herself.

[RationalMadman]

Who wants to be number 3, go ahead. Let sexpose all these hypocrites. Elmininated or not, I can help Town see you for what you are (or die trying).

[RationalMadman]

Let's expose*

[RationalMadman]

Oh and let's not forget, voting in angry madness while telling RM to be calm and composed (or is it an act)

[RationalMadman]

@Rational - here were my votes Day 1

VOTE: Elements

I believe I explained this at the time, I felt as if votes on you (Rational), assuming you are town, would have a chance of there having scum within those votes attempting to vote for an easy target due to the polarising nature of your gameplay, while not outright having to explain a read on you either way, being able to justify a vote without really incriminating themselves.
Elements jump on you early gave those vibes for me (however, she later explained things and I moved away from this).

VOTE: cCS
I think I dislike this vote on me the most.

From my POV, I am town. Therefore, I have reason to believe that scum are likely on my wagon in some capacity to push a mislim. In my mind, of the people that did vote me, I felt CCS seemed to be voting me in a way that made me feel as if he was not really trying to solve the game? It was mainly vibes, but his vote on my wagon felt the most weird to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Goofball

*poke*

I voted Goofball because they weren't doing much.

Hu's scumread on KJQ feels as fake as her scumread on Dann. I understand the concept of wanting to give a replacement a chance to salvage the slot but she disregarded her KJQ scumread so easily. It doesn't feel like a natural reaction to me

I was about to dispute this as a harsh read of the situation, as I didn't think Hu Tao strongly scumread Kay and just felt weird about her, and the unvote made sense if she did genuinely think she would feel more confident reading you later.

I reread the Kay vote though, and that didn't seem to be the case, that felt like a "I'm pretty sure you're scum" reason for a vote.
I think I'm inclined to agree with you because of that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hu Tao

I believe this was durinng the Hu Tao vs. Dann part of Day 1, where I had been pretty strongly townreading Dann for most of Day 1, and I do also feel as if I justified my vote on Hu Tao in this post.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: awesomeming

let's see where this goes.

As mentioned, at this point in time I decided to sheep two town reads, in you/dann, as I was not sure what direction I was really going at this point of the day.

I'm not really in the frame of mind to care what is said here but I'll read it later to see if it's BS or not.

Vote me or Black please. Elements is acceptable too. Ty. This is pure war, I am going to show them what happens when you abuse the player with highest towncred. Some have to learn the hard way. Choose wisely yourself.

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I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Iw as voting Black before the argument. Black Elements ActionDan and DrNickRiviera are the legitimate poo of 4 I believe 2 Scum are inside.

Yes there is you there, there are also Gibdo and Grovyle.

Grovyle seems like Town that has some ego issues where he thinks he's humbling me while he is needing it himself. Can't justify any of his reads yet wants me to justify mine and calls any additional info after DP1 drivel and my DP1 leading on awesomeming cringe.

He could truly be scum that is that obvious about it all but I feel like there was a killer clue in DP1...

Awesomeming gave up. He didn't vote Dannflor who we now know is/was Town. He simply outed 'I am tracker' and didn't even try to fake reads. These things added together tell me that at least 1 partner of his was voting him (or just about to in the case of Elements) telling him it's over for him, in the scum chat. Dannflor dying also adds onto this. If they presume I'm having protective role on me or his partners think I'm a lucky moron, either way around it means Dannflor dying helps frame Hu Tao and CCS because those 2 were scumread by many and on Dannflor by the end.

Who would do that combination? Probably Black or Elements. I get a personality read on Gibdo that he just isn't quite that 'grand mastermind' type. He was Townread by Dannflor and would less likely kill to frame and more likely just kill whoever he felt was the greatest threat. Even if he was led by his partner to kill Dannflor, that partner surely wasn't HT or CCS.

[RationalMadman]

VC 2.02

camelCasedSnivy (3):

Elements 1281, ActionDan 1300, Hu Tao 1482

Hu Tao (3):

Grovyle in a Fedora 1370, DrNickRiviera 1432, Gibdo 1495

Black (2):

RationalMadman 1450, DrippingGoofball 1484

RationalMadman (2):

Elements 1510, Black 1512

Not Voting:

Thomith, camelCasedSnivy

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-27 14:08:00)

You still have Elements voting CCS here btw. It's telling she led on him though.

[RationalMadman]

@drippinggoofball
@hu tao
are you open to vote Elements?

HT Townreads Black, I scumread both Black and Elements equally.

[RationalMadman]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Only Scum wants me voted off here, Town doesn't unless unskilled and easily swayed.

If I get voted off it's perfect for Scum as the highest towncred player is long gone, leaving Town in chaos as they wasted an elimination.

[RationalMadman]

But it's not so perfect that I insist others stick to the 6 voting me. So it will take 5 not 4 bad townies, to make this a true disaster.

[RationalMadman]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Only Scum wants me voted off here, Town doesn't unless unskilled and easily swayed.

If I get voted off it's perfect for Scum as the highest towncred player is long gone, leaving Town in chaos as they wasted an elimination.

I'd agree more if this argument felt entirely game related, but it genuinely doesn't seem that way, at least to me. It feels more born of frustration than anything.

Read it with zero emotions and it becomes obvious if it's true or false.

[RationalMadman]

I'd prefer not to feed into an argument that I don't feel is alignment indicative. I don't think it's a good use of time.

Only Scum wants me voted off here, Town doesn't unless unskilled and easily swayed.

If I get voted off it's perfect for Scum as the highest towncred player is long gone, leaving Town in chaos as they wasted an elimination.

I'd agree more if this argument felt entirely game related, but it genuinely doesn't seem that way, at least to me. It feels more born of frustration than anything.

Read it with zero emotions and it becomes obvious if it's true or false.

I feel like the votes on you were made because of emotions though, so I'm not sure what ignoring that fact achieves?

Don't be so naive.

If you are Town here, excluding a Gibdo NickRiviera combo, I am quite sure the scum is at least with 1 vote on me at this exact moment.

And unlike what Grovyle thinks, I am not basing it on drivel. I genuinely use so many different factors in reading, I am over 85% certain at least 1 of black or elements is scum if you aren't.

In fact I could say exactly 87% is the percentage.

The 13% is a combo such as Gibdo-X or Nick-Goofball being in the mix. It is significantly unlikely to me but I'd say if I add onto it the issue that you can be scum here, I end up low 80% sure they're scum.

So, I am telling you this Thomith. If you are not scum, I am 87% certain scum is voting me. I 13% consider a combination of things viable to make them words that would only be insulting. They called me pathetic let's run with that word.

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I am 89% sure that RM is making up 55% of the content he is writing about 90.90909090% of the players he is talking about

Easy error to make when you're used to having 0 reads and staying invited to the end of a DP1.

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Unvoted

[RationalMadman]

Reads meaning reads not a list of names with 0 explanation, but it's okay when you do it not if I say a read then I have to explain it lmao

[RationalMadman]

As a doctor, I recommend Rational take like 24 hours not posting.

You are not doing anything to benefit town right now, even in the off chance you are town and are correct on some of your reads, no one is going to listen to you when you post like this

Also, when you come back.....please let's talk about what you did last night.

I am doing many things to benefit Town right now.

I'll give a shit what you think of my playstyle when I respect you as a player. Seems there's mutual lack of it here.

[RationalMadman]

As a doctor, I recommend Rational take like 24 hours not posting.

You are not doing anything to benefit town right now, even in the off chance you are town and are correct on some of your reads, no one is going to listen to you when you post like this

Also, when you come back.....please let's talk about what you did last night.

Also, if you keep repeating that last part to rile me up, you have 0 high ground telling me not to rile others up. Hypocrite.

[RationalMadman]

This has been fun but rational has been town since *checks notes* forever.

BTW gibdo is clearly town please dont touch the mummy.

CCS makes sense as everyone's partner. CCS is scum. Please redirect all your transient attentions in that direction

No he doesn't, CCS onlyakes sense as partner of someone who voted awesomeming that believes they could carry after he is voted off as Danny dying puts pressure on him and Hu Tao. This limits who it could be.

[RationalMadman]

As a doctor, I recommend Rational take like 24 hours not posting.

You are not doing anything to benefit town right now, even in the off chance you are town and are correct on some of your reads, no one is going to listen to you when you post like this

Also, when you come back.....please let's talk about what you did last night.

I am doing many things to benefit Town right now.

I'll give a shit what you think of my playstyle when I respect you as a player. Seems there's mutual lack of it here.

Alrighty then

You do know that this is a game that we play to have fun, right?

I am saying to take some time away from the game because it seems like you are not having too much fun, and most of the rest of the players here are not having too much fun because of your posting.

This isn't a slap to your face, or even an insult, just the truth.

Maybe others, and I will include myself in this group, were maybe a bit insulting, but you have to take a look in the mirror to understand how toxic you are making the game now.

So please, for the sake of every player here, for your sake, and the health of the game......step away for a little bit

I won't join in on the policy lim, I won't advocate for your replacement, or even blacklist you....I will even apologize if I contributed to making you feel insulted or what not.....but please take a breather

Pre Edit: The last part of that post is part of the game, this post here is me talking to you man to man

8 have made it clear which members need to look in the mirror. Ruin the game for me, I can do it back just as good.

Difference is I ruined it by... Just having backbone. Plain and simple. Those that did it aren't used to someone who stands up to their ganging up and bullying by laughing at them solo. The towncred I gained DP1 let me do it even more.

I couldn't give the slightest shit if they're not having fun, they did everything to ruin mine. Middle finger with a smile vibes, you get me?

Part of why I dislike maifa despite being so good at it is this aspect btw. In almost all other games I can either wipe the floor with my opponent no matter how toxic and perhaps put them on mute, even toxic teammates. In this game I cannot as the dialogue is literally a focal point.

If I can make it like sandpaper and torture them while they try to torture me, all the better lol. If it gets me blacklisted idgaf. People can't name any policy I violated tha they didn't do worse first. That is a blatant fact rn. I know when it's time to switch to madman mode, too much clean cut rational does nobody any favours but don't be confused there's calculation behind every single move I made this game. I enjoyed seeing people react to me NoElim suggestion, I didn't need to it to succeed to make it pay off handsomely for me to garner reads. It's part of why I figured out HT Vs Dann was TvT which I still stand by. The clues began back in how Dann acted during the phase people were revolving around my NoElim suggestion. Id have had much less reason to keep townreading Dann if I hadn't ignited things earlier to work with the flame and smoke.

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I've been asked to not post for 24 hours while a vote wagon on CCS is being rushed like crazy.

I'll tell you this, CCS as scum isn't likely to be nightkilling Dannflor of all people on NP1 there. CCS and Hu Tao were blatantly who people go for afterwards. Why would CCS agree to that NK unless his partner voted awesomeming and believes they'd solocarry?

Yet Elements led on CCS and Black is now voting him too.

He is an easy target. Think. Use your heads. Slow down.

[RationalMadman]

CCS and Thomith does maybe makes sense but to me isn't likely.

[RationalMadman]

Choose any partner you want for CCS. Who would CCS have night killed instead? Me? You? Regardless of choice Dannflor is coming after him.

Yes you, NickRiviera, anyone other than Dann voting awesomeming.

Those are who I think CCS and his duo would aim for.

[RationalMadman]

Even grovyle. Anyone except Dann and Hu Tao.

[RationalMadman]

One thing, when Awesomeming mimicked me and said the partners of me he scumreads were NickRiviera and Elements, I believe either both are his partners or neither are.

I didn't catch this properly before as I figured he would mix things around but Awesomeming strikes me as the type of guy who either fully wifoms or doesn't at all.

He totally capitulated and gave up as he wagon on him ensued, only outing 'I am tracker' and ceasing to post anything. He seems an all or nothing type of guy.

[RationalMadman]

This can be totally wrong, it's not a sure thing, however I'd be inclined to believe it.

I also noticed that NickRiviera and Elements were significantly interacted with by Awesomeming, whereas with others he kept it a blip or with me he began referring to me in third person only and did similar with Dannflor

[RationalMadman]

So since Black wagon seems to be not gaining any steam, I am down to vote Elements for sure.

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: Elements

While voting this, I want to state that I am completely willing to switch to:

Black, DrNickRiviera or ActionDan. Whoever gets most potential to end up eliminated.

[RationalMadman]

If Elements flips Town and I die next NP, I want Black voted off.

[RationalMadman]

I do feel obligated to mention that Dannflor neighborized me in the night before he died and had some final thoughts to share that may be valuable to the town.

He revisited the conversations between Elements and awesomeming, and came to the conclusion that Elements is looking pretty town. In fact, his strongest townreads were RM, DGB, Thomith, Elements, and ActionDan. Scummiest reads were Grovyle, cCS, and Hu Tao.

His final thought was that Grovyle was starting to look more suspicious than Hu Tao was in his eyes.

I will vote off Black or DrNickRiviera if you want to Townread Elements and ActionDan.

Take your pick. I'd prefer Black because I am certain that one partner of Awesomeming voted him, due to how he himself gave up a lot sooner and more completely than made sense.

[RationalMadman]

If I wasn't townreading the vibe of nick I'd be scumreading him.

This needs some splaining

It makes sense to me. Your vibes are towny, your actions are not

Why aren't you voting Elements after saying you would?

Why is Black Townread by you?

[RationalMadman]

One thing that makes me buy the team being Black with ActionDan or anyone other than DrNick in particular (but probably not Elements) is that when Awesomeming tried to get hammer on Hu Tao, he tried to overtly manipulate DrNick to vote her based on what was rightly a priority siding with Dann against HuTao that was apparent in DrNick's posts.

I feel a partner doing that to another seems a degree of orchestration that maybe isn't within Awesomeming's repertoire. In contrast, him suddenly going after the KJQ/Black slot is the kind of overt bus relationship Id predict him to do.

So...

I am back to

UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: Black

And see where this DP goes.

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I'll tell you why Black with ActionDan makes a lot of sense as well; KJQ replaced out. Idk how much or little were allowed to theorise around that but it's in the game as data to incorporate to reads.

KJQ if with 2 very inactive members Saltiest Cactus and Awesomeming would probably tilt and quit once her reliable friend Hu Tao she often plays with OMGUSes her and feels pressured by the fact I am also after her partner.

This may also explain why ActionDan and Black nightkill Dannflor. It's pretty perfect for them. When Dannflor dies, focus shifts to HuTao and CCS based on prior suspicions most held. Then, all they need to do is hope it pans out that one of the two is voted off and leave the other alive to end up voted off later, it's clear if this is the team that they want Hu Tao around later as a scapegoat

[RationalMadman]

The only thing that makes me consider ActionDan less likely is that would he have made Awesomeming claim tracker or something he deemed 'better' in his own hierarchy of PRs

[RationalMadman]

But Black is actually very versatile here. There are MANY partners that make sense for her, akin to what ActionDan says about CCS.

[RationalMadman]

Ok fight your war good luck with that

[RationalMadman]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

[RationalMadman]

I want a lim in my scumpool, I'll vote any of them to stop CCS being voted off.

When Elements voted a ton of people for no reason DP1 you didn't say there's a war, it's only wrong when I do it even if I do it for good reasons.

[RationalMadman]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

What did you do last night?????

You have 1 chance to put whatever you're pretending to have on me. At this point you're spamming at me. Eventually the spam is enough.

[RationalMadman]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

Your reads change every time you can't get momentum on a lim

If you say so. My reads can change firstly, just as anyone else's can.

My reads have had you in the nullpool later in DP1 and now the scumpool. Nothing much has changed. I just think you're less likely than Black who is the single most probable scumpartner based on various factors.

[RationalMadman]

I want a lim in my scumpool, I'll vote any of them to stop CCS being voted off.

When Elements voted a ton of people for no reason DP1 you didn't say there's a war, it's only wrong when I do it even if I do it for good reasons.

You are deflecting......I am asking you, not elements....or anyone else

As I told others, I am in the highest hierarchical position even if nobody respects me or sees it. If you're framing me be direct. I have nothing to out until you fucked up and framed me. As for what I'll do, I'll ask Tris how the spam rule works.

[RationalMadman]

i feel like im not the only one to pop into thread, see several RM posts, and immediately lose the will to play in this game

That's crazy. If I were scum that would be a superpower. There are many other players here why aren't they inspiring your will to play? After all you did to kill my will to play and post I'm still here, posting. Complain to someone who cares.

[RationalMadman]

I'm not gonna be shamed out of telling my reads

Your reads change every time you can't get momentum on a lim

If you say so. My reads can change firstly, just as anyone else's can.

My reads have had you in the nullpool later in DP1 and now the scumpool. Nothing much has changed. I just think you're less likely than Black who is the single most probable scumpartner based on various factors.

You hard scum read me right at the jump of D2, then when no one bit.....you quickly jumped to someone else

I am genuinely not replying to you directly anymore until you apologise and completely drop the bullshit claim you have some information about my night period actions or conversely you claim it.

[RationalMadman]

I want a lim in my scumpool, I'll vote any of them to stop CCS being voted off.

When Elements voted a ton of people for no reason DP1 you didn't say there's a war, it's only wrong when I do it even if I do it for good reasons.

You are deflecting......I am asking you, not elements....or anyone else

As I told others, I am in the highest hierarchical position even if nobody respects me or sees it. If you're framing me be direct. I have nothing to out until you fucked up and framed me. As for what I'll do, I'll ask Tris how the spam rule works.

Asking you what you did at night is literally me playing the game.....threatening mod action against me for that I am pretty sure is against site rules

You literally asked what am I going to do. Go cry to the site mods then, let's see who ends up punished. You're the one threatening mod action.

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Additionally, do not threaten to make the game unpleasant for other players as in 1564 and other places. If you feel that another player is being abusive to you, please message me about it.

They're making it unpleasant as possible for me, I am just being me. If that's unpleasant it isn't my problem. You police personalities now? I read people beat when they're at their ugliest anyway, nothing makes some as easy to read as the difference between town that resents you Vs scum that does.

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Grovyle let's play a game: how wrong can you be all game and still come out confident about your mafia skills.

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This may be the first game where I'm sus of so many people, I'm not sure where to go or what gut read to listen to.

Listen to mine.

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If you follow the Townreads of Grovyle, then only goofball is a plausible busser of Awesomeming. He legit thinks nobody that voted Awesomeming bussed him other than goofball. What?

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Lmaooo

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i think we can kill RM on like day 4 if we havent found scum yet to keep him out of lylo but otherwise it would be kinda a throw to kill someone who hardpushed scum where its more likely they are town, even though the circumstances of their push are suspicious in some ways. self resolving slot etc etc

Good luck with that.

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idk maybe DGB and RM make sense together here if we entertain the hellbus world but I'll let that one resolve over time because it will be extremely obvious in endgame and I trust people here to recognize that if true

You are so far from right it's funny. If one of us hisses the other wouldn't with the other the entire DP. What kind of a read is that.

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Busses

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I am glad others are starting to see KayJay-scum.

Why would Dann be scum?

You know what is a really solid scum tell? Asking me what the secret scum tell is. Why would a townie care?

its because i think your reads are tmi

any of them?

i dont think a single one has been explained

also, if I may be so bold to ask, why are you voting me?

your push on hu tao is unnatural to me

okay but why does that make them TMI

because goofball is pulling them outta their ass?

idk how "secret tells" are supposed to help town

ok in retrospect this looks really bad and actually points directly at hu tao + CCS lmao

I think I am fine with either tbh

I am trying not to just say fuck it and hard policy lim RM at this point

There isn't a single policy you can name that I am being voted based on. This is simply a shit vote being justified by pretending the person violate something by not rolling over to abuse.