US Election 08 Mafia(Someone has won, has America lost?)

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:59 pm

/confirm

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #86 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:42 am

Kairyuu seems to be acting too defensively, by smashing on random people. I don't particularly find that a scum tell, per his sig, and Nat's justification for an SK claim makes sense to me. So, unless a bandwagon forms, I'll hold off on my vote. Maybe the cop (if we have one) can investigate Nat tonight and drop us some breadcrumbs...

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #127 (isolation #2) » Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:53 am

Badguy is right. Everyone is overreacting at Nat's probably joking SK claim, although he's certainly screwing with everyone's head. However, I do see something very scummy with Vi: he made no attempt to defend himself after Nat called him suspicious. I'd like an explanation, so

Vote: Vi

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #159 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:20 am

Can't you find out about these names on Wikipedia? I'm not particularly excited about a mass name claim.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #160 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:29 am

Here's an idea to test Nat: Since Vi is acting suspicious (per my and Nikelaos' reasons), we lynch Vi D1. If it turns out that Vi was a townie, either/both the cop and the vig investigate/kill Nat. Either way, we lynch a suspicious player and find out how trustworthy the second most suspicious player is. Then we can bandwagon Badguy.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #165 (isolation #5) » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:41 am

@charter: Is there a reason you're voting for me?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #187 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:08 am

Maybe Nat and Vi are scum buddies, and Nat is trying to make himself appear innocent by claiming a vague suspicion of Vi. In no way am I implying a consensus, but that's what I think.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #201 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:46 pm

When did the consensus that I'm scummy form? I'm just throwing out ideas, not self-incriminating myself.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #205 (isolation #8) » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:17 am

What questions haven't I answered? Nat and Vi both seem to be mildly suspicious by Nat's unjustified accusation of Vi and Vi's partially-unjustified dodging of it.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #209 (isolation #9) » Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:49 am

I'd really prefer not claiming my role, as it would be detrimental to the town, but if I get to L-2 I might be forced to.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #215 (isolation #10) » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:20 pm

@Vi: Your dodge is unjustified because you didn't try to find fault in Nat's posts, but turned around and found fault in mine, with little more than a "Nat is ridiculous" argument. Also, why are you talking about wagoning to a lynch when I'm the only one that's voted you?
I would also like to hear more reasoning behind Nat's vote for me.
@Yosarian: As I said before, I'm just throwing ideas out there. Whether the cop/vig follow them is completely up to them, and I personally think that throwing out any kind of idea (bad or good) stimulates discussion about strategy and suspicious people (which apparently seems to have backfired).
Also, what do vollkan's numbers mean?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #227 (isolation #11) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:08 am

I actually realized that Vi is acting quite pro-town lately. I'm not sure why I'm voting for Vi. javascript:emoticon(':oops:')
@Yos: What do you think the cop should do?

Unvote: Vi

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #228 (isolation #12) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:10 am

Also, Nikelaos is trying particularly hard to wipe off all traces of scumminess (e.g. me) than anyone else I can tell. Just a thought.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #240 (isolation #13) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:52 pm

Tadaa! The end. My help for you: the person that hammers me is most likely Mafia in an attempt to get rid of my ultra pro-town role: I am Wolf Blitzer, the Cop.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #245 (isolation #14) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:02 pm

Could you elaborate, yaw, on what you mean by "here"?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #246 (isolation #15) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:04 pm

Nat: I'm claiming my role without quoting, hoping that since the mod gave us pretty names that people will actually believe me. How does that give off a scummy vibe?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #247 (isolation #16) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:09 pm

About Vi: you all are quite right that my case against him is weaker than I've been trying to convince you it is, so I can understand why everyone is seeing my overreaction as a scumtell. Vi is acting protown because of mainly 234: Instead of trying to keep on hammering me into a corner to get a quick lynch of a town guy (which a Mafia would do), Vi looked at the bigger picture involving suspicion of Badguy.

Also, my cop posts were mainly intended to misdirect mafia into thinking that I wasn't the cop, and stay alive at least for Night 1. And I was bandwagoning into the vig idea proposed earlier at the same time, to give my opinion a less random vibe. I can only hope you believe me and give me a doc protect, cuz I'm gonna need it if you don't kill me.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #249 (isolation #17) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:15 pm

I'm a reporter trying to weed the people not wanting a fair election from those who do. And didn't I answer vollkan's questions?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #251 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:26 pm

I used that number because that's the pattern of what he's doing in his posts. After I made my original point about Vi and didn't put examples of his previous posts I just used this more accessible one that highlights the base of my feelings.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #255 (isolation #19) » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:47 pm

I just made myself a nightkill target, didn't I? The thing is, in every other mafia game I've played (on other forums), I'm always the first one to die, whether by lynch or by nightkill (6 games, soon 7 if you lynch me in this one), and I'm sort of paranoid about this kind of thing now. Badguy, I made a slight case against Nikelaos in my post on page 10, who might be scum. Now you know how I would go about leaving you guys breadcrumbs, since I am the cop and I can just blatantly come up and say "hey, whatsyourface is innocent". I just hope I'm not insane or anything.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #296 (isolation #20) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:44 am

@Vollkan's earlier question: yes, my idea was not intended to be taken seriously at all.
@Charter: I want a fair election by running expose's on scumbags.
@Idiotking: Um...the only way to let the cop help the town is by lynching or leaving him as bait for Mafia? BTW, I think that an intelligent Mafia will try to make me look suspicious by not NK'ing me right off the bat.

Also, Mod, you didn't count my unvote on Vi.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #298 (isolation #21) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:53 am

That's exactly what I just said.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #407 (isolation #22) » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:25 pm

Yay! Just got back from my three day rehearsal/conference/performance with the Florida All-State Symphony Orchestra in Tampa. Sorry about not doing a V/La post. In response to Vi's 359 question, I think that a good player is in most cases better than a power role. Just because someone can daykill Psychiatrists with a Raygun while generating pro-town vigs by using a 200% doctor protect doesn't help him/her much from getting killed if he/she doesn't contribute actively towards getting bad guys tarred and feathered. Also, where did Fritzler's logic for Charter come from? It seems suspicious that Max immediately buddied up to Fritzler.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #416 (isolation #23) » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:34 pm

Read 359 and you'll see my post was a joke-exaggeration

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #434 (isolation #24) » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:50 am

In the interest of pressuring charter into saying something useful and seeing if Fritzler's "tactic" works,

Vote: Charter

. I don't find the Max wagon well founded. Does anyone have any more reasons why Max is scummy besides the two Mafia faction things and the IK thing which could have just been a not-careful-enough read?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #435 (isolation #25) » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:54 am

If charter finds Emptyger so suspicious, why does he vote for Max instead for just a single joke post?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #439 (isolation #26) » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:45 pm

@charter: Why, then, did I pick your wagon? I think that anyone would consider it a pretty good possibility to have two factions, thanks to the thematicness of this game. And good company? I myself am suspicious of Fritzler, since I'm not used to playing with him (or her, I don't really know). And you didn't answer my question as to why not vote for Emptyger.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #458 (isolation #27) » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:32 pm

I'm still dying to know charter's theory as to why I picked his wagon.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #474 (isolation #28) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:31 am

What's so scummy about Vollkan? He's just trying to use math to find a good lynch target. Max, was your ultra-fos a joke post or not? Charter, answer my @#$% question. Ortolan, you're suspicious of me because someone else made a suspicious post? BTW, if Charter is lynched and he's town, we can ride Fritz on a rail tomorrow...

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #477 (isolation #29) » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:58 pm

A test post excuse? Sounds fabricated.
They ALWAYS turn up town? Raises eyebrows
You don't find them particularly scummy? Grabs big stick stage left...

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #495 (isolation #30) » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:08 pm

489: I'm supposed to say something about something that isn't there? It was a mistake on the mod's part. What's your point?

Will charter please answer my question?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #544 (isolation #31) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:07 am

I find it very scummy that charter refuses to answer my question. I'm not defending max, I just find charter more suspicious. Also, as Vi brought it up, why are you defending my claim with supposed words that were in your PM? Don't you think that every PM is different?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #547 (isolation #32) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:54 am

Sheesh! Another Fritzler! WHY THE HECK DO YOU THINK I'M NOT TOWN!

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #563 (isolation #33) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:03 am

"greatest threat?" Someone definitely has inside info here.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #567 (isolation #34) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:06 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:Hear ye, hear ye.

Max is town.

Blatant shootdown contradiction without reasoning? Um....

I don't like that charter seems to be slipping away from suspicion.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #568 (isolation #35) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:07 pm

Hey! I finally noticed that the MafiaScum logo is a noose and a gun! I always thought it was some sort of groin harness...

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #574 (isolation #36) » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:13 pm

Kairyuu wrote:Vi made me do it.

ROFL!

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #587 (isolation #37) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:49 am

I disappeared, Kuribo, because I went on a three day trip to Tampa to play in the Florida All-State Orchestra. RT*P

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #588 (isolation #38) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:33 am

charter wrote: Nothing, there's a vague PM on page one. He could have just checked that.

Are you trying to get me modkilled?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #589 (isolation #39) » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:38 am

I'm not taking my vote off Charter until he answers my question

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #621 (isolation #40) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:00 pm

Let's see here... Charter ignores my question again, and admits it (which was, by the way, his secret knowledge as to the true reason I voted for him), his comment that antitown players always flip up town seems to go unnoticed, and he claims to have secret knowledge of my PM's wording, and when asked about it, takes it back and says that the PM is on the first page.

In response to the person who asked, yes, I do think charter is scum, and I don't like how DGB knows that Max is town and that Emptyger has essentially given up on Charter's pressuring.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #630 (isolation #41) » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:24 pm

I want charter to tell me. I detest his refusal to answer a simple question, now that I'm convinced that it's not just "you're scum". Also, I hate how he just dodges the rest of my post by implying that I'm a psychopath that just wants to think he's scum. "If you're the cop don't investigate me." What the heck?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #674 (isolation #42) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:40 am

Actually, it's quite likely that we have a double voter, considering that this is an Election Mafia. Charter's claim sounds like a trick to not get me to investigate him. My vote stays, as you could have claimed earlier without me having to get other people to notice your purposeful ignoring. BTW, you still haven't answered my question...

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #681 (isolation #43) » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:29 pm

You're giving up too easily Idiotking, you can still defend yourself very well.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #711 (isolation #44) » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:13 pm

charter wrote:
zwetschenwasser wrote:Actually, it's quite likely that we have a double voter, considering that this is an Election Mafia. Charter's claim sounds like a trick to not get me to investigate him. My vote stays, as you could have claimed earlier without me having to get other people to notice your purposeful ignoring. BTW, you still haven't answered my question...
Where does this double voter talk come from? Did I miss something? If you don't believe me then go ahead investigate me and get your ass killed. If you're actually that dumb to investigate a claimed PGO then you should just get yourself killed early regardless. Also, I didn't need to claim, I was under no real pressure. I only did so because you threatened to investigate me. I believe that the correct play for a PGO is to not claim. Once you said you would investigate me, then I believe it's time to claim, as an almost guaranteed loss of an uncountered cop is much worse than a PGO remaining hidden. I even said assume you have a guilty on me. It really doesn't matter because I'll most likely be policy lynched at some point.

Why am I being questioned more than Zwet for my name/roleclaim? Mine isn't one that will save me from a lynch, in fact it nearly guarantees my lynch at some point. His saved him from being lynched and there was barely any questioning of it. I will have to go back and take a looksee and see who feels these situations are different.

Growl...I believe you.

Unvote

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #724 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:09 pm

Emp: did you notice I unvoted?
DGB: from other games you act crazy when your scum. Why is Emp innocent. Fritzler, start saying something useful!!

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #734 (isolation #46) » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:35 am

Figuring what out?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #743 (isolation #47) » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:12 am

Vi: Why am I not scum?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #764 (isolation #48) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:36 am

Hm... You're an omnipotent god who knows the mod's identity. Is it okay for me to investigate you tonight or does your role act like a PGO?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #766 (isolation #49) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:13 am

I don't particularly need a doc protect, as the Mafia is likely to not kill me so as to make me look more suspicious tomorrow. We don't even know if there is a doctor.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #790 (isolation #50) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:58 pm

DGB: I'm pretty sure I came up with that theory a while ago... And I don't believe that you're a daycop. Could you nameclaim?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #792 (isolation #51) » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:02 pm

He better not be a bomb, cuz I'm investigating him if he's not lynched!

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #859 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:04 am

This better not be a screwed up Radical Republican game where the bias of the reporters make them think that Obama is trying to rig the election and John McCain should win, or I'll shoot myself. On another note, I'm ecstatic that I have a better reason to vote charter!

Vote: Charter

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #861 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:13 am

Why? You're a BS manipulative scum PGO not an omnipotent god!

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #863 (isolation #54) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:15 am

And that implies...

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #866 (isolation #55) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:21 am

Reverse psychology will do you no good this time, scum!

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #869 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:22 am

Exactly!

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #873 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:54 am

Shadiness is relative.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #955 (isolation #58) » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:09 pm

Unvote; Vote: Max

I think you should claim, Max. And I had no idea that DGB's thing was BS, which is why I revoted charter.

zwetschenwasser · Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:49 am

Max, stop lying. Give us concrete reasons for why you were so vague all this time. It's impossible that you would have hesitated so long to claim if all you were was a vig. And where do you get these "odds increased for town" theories, and why did you change your position from wanting to survive the night to wanting suicide? You sound like a rainbowfish in a net of barbed wire.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #1012 (isolation #60) » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:33 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:Also, I notice now Max is claiming compulsive vig. Which probably means he's really a SK or something.
I could buy that. I feel in my gut that Max is telling the truth, though. If I'm wrong, I should never trust my gut, and Max, ever again.

It sounds like she's weaving a path out of suspicion if she is wrong about Max...

zwetschenwasser · Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:28 am

Bah! Told you so. Go town!

zwetschenwasser · Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:48 am

What result would I have gotten on vi? Town?

zwetschenwasser · Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:51 am

Hey, are you the famed Obama alt?