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I did think that (I didn't know it for sure but I made a safe guess), which is why I wasn't particularly swayed by their presentation of the case on you and by claiming Gimli is their second top SR.In post 1394, Klick wrote: If you knew Rat's meta, you'd know that's well within their bounds as a scum player
But as Rat said in the pedit, they adjusted their playstyle and that made me TR them.-
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I have zero qualms with your play and smiled quite a bit when I saw your post about 6-2In post 1397, Radical Rat wrote:
I do still think that multiball doesn't apply here, and I can pull similar tunnels as Town, but yeah, I was really worried you'd be able to remind enough people of that to turn things around. Which is indeed why I got "regularly combative" about it, though I hope I wasn't too frustrating to deal withIn post 1394, Klick wrote: If you knew Rat's meta, you'd know that's well within their bounds as a scum player
It was frustrating! But that was part of your job-
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Aureal she/herMafia Scumshe/her
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And this is what I kept trying to say about people trying to meta-read me, a player who basically doesn't have scum meta yet people want to assume illogical things anyway. And then that somehow looked like signaling to Drew? It was the continuation of months of him deciding he knows how to read me based off of nothing but my varied town play, and I've always pushed back at it because it's silly.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Meta is incredibly strong but also most uses of it are poor-
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ActionDan He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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If I was using meta I would have said gilmi was playing like a scumlordI'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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boohooIn post 1330, gob wrote: yea really love getting ignored when its super obvious im not scum-
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blaming gob for being a complete dork thank you and good night-
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Aureal she/herMafia Scumshe/her
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Well you kinda made me paranoid that you and Dan were playing 5D chess trying to bait Kira into blowing assassination on the wrong person. Dan crumbed Willow, youIn post 1383, DragonEater70 wrote:
Now I MUST knowIn post 1381, Aureal wrote:
I'm not sure you want me to answer that.In post 1351, DragonEater70 wrote: Aureal could you explain why you targeted us btw?askedhim about crumbs and he responded defensively. That sure mademego look for crumbs and figure out that he was crumbing to T-Bone. And then you tried to flashwagon the slot! That's why I was arguing you were a follower the next day, you sure looked like you could be intentionally trying to call attention to Willow being detective. If I didn't know Gimli was Kira I'd seriously have been considering that you could be a follower. I evaluated that most likely things were just as they appeared, but couldn't rule out you being detective (especially since Dan also townread you so you and him were the rest of the detective shortlist). And since I'm probably the only one paranoid enough to come up with such a theory I went with it, to cover our bases just in case. Getting the detective asap was my top priority."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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ActionDan He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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I wasn't sure what best play was regarding Crumbs as assistant. Tough decision to crumb or not at allI'll give you a moment to let that sink in-
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sorry for rep-out.
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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In post 22, Enchant wrote: Dragon is awesome.
Because indeed, RR IS Kira Follower of Gimli.
But i guess, Dragon will be convincing against it. Still, Gimli in hot situation.-
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Aureal she/herMafia Scumshe/her
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Yeah, things were pretty tight for a good while there. I realized there was a good chance to be outed as follower (whether voluntarily or not) and so was trying to keep somewhat distanced from Gimli, and made what I figured would look like a push on him that I believed in but wouldn't convince others. Eventually Dan started his EoD wagon on Gimli though and I knew it was time to cut bait. I find it baffling that people don't see it when my reasoning is actually contrived like it was there, yet reasoning that I would totally have as town constantly gets picked on.
GG, and thanks Enchant for modding this again!
I'm still confused why the detective getsbetterinformation if the assistant doesn't help than if they do. (Yeah it led town astray this time but that was very circumstantial)"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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It's not necessarily better information, just different, and while Assistant is alive helping the Detective does still have the option to use Stalk.In post 1414, Aureal wrote: Yeah, things were pretty tight for a good while there. I realized there was a good chance to be outed as follower (whether voluntarily or not) and so was trying to keep somewhat distanced from Gimli, and made what I figured would look like a push on him that I believed in but wouldn't convince others. Eventually Dan started his EoD wagon on Gimli though and I knew it was time to cut bait. I find it baffling that people don't see it when my reasoning is actually contrived like it was there, yet reasoning that I would totally have as town constantly gets picked on.
GG, and thanks Enchant for modding this again!
I'm still confused why the detective getsbetterinformation if the assistant doesn't help than if they do. (Yeah it led town astray this time but that was very circumstantial)
Stalk gives a guaranteed guilty, but cannot give a guaranteed clear, and is also highly unlikely to catch Kira, because if Kira's using Assassinate it's PROBABLY because they're sure on a detective.
Brainstorm gives (almost) guaranteed clears, but cannot give a guaranteed guilty, but is also more likely to be able to catch Kira, because while Kira DOES have ways to hide from it, using swap/hide is extremely situational.-
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If only I didn't repp out, I would have put it all together.In post 514, Doctor Drew wrote:
Using STD's general play style to find Kira seems like a fools gameIn post 511, Gimli wrote: I'll try before EOD to work out interactions between the other 5 and see what fits better
I think we can just try to towncore it and flip kira today, which means getting to a agreement on a player that stayed throughout this under the radar and not getting talked to much or entertained as a potential d1 flip
last game STD was kira and had an almost flawless d1 getting very little pushes against him by just coasting and being agreeable
that's the profile we're hitting d1 with the most likelihood of flipping kira
Wouldn't Kira want to be out there?
Or just forgot about being weary of Gimli and would be upset with myself post game lol
Sorry for the repp out though'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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Aureal she/herMafia Scumshe/her
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I would assume Write would also be shown by Stalk, not just Assassination. Which means Stalk is basically a Disloyal Tracker and could give a high-confidence guilty on Kira themself by tracking them to a kill, with the only other option still being a follower who happened to target the same person as Kira did. Brainstorm might catch out your assistant in addition to the Kira-aligned; and while technically they could just not act rather than risk being stalked, that's not a good move at all in most any circumstances on day 1 at the least.In post 1415, Radical Rat wrote:
It's not necessarily better information, just different, and while Assistant is alive helping the Detective does still have the option to use Stalk.In post 1414, Aureal wrote: Yeah, things were pretty tight for a good while there. I realized there was a good chance to be outed as follower (whether voluntarily or not) and so was trying to keep somewhat distanced from Gimli, and made what I figured would look like a push on him that I believed in but wouldn't convince others. Eventually Dan started his EoD wagon on Gimli though and I knew it was time to cut bait. I find it baffling that people don't see it when my reasoning is actually contrived like it was there, yet reasoning that I would totally have as town constantly gets picked on.
GG, and thanks Enchant for modding this again!
I'm still confused why the detective getsbetterinformation if the assistant doesn't help than if they do. (Yeah it led town astray this time but that was very circumstantial)
Stalk gives a guaranteed guilty, but cannot give a guaranteed clear, and is also highly unlikely to catch Kira, because if Kira's using Assassinate it's PROBABLY because they're sure on a detective.
Brainstorm gives (almost) guaranteed clears, but cannot give a guaranteed guilty, but is also more likely to be able to catch Kira, because while Kira DOES have ways to hide from it, using swap/hide is extremely situational."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Little Will o' Wisp He/HimGoonHe/Him
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In post 24, Enchant wrote: Putting "L" as avatar while being L and being detective is probably biggest flex you can perform in game.
Glad you liked it! I figured I could get away with it because I was the only player whose username starts with an "L".In post 25, Enchant wrote: And i love it.You can call me "Willow".-
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You would assume wrong.In post 1417, Aureal wrote: I would assume Write would also be shown by Stalk, not just Assassination.
- Stalk. Choose living player and learn who they visit this night.
- Write. This ability doesn't count as Visit.
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It is specified that the ONLY visiting abilities are Shinigami Eyes and Assassinate, regardless of whether the flavor of an ability would imply visitation.-
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Aureal she/herMafia Scumshe/her
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Okay, it's in the Kira PM, I looked most everywhere else trying to figure that out. The setup info is kind of hard to put together with relevant things scattered around here and there. I nearly only submitted one night one action because my PM says I can only use one role ability per phase but that seemed redundant because I only had one "role ability", and I had to go dig around the setup more to find that "skills" can be used with "role abilities"."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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It's not. Swapping exist and Write is Role ability.In post 1421, Aureal wrote: I nearly only submitted one night one action because my PM says I can only use one role ability per phase but that seemed redundant because I only had one "role ability"
Of course, Assistant and Detective also need to choose, if they using their abilities or Write.Wizard-Mercenary
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It also explained in "Skills" section of setup.Wizard-Mercenary
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Either way, T3 i aksed to review game (And i failed to find ANYONE ELSE willing to review game!), basically said (not direct citation):
"I don't get these complex setups. I guess it's balanced, but abilities kinda useless and it's swingy."
Reviewer of first version were R9, and that's why Kira need to survive 5 days, not 6. But it was long ago, i forgot what suggestions i get. I guess i may find review thread.
Found it:
viewtopic.php?t=90283Wizard-Mercenary
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