TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

[Cook]

that is a precarious position to be in, especially if you're town

[Cook]

do you have a role? or are you just VT

[Cook]

cards drawn:
cook - town 3-shot multishot day vigilante (can shoot multiple times in the same day. used all my shots already on ccs (failed due to rolestop), itinerants (werewolf vip (kidnapper but it lives when killed)), and bingle (the mafia inventor who gave me the trolley)
gamma emerald - mafia kidnapper (reduplicates kills made on it to its target)
eiralox - 1-shot pgo (reflexively activates, role is by bicephalous bob so eir claims)
ZZZX - yet to claim
elements - VT (not_mafia picked only winners, and got them vanillaized, so this isn't a specific card)

[Cook]

Why is it more precarious at town?
Whichever way you look at it I'm in a bad position for my team whoever thay may be

i was just in a game where i rep'd in to a scummy town slot and got killed to lose the game as a result

it's precarious no matter what way you slice it, it's just especially precarious like this

[Cook]

eira... i was SRing eira but i'm now realizing that was because bingle was saying so. and bingle flipped red. so that wouldn't make sense

Why could that not be distancing?
I think Eira's positioning around the Bingle wagon could be used as a good argument for them being aligned

that's totally true, vibes don't feel like it was purposeful though to me

welcome to disagree ofc i'm thinking out loud here

[Cook]

...there's no chance there's two mafia left right

[Cook]

i hope i'm not one of two townies here lmao

[Cook]

if there is
one of them's zzzx

the ambiguity of this quote-

i jest

are you willing to stake the game on that?

[Cook]

so you mean 2 maf + 1 ww?
I was thinking scum players

yeah but i still don't think that makes any sense

nobody's acting aligned rn

[Cook]

...there's no chance there's two mafia left right

2 wolves maybe, but not 2 mafia

y'think wolves would be popular enough for that?

[Cook]

day 1 - flavor leaf and guillotina exit
day 1 - martyr moratorium'd kills after being exe'd
night 1 - cop sacrifice got around it
day 2 - the bibliophile and book club member were exe'd
night 2 - koba the doc died
day 3 - itinerants the wolf and bingle the maf are expertly scumread
day 3 - titus was yeeted
night 3 - our lord and savior the gdoc and megazu were murdered
day 4 - who knows

[Cook]

...wait that might not be the best idea

just realised what this means

you see it too?

[Cook]

does it mean we could potentially force the kill on you?

then no, you didn't see it

okay, let's assume there's

3

Town

(me you gamma),

1

Mafia

(ZZZX for this exercise), and an

Alien

(eiralox) or someone with an extra kill, doesn't really matter how they got there

we vote out ZZZX, and then gamma kidnaps me. eiralox shoots gamma, killing both me and her at the same time.

by tomorrow morning, we have:

eiralox (

Alien

) and you (

Town

)

aliens win

[Cook]

does it mean we could potentially force the kill on you?

then no, you didn't see it

okay, let's assume there's

3

Town

(me you gamma),

1

Mafia

(ZZZX for this exercise), and an

Alien

(eiralox) or someone with an extra kill, doesn't really matter how they got there

we vote out ZZZX, and then gamma kidnaps me. eiralox shoots gamma, killing both me and her at the same time.

by tomorrow morning, we have:

eiralox (

Alien

) and you (

Town

)

aliens win

in the Alien world, I think the aliens would have used their kill last night?

and i just don't think they'd do that unless they had perfect positioning going into today

[Cook]

does it mean we could potentially force the kill on you?

then no, you didn't see it

okay, let's assume there's

3

Town

(me you gamma),

1

Mafia

(ZZZX for this exercise), and an

Alien

(eiralox) or someone with an extra kill, doesn't really matter how they got there

we vote out ZZZX, and then gamma kidnaps me. eiralox shoots gamma, killing both me and her at the same time.

by tomorrow morning, we have:

eiralox (

Alien

) and you (

Town

)

aliens win

yea, that is what I saw

I'm thinking Gamma will target between me and eira
that way you are the only safe kill

seems solid

gamma what do you think of elements' plan

nothing, i'm just pinging it

[Cook]

...there's no chance there's two mafia left right

2 wolves maybe, but not 2 mafia

y'think wolves would be popular enough for that?

Perhaps, but I mainly think 2 mafia (which means 5 total to start) would never pass

5 mafia to one wolf…

that’s kinda just a large normal innit

[Cook]

does it mean we could potentially force the kill on you?

then no, you didn't see it

okay, let's assume there's

3

Town

(me you gamma),

1

Mafia

(ZZZX for this exercise), and an

Alien

(eiralox) or someone with an extra kill, doesn't really matter how they got there

we vote out ZZZX, and then gamma kidnaps me. eiralox shoots gamma, killing both me and her at the same time.

by tomorrow morning, we have:

eiralox (

Alien

) and you (

Town

)

aliens win

yea, that is what I saw

I'm thinking Gamma will target between me and eira
that way you are the only safe kill

seems solid

gamma what do you think of elements' plan

nothing, i'm just pinging it

???

target between elements and eiralox, but don’t tell us which

forces the kill onto me

[Cook]

I was wondering why you wanted to die with an unused shot but upon looking over your ISO I see where it went

yeah if i had an unused shot i’d try to solve with it

little miffed the ccs kill didn’t go through from a “i had a dayvig and managed to hit the one player immune to them” but oh well at least he wins with town now

[Cook]

i don’t exactly like Unknown Role but that does explain a lot thank you zzzx

[Cook]

is it because they’re the not_mafia slot or is it because they’re in the not_mafia slot

[Cook]

is it because they’re the not_mafia slot or is it because they’re in the not_mafia slot

Not sure what you mean, but in a sense I can believe those roles being picked by NM, but tbh I accepted that the VT claim is either NAI at best, or slight scum lean because its very avoiding, but I think reading on roles at this point doesn't help much tbh

there's no difference between the two, it was a little joke. sorry that it didn't get across well

either way, NM totally would have picked those roles, that's something NM would definitely do

it is also very... helpful? for the NM slot as a whole to effectively have an unreadable player in the first day of the game

[Cook]

i don’t exactly like Unknown Role but that does explain a lot thank you zzzx

Well, I liked to pick my roles around having the power to create controlled chaos (e.g. Death faker), having the power to win the game with the correct condition (Town pyro, dosing people who I think will survive to 3-4 man, and in a lim-lo night just ignite everyone else to try and win), or just believing in the chance (E.g. the unknown role), and it worked nicely since things like the unknown role aren't a death sentence if claimed (compared to other anti-town roles which if caught are 100% scum and you have to fake claim).

Although the roles I RNG'd in this game are tragic.

yeah that's totally fair i kinda picked based off of control to try to make the game more townsided

[Cook]

either IC myself and get put in a good masonry, or vanillaize everyone, or get three bullets

the alien was a halfhearted choice tbh

[Cook]

i forgot about that lmao

[Cook]

does it mean we could potentially force the kill on you?

then no, you didn't see it

okay, let's assume there's

3

Town

(me you gamma),

1

Mafia

(ZZZX for this exercise), and an

Alien

(eiralox) or someone with an extra kill, doesn't really matter how they got there

we vote out ZZZX, and then gamma kidnaps me. eiralox shoots gamma, killing both me and her at the same time.

by tomorrow morning, we have:

eiralox (

Alien

) and you (

Town

)

aliens win

yea, that is what I saw

I'm thinking Gamma will target between me and eira
that way you are the only safe kill

seems solid

gamma what do you think of elements' plan

nothing, i'm just pinging it

???

target between elements and eiralox, but don’t tell us which

forces the kill onto me

I,ve never read this page even

Yall know how pgo works right

If gamma is town kidnap that means 2 town deaths, elements scum kills u scum wins

the thought was wifom i think

let's back it up though. ignore the kidnapper. to win, we need to kill scum today

as long as we can find one scum we can realistically find the other one, 33% chance or so

[Cook]

i forgot about that lmao

Yeah its cool took me too long to realize d3 btw so common thought it seems

who proc'd the pt-positive check on itinerants

[Cook]

Or only gamma dies visiting me action resolution noob

what do you mean?

[Cook]

Or only gamma dies visiting me action resolution noob

what do you mean?

Im an action resolution noob. If gamma visits and i kill her do i still die or does the kidnap fail.

Not important just realized i dont know

kills generally don't stop other actions. in some action resolutions, role/alignment changes are about the only thing that can be stopped by a kill without a modifier.

i forgot about that lmao

Yeah its cool took me too long to realize d3 btw so common thought it seems

who proc'd the pt-positive check on itinerants

Yeah i believed iten in scum pt lel
After that thought hey maybe lone wolf
Then read flip and knew
And unorthocop having to find only 1 wolf highly unlikely
I can see the last scum maybe having a role lik itenerants vip
Maybe not, maybe 2 much scum power then?

Zzzxx has a point on bulletproof maybe
But can imag8ne there being just a goon

i think solo scum still get a PT fwiw but the double kill confirms there's another one imo

unorthocop isn't really a helpful role to find wolves though. see, Alternate Mafia is an actual faction. it's flavored like another family of the mafia. it gets found by unorthocop, like how cop finds mafia

[Cook]

Kidnap can also not be used, or be used on scum, why are we assuming the worst only?

If we hit scum today, kidnap can be used for a 50-50 on scum, or simply be not used since the chance of bulletproof means it might not be worth it with the way things are.

ya true, we need to find two scum today if we're doing that though

[Cook]

and whats more be willing to stake the game on it

hope for the best, prepare for the worst, yknow

[Cook]

do you think there's 2 scum in {Eiralox, ZZZX, Elements}?

[Cook]

I tuned out ZZZX after like 2 posts but he is my pick for who to vote out here

so that's two for ZZZX, one for eiralox

[Cook]

elements last was thinking about eiralox i think so...

[Cook]

I tuned out ZZZX after like 2 posts but he is my pick for who to vote out here

who's the other scum then gamma

[Cook]

Elements probably

do you think it's a good idea to use your kidnapper ability on them, assuming zzzx is the other scum

[Cook]

elements last was thinking about eiralox i think so...

I've thought it over and would much prefer zzzx

i could go either way but i think town just loses if i'm wrong

[Cook]

Elements probably

do you think it's a good idea to use your kidnapper ability on them, assuming zzzx is the other scum

how would this help anyone?
If I am the last scum I've already said I'm targetting you
If I'm not this loses the game
I think Gamma not targetting is probably the right move

sorry i'm still like three steps back on strategizing

gamma actually probably do this instead

[Cook]

think so, yes

[Cook]

yeah with the way i shot i've been mechcleared and now i'm tapped out

[Cook]

yeah with the way i shot i've been mechcleared and now i'm tapped out

*mtg term meaning "no sources of mana to play spells with". i'm using it here to indicate i am out of actions to do aside from vote

[Cook]

yeah with the way i shot i've been mechcleared and now i'm tapped out

*mtg term meaning "no sources of mana to play spells with". i'm using it here to indicate i am out of actions to do aside from vote

holding 4 simian spirit guides in hand

these things?

[Cook]

lemme count my cards rq

[Cook]

EXILE: Simian Spirit Guide

EXILE: Simian Spirit Guide

EXILE: Simian Spirit Guide

EXILE: Simian Spirit Guide

TAP: Plains

TAP: Plains

VOTE: Eiralox

[Cook]

forgot it was my turn! first step is untap, isn't it?

[Cook]

really hoping that was scum

[Cook]

it'd be hilarious if eiralox just hadn't killed all game or something

[Cook]

i dunno

[Cook]

gg

What was the inspiration for killing itinerants?

it was a sacrificial play! meg (i think it was meg?) claimed she had a PT-positive result on itinerants and i wanted to try to distance myself as best i could
plus, i saw the opportunity to absolutely

nuke

bingle for fakeclaiming

that is objectively the funniest game of mafia i've ever played

"e-1, claim?"
"

DAYVIG

"
"your shot failed

turns out to be nontown

"
*two days later*
"hey uh i have a mechanical guilty on bingle"
"no you don't i'm necromancer"
"

DAYVIG

also here's a hero shot

DAYVIG

"
*is mech cleared for the rest of the game*

legendary

[Cook]

unrelatedly itinerants actually activated eiralox's 1-shot PGO and i should have realized that lmao

[Cook]

okay but HOW did nobody call me on my bluff with the trolley problem lever

mod even posted saying i didn't have it

Cook did not have the opportunity to accept an invention that would reveal the true Role PM (without redactions) of all non-town, non-mafia players.

[Cook]

it was there from the getgo it was just conveniently at the bottom of a page when the day started on the next one

[Cook]

okay but HOW did nobody call me on my bluff with the trolley problem lever

mod even posted saying i didn't have it

Cook did not have the opportunity to accept an invention that would reveal the true Role PM (without redactions) of all non-town, non-mafia players.

True this was a guilty in some sense

Well played though, I probably would have rationalized it as some sort of semantic difference between wording if I had lived and noticed it.

Congratz on a well deserved win

thanks

did y'all trust me that much after the dayvig shots

[Cook]

huh i was reading mod pt wrong then

[Cook]

btw, cook, why didnt you mention the invention D2?

initially, you'll see this in the wolf PT, i was gonna draft out a statement that said i could basically end the game with this invention that i got and ask if people wanted to take the "cheap way out"

then i decided against it and was gonna try to bait the inventor out. no role should give me something that obviously gamebreaking. it just so happened that you claimed you had a gamebreaking role... and so that kinda changed up the plan

[Cook]

sorry for the replace. i was simply not having fun

all good! rather you have fun than force you

[Cook]

*to play a game you aren’t enjoying

[Cook]

no redactions here