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[JacksonVirgo]

You will find it beyond interesting how many things Jackson mentions that you can see with the wolf we lim'd, whether it is from compound roles (even when we had no reason to believe that to exist), complex (only working on non-VTs), and other information that had no reason to really come out. And you can see the difference between that and wiz's post about informed, which ended up being the case, as that was built on a reasoning line that makes sense, having the backup neighbor and what not. meanwhile, you can tell he has information that we didn't have. If you read his posts with the knowledge now, just iso him, and you will see what I mean.

Knowing how normal games function is not TMI. I have put a lot of effort in making complex and fun normal setups, it's not anything to do with this game and you saying that it is is just blasphemous and weak. I gave you many examples as to why the PRs could work the way they have and you appear to be cherry picking the ones that make it seem like I knew more than I led everyone to believe which is not the case.

Wiz and Passenger both had moments like this regarding talking about an informed role. Does that mean they're both scum too? No of course not. It can't apply to one and not the other

[JacksonVirgo]

In normal situations, this doesn't make sense, why be focused on Wiz? You can have an assumption or an answer to that point, and it might be fair, if not for the method that it was done.

I was focusing on Wiz because I could foresee that the final day would end up against me due to everything that's happening. He said that if Worstie flipped neighbour I'd be pushed, I knew he was neighbour because I am a neighbour. So I knew that all things happening would end up him conf-biasing me out of the game and land into a loss. I've been very clear about this and you pulling this as "this doesn't make sense" is just dumb

[JacksonVirgo]

I will tell you the quickest difference you can tell between every town and scum in this game, consistency, or lack thereof, with town's lack of information, we play with the assumption that anyone, could be scum. RN, even when he has a clean result on you, still had his questions, even if he didnt seriously consider it, he flip flopped on me like 5 times in the last day. That alone drove me to heavily town read him at that point. Wiz, you even had a similar thing, where you even suspected RN, Jackson had a very clear pin-point focus on me, with very, very little anything regarding TW, in fact looking at #762 and other posts, you can tell that it was a given that TW was scum for him, even though... well, I can't see him talking about TW much if at all? In fact, you spent more time discussing ME, discussing Mailman, where he somehow became an expert at the topic, AFTER me and RN brought it up, over the last 2 days. Just look at #501, his "earnest scum-reads" are me, and passenger. TW? Who is TW even? If Jackson is town, it should be obvious that Worst is scum, and in that case he would defend his case his hardest, town would not not-care in lim-lose, scum would not not-case in Scum v Town, the only explination for this dont-care behavior is a planned SvS. He spent half the day talking about me, limming me, or me being scum, but didn't bother voting. You might ask, why? Well, because after TW's vote, it would result in his being scum being aparent, when none quick hammers me, or Jackson, then by a simple PoE it would mean 100% that jackson is scum. And with the other pairings we had found, it would be a solved game.

Ducky was confirmed wolf pretty early on in the day, why would I waste effort to solve him. I've been very open in every part of the game, in fact I kept inviting people to discuss with me. Told passenger to clear the air, tell me why he thinks I'm wolf why he is the way he is so that if I was wrong I can be convinced as being close minded is dumb. I've been like this throughout the entire game, I've tried making sure to look into whether or not Wiz was confirmed town from the check or not. Considering worlds where RN was wolf too, you're again just picking and choosing what to call out.

You were also almost certainly confirmed wolf in my eyes as I TR RN by a pretty large degree and he cleared Wiz. You think I'd go and consider more worlds when it's so cemented that you're the wolf? I had a different perspective than RN, so our plays ARE DIFFERENT because of that.

[JacksonVirgo]

The entire section with bending over the losing just doesn't make sense. The reaction and mental state in a 3 man is never that, and in fact I am aware this is all an emotional ploy, but I will say it anyway: If you get into a game, and decide to give up in a lim-lo situation, I don't find that acceptable. But in reality this is just emotional talk, intending to just set this entire thing up. The paragraph about the writing with those assumptions is just fake bs.

I haven't given up but I was going to, just be glad I didn't do a shit thing and give up.

[JacksonVirgo]

You can tell already by this point, that all of his setup for last night was for this point, this entire post is just appealing to emotions. and sure, that is something that I myself often do in some games. But here, it is simply a ploy thats built on everything in the last day. I am not going to comment on RL situation, because I understand that happened, but in reality when its proven that you DID read the game, and you WERE aware of being voted, and having no reaction to that. You didn't give up, you went "lets setup ZZZX, talk about a random note about ZZZX reads!" instead of putting your reads, talking about TW situation, or anything else of use.

I never let off that I didn't read the game. I skimmed it between moments and posted whenever I felt I wanted to post.

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly, this entire post is just WIFOM

It's easy to disregard arguments by saying it's WIFOM, try a little bit harder

[JacksonVirgo]

In fact, you can tell with both me RN, the moment none claimed mailman, BOTH OF US AGREED THAT THERE WAS NO NEED TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER, it was clear the mailman was scum refusing to claim, and there were no tools in the game to find said Mailman, so it would make more sense to avoid any chaos or bs from the topic. Yet you find Jackson very deep in this topic, hence why I went into it here.

I'm allowed to discuss what I feel is important to discuss. It's mechanics that exist so discussing it is worthwhile. Why would a neighbour also require being a compulsive neighbour? What's the point of that? When the entire setup is linked around the Traffic Analyst, which makes it a useless mech.

[JacksonVirgo]

And to prove how useless a vote actually is and it's more often used to make a point, here's a vote.
VOTE: ZZZ

[JacksonVirgo]

And Jackson, you didn't ignore TW when it was clear TW is scum, you didnt mention TW, and none truly saw TW as confirmed scum. So a town-you would've tried to convince us, instead of doing nothing. No?

I don't really understand what you're saying sorry brother

[JacksonVirgo]

If you look early last day, none had the worst as confirmed scum, and you ignored him when everyone was discussing him/and you. And instead commented on my read list which was very irrelevant there.

Is that more legible?

Oh yeah that makes more sense. I just didn't really have the energy to go against someone like him at that point in time, so I just avoided doing so for my own sanity.

[JacksonVirgo]

And when I say like him, I meant someone going for my jugular the way he did. Not him as a person, I love him

[JacksonVirgo]

It did find it really weird how Jackson only voted when they thought it would be the hammer—sure, we can say it was due to frustration, but it feels odd to rescind the vote based on it not ending the elimination right there. While we can’t really extrapolate much from the lack of responses earlier on in D3, this refusal to vote (and refusal to keep their vote) was super odd to me even at the time, and I’m glad you also noted it as weird.

I have to re-iterate my playstyle. I don't value a vote and only place it when it's functional in nature. Whether that be to put pressure on a scummy slot, or to hammer. I don't feel the need to place it just for the sake of placing it.

[JacksonVirgo]

I hate to use this, but I feel there’s a burden of proficiency on Jackson here. Jackson had a lot of wrong reads the entire game (especially scumreads), which is rather suspicious—not conclusive by any means, but still, they did lead the town to the wrong target on D2 and did not assist much, if at all, during D3.

While I am very appreciative that you think this highly of me but realistically what do you expect of me? I join a game where nothings happened and I catch someone outright lying (Passenger) and I pushed ZZZ. Neither of these were wrong pushes. I still stand by my Passenger push because that was just scummy, kinda still shocked that they're Town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson was rather weird about my theory, which could be due to frustration or something along those lines, but I also have to consider how it could also an active attempt to discourage a real solve. Interestingly, multiple people (including me) noted the possibility of a double-Neighbor scumteam D2 after the massclaim, so it must be at least something notable.

Definitely just frustration and I would be frustrated about that regardless of my alignment. It was pushing me for reasons that were not even anywhere close to being confirmed, you were seeming to be living in dreamland rather than down on earth and I was fighting against that. Of course I was frustrated

[JacksonVirgo]

Compulsive Disloyal Messenger Neighbor Werewolf

I know I'm biased as I know I'm not this, but holy god this is absolutely insane to consider is in the game.

[JacksonVirgo]

I admit, at this point at the end of the game there’s so much information to comb through that it’s rather overwhelming. There’s good evidence for both sides here, and it’s so incredibly hard to try to figure out what the best choice is—I feel I might have to go with my gut most of all.

ZZZX has been quiet a lot of the game and consistently rather suspicious. Jackson has been so active in leading us away from the correct eliminations.

I… think I may have to vote soon if I want to make a decision that I stand by.

Away from the correct elims? Do you disagree that the Passenger wagon was needed? I also was pushing ZZZ primarily, who is a wolf. I'd say I did really well with my pushes

[JacksonVirgo]

Like they outright lied and was called out on it. Do you think that's not a solid push? I feel you're kinda not seeing what actually happened this game but just seeing the results and using that, which like is not how a game of mafia works

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm just the person that caught the lie

[JacksonVirgo]

If I could just ask y’all to make your final arguments for me in the next day, that would help me a lot.

I mean I've made my arguments, if you want more we should discuss. I don't really have time to keep making large chonky messages

[JacksonVirgo]

I will say, Jackson did say that they had to go help their mom in an area without signal/wi-fi around this point, so I’m unsure about this being able to be reasonably associated with anything but legitimate V/LA—at least, I think assuming it’s V/LA before anything malicious is probably best—so we can’t really take the lack of posts here as proof of anything, I think.

Also I did have access to internet, I just didn't care for this game over looking after her and my other priorities so I put this on the down-low and just skimmed whenever I had a spare moment but same difference overall

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson was rather weird about my theory, which could be due to frustration or something along those lines, but I also have to consider how it could also an active attempt to discourage a real solve. Interestingly, multiple people (including me) noted the possibility of a double-Neighbor scumteam D2 after the massclaim, so it must be at least something notable.

Also back to this, of course I'd discourage talk about a double wolf scum-team. I honestly felt it was a really dumb train of thought, mostly biased because I am Town but I don't want to discuss stuff that I know to be false outright. It doesn't benefit me. It doesn't help me solve, in fact given the state of the game I felt it dangerous for people to discuss it as I don't want to die in Limlo and the bringing it up repeatedly was actually really scary for me and kinda felt like it took my entire game and threw it out the window to discuss this possible mech-path that is so far-fetched to me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Double wolf, ugh. Double neighbour.

[JacksonVirgo]

F

[JacksonVirgo]

I wanna preface by saying I'm proud of you for winning, you did a great job throughout the entire game and it was pretty tough all things considered but I am a little frustrated personally that you ended up voting me based on a personality thing rather than anything about the game lol. Which is probably something to work on anyway but like I don't really care how confirmed you are, I'm not going to treat you like you're some person to be worshipped but oh well, it is what it is. Congrats on the win Town <3

May have worded some frustrations in the scum chat throughout this game but it was super fun and holy shit I love this setup

[JacksonVirgo]

RN I wanna ask, did you SR me and just wanted to avoid getting shot?

[JacksonVirgo]

RN I wanna ask, did you SR me and just wanted to avoid getting shot?

What do you mean?

Maybe I was wrong but it felt like you were SRing me but didn't want me to think that you were SRing me, so I kept you alive in the final day.

[JacksonVirgo]

I had hard Scumread ZZZX.

Oh I see, I was wrong then. Lol, hilarious

[JacksonVirgo]

What was the purpose of the Mailman?

[JacksonVirgo]

The replacement was pretty damning, but I feel I did good enough at focusing away from it so it didn't really ultimately matter. The deadline change was also perfectly okay, I don't consider it super integrity-breaking or anything but I respect the transparency.

[JacksonVirgo]

So I read this game, when I saw Passenger's theory of two scum neighbors I thought it was wild. Turns out it was correct. Crazy stuff.

Honestly, seemed to come out of nowhere and not sure why they would throw that out with so much confidence.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah sole wolf + traitor isn't. I knew it wasn't when I said it.

[JacksonVirgo]

So... is it or isn't it Normal to have a Traitor and one Scum, but only the one Scum have Daytalk?

If so that would be so trippy with a Town Traffic Analyst in play.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah so that means main faction mafia. So you need two main faction mafia at least or it’s not normal :)

[JacksonVirgo]

Traitor isn’t main faction mafia but aligned with the mafia

[JacksonVirgo]

By the way, if none minds, is it possible to have either/both the neighborhood/scum PT released? I am actually curious how the chat in the neighborhood went haha

Waiting on ducky/blue I believe

[JacksonVirgo]

So, I made my request. Thanks Jackson for showing me how to play under pressure in my slot and ggwp everyone!

Yeah my tip generally is to never give up, even if you go down because how else would you really learn to deal with the heat if you don't deal with the heat ;)

[JacksonVirgo]

My god RN trapped me

Oh yes he did.

RN's third eye is open this phase and it do be spinning wildly in random directions but it do be open

I may have to quote this. If you ever notice this in the future it means I'm Town.

Are you Guillo?