secret hitler II 4pm EDT [7/7]

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I am INNN

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@Datisi if this feels up now do we wait or start now?

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confirm I'm a fascist-liberal

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which fucking moderator is trolling me by unlocking the thread

I think it might just be a bug because I had the same thing happening in the game I moderated.

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Does anyone want to tell me what to do? xxx

If we do the strategy from last round then you pick me I guess

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I know there's like a pattern to follow with nominations but I don't remember it

1 nominates 5, 2 nominates 6, 3 nominates 7

I dunno if this is legit but this is what town!Ceph recommended last game so I'm sheeping

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btw I claim NOT HITLER

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1526 is a strat but I don't recommend it because it's boring and actually reduces skill expression in a lot of ways

Fair

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what's the reason for the strat?

I haven't a clue but if I had to guess gun to head it maximizes knowledge of players' likely alignment in a very short time?

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save the dragons has a resolute mind that only a townie could have

Is this an actual read?

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btw I claim NOT HITLER

sounds like something hitler would say.

I know, I did it so you'd think I'm Hitler!

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This is where we ask you to explain why ^^

Personally Abnegation usually radiates town vibes and she doesn't do it here so I'm kinda sus of her

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save the dragons has a resolute mind that only a townie could have

Is this an actual read?

yes that is an actual read, I think save the dragons is liberal

Why? they only made fluff posts before you made that read. Do you townread fluff?

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Essentially by playing 1526 it reduces fasc options in a lot of ways and creates a lot of predictable SE scenarios so that even without reads liberals can make reasonably informed choices

What's SE?

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i ja'ed because i'm a power-hungry fascist.

This is actually not a town post but an attempt by Abnegation to imitate her town meta.

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I nominated abnegation because I went with my heart
@DragonEater you're kind of right she hasn't radiated town yet but I guess I'll give it a little time

We'll see

Do you have any other reads?

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Okay I have a bit of a wild theory that Aisa is fascist and Abnegation is Hitler.

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And that Aisa used the nomination to signal to Abnegation

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i'm a fascist

i want to be chancellor!

This is basically Abnegation signaling she's Hitler? Maybe she didn't know the other Fascists already know her.

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FoS Abnegation, Aisa

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TR Lich

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Special election which is in effect generally where SH games are decided.

Uhhh I guess I'm more rusty on the rules than I thought. How do special elections work?

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oh dearie
1L 2F passed 1L 1F obvs

Huh so one or both are lying

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i'm a fascist

i want to be chancellor!

This is basically Abnegation signaling she's Hitler? Maybe she didn't know the other Fascists already know her.

Oh right isn't it fascists know Hitler but Hitler doesn't know fascists?

Yeha but IDK if Abnegation realized that

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That is a bizarre townread on TL who has only been stating reads but has not once given any support to back it up

They actually explained the TR on StD

I didn't necessarily agree with it but it does sound like town!Lich I guess

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I feel weird being the only one apart from Lich who's playing this like a game of mafia rather than focusing on the cards.

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your chancellor strategy is arbitrary and I need to know why you think abnegation, you, or meuh should never be chancellor

When did they say that?

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Who was in that dayvig game yesterday and remembers me making a similar post? </3

me!

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VCA in Secret Hitler???

Lovely

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I don't understand everyone giving TL a town pass for saying some very peculiar things from a town perspective but okay sure.

Have you ever played with town Lich?

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or how viable is fash bussing? i haven't really played this.

I think it's very viable since there are no kills.

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StD I would really aooreciate being picked but obviously you don't have to. I wouldn't mind you picking RC or Lich either.

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Oh okay you just did

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I don't know how I'd interpret 1526 as a strategy, I was assuming that was for table order

Yes but it goes around so after 152637 it's 516273

So you do get these people as chancellors.

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Oh I forgot to address DE70's question from 3eysteday
So far I think DE70might be town
Kind of confused about everyone else

What question? About reads?

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I think Abnegation is 95% scum here, Aisa is 50-50, Lich is 75% town and so is RC.
StD null and Meuh is probably scum by PoE unless Aisa StD Abnegation scum.

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DE why did you nein the last govt?

I sused Abnegation.

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my man you are strangely overconfident in some stances you've taken without an iota of reason.

That's lich,

If this wasn't a Marathon I'd link you Weird Dreams Mafia but it's too fast so I don't think you'll be able to even read it.

StD I would really aooreciate being picked but obviously you don't have to. I wouldn't mind you picking RC or Lich either.

This post sucks btw

Wow OMGUS much

DE's probably Hitler if he neined that first govt actually

How did you even arrive at that weird conclusion? I literally explained why I nein'd it (Sus Abnegation) and I don't think you need to ISO me to know that this is something I've been pushing all game and not made up reason like your SR on me.

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Okay this result makes me think the towncore is me lich std and RC

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I'll just post this again for visibility:

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my man you are strangely overconfident in some stances you've taken without an iota of reason.

That's lich,

If this wasn't a Marathon I'd link you Weird Dreams Mafia but it's too fast so I don't think you'll be able to even read it.

StD I would really aooreciate being picked but obviously you don't have to. I wouldn't mind you picking RC or Lich either.

This post sucks btw

Wow OMGUS much

DE's probably Hitler if he neined that first govt actually

How did you even arrive at that weird conclusion? I literally explained why I nein'd it (Sus Abnegation) and I don't think you need to ISO me to know that this is something I've been pushing all game and not made up reason like your SR on me.

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overconfidence is a strategy I should probably stop using

Maybe, I think you're more right than wrong overall though.

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what's the rule on term limits again? like, who can i not put as chancellor?

Anyone who was in the last one (so RC and STD)

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Cause there must be someone lying in first govt, so a fascist would've wanted that govt to go through, Hitler without info wouldn't have known

But why are you assuming I'm Fasc and not Lib if a Fasc would want it to go through?

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We just auto-nein what Abnegation suggests since she's Hitler.

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Cause there must be someone lying in first govt, so a fascist would've wanted that govt to go through, Hitler without info wouldn't have known

But why are you assuming I'm Fasc and not Lib if a Fasc would want it to go through?

Cause you're scum

Because i sucmread you? Or do you have actual logic for this?

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Guys can we agree Meuh is obvscum? She started SRing me the second I said she's scum and she has no reasons for the SR other than "you are scum"

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you're hitler.

Hitler found

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I already mentioned having bad feelings on you earlier bruh

Please quote this for me

Or just explain now why

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Wait does the president or Chancellor get to use the fascist power if a fasc is passed?

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Is DragonEater scum?

Oh less explicit than I remembered but yeah

Okay then maybe this isn't OMGUS, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

Can you give me a rundown of your scumread on me?

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If you town I wanna cooperate.

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RC why Meuh?

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Your posting is bad and it feels like it's trying to appeal to the aesthetics of being liberal more than actually trying to solve

Welp, I have been only trying to solve since game started so I'm very sad to hear that.

Um, I think if I was trying to appeal to aesthetics I would probably focus more on mech?

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Like right now I don't even have a clue on what's happening mechwise and just basing reads on dayplay.

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Meuh can you like explain why DE is scum fypov

she did.

True

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Meh I guess so but even the questions on reads and more mafia style of play oriented felt like they were made for looks
But like maybe that's just conf bias at this point meh

Probably, I guess I didn't change gears when I came into the game from playing mafia.

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I'm going to pick STD for invest unless someone stops me

Can you do Abnegation instead? This resolves both her and Aisa.

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ig if I were to expand on it, I think scum can more reliably try to look good through generic "helpful" posting and just throwing around a bunch of questions but it's hard to match tone in a marathon and I think DE is leaning on the former a bunch

WDYM by "match tone"?

Also I agree my tone here is very different than regular games but that's because I barely have time to think here.

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The alternative is I check meuh who I personally believe to be extremely likely lib but

This doesn't sound like a townpost to me. Why don't you check Abnegation/Aisa?

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they could still be S/S

I know, that's what I was thinking earlier but with the current red thing I don't think so anymore.

Did RC claim three red cards or what?

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DE saying this makes me think it's just DE/Aisa/Abnegation actually

Why???

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This feels like such a random shade

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If I invest Abnegation scum what happens? How do you know I'm not scum with Aisa? It's basically throwing the invest into the garbage bin

Well it gives us options

If you invest StD blue you could also be scum with or without him

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What does special election do again?

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I mean I'm gonna be honest

I've been pretty heavily sure that it's anti TL Demon Abnegation AbnegationH this entire game and nothing has really changed that

Investing Meuh liberal would be really nice if anti us can't be pushed but it's just getting pushed so

What do you mean by double Abnegation and Demon?

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Because your post sells the narrative of Aisa/Abne having exactly one scum AND it would be beneficial for you to push a lim there as scum with them

Wow I wish I could reach this deep into posts people were making as scum

Anyhow I have no clue who to nominate, all my townreads are no longer townreads.

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yeah... DE70 might be scum

fml

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I'm saying that because DE70 is way too coherent and understandable for a marathon

Are you serious???
I'm super tryharding right now because I am town.

Can you like TR me so we can actually pass a liberal gov here?

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PLEASE?

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I kinda feel like crying right now not gonna lie

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You know what? Yeah me too. Dragon if you want to nom STD I would support that govt

I'm so freaking paranoid of this but I don't think RC/Aisa/STD is the scumteam

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it indicates the posts are planned instead of thoughtstreams

Wha

I do have a notepad open every time the thread closes to gather my thoughts but most of my posts are like 100% thought streams.

You know what I'm so fucking tired of being scumread for bullshit reasons though so I'm not gonna argue

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wait what is aisa's scumtell?

"I can't focus on the game so I won't have good reads"

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Well, it doesn't even super matter if I'm scum - all you need to do is read STD, no?

I say this in every game I'm in and I'll say it again - i really really really suck at reading STD.

But I do think they're townie here so whatever I don't think any other freaking nomination i would do at this stage would pass.

Nominate STD

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wait what is aisa's scumtell?

"I can't focus on the game so I won't have good reads"

i mean it's true lol.

Sure but that's the tell they were referring to

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nice deflection, +town points for that

For whom?

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GJ scum you have manipulated me to the breaking point

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I give up

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well based on your claim I hope you are

Do you think Abnegation is town here? I don't think so

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i feel like this is how DE70 plays it's always going to be a little calculated and verbose

I guess?

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I mean my writing is very verbose even when I'm not playing mafia

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I think this accidentally unlocked

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I got one red and two blues

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it always seems to unlock a little before datisi posts the result.

I guess

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So anyway guys

I realized that I'm apparently being SR'd here for taking the game too seriously so I'm gonna chill now and hopefully this will help me feel better about the game and help you feel better about my slot.

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abnegation + temporallich+meuh's positions have seemed kinda aligned. That's correct, right?

I fully agree

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Well

We have to ja someone in TL Meuh Aisa

I have a vast preference for Meuh

I'll go with either Tl or Aisa tbh

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am I really gonna have to nominate aisa for chancellor?!

No? Nominate RC

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Idk if DE/Aisa stances towards each other is just scum protecting each other or if we're dealing with DE/Abne?

I think if you are town here you should be open to the possibility of your read on me being wrong. I was open to that possibility, I think it's only fair you do the same.

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i don't understand half of what you're saying RC

I kinda agree but still TR him for vibes

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BTW this is me after I decided to go chill mode

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BTW can I explain why I tr Aisa over Abnegation?

Abnegation still hasn't done anything towny since I pointed out she doesn't radiate town. She omgused me in a very stilted and scummy way (IMO). Also I don't see a reason for scum Aisa to lie about the cards she gave Abnegation AFTER Abnegation claimed her cards.

I know it COULD be SvS but I frankly don't think it is because there's enough scumminess across the board that it's unlikely.

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I was and then you made a post that I thought was just too scummy for me to ever townbin you I'm sorry

Which one?

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I'm getting mega yikes vibes from this government
I haven't voted yet. Anyone want to convince me it's not mega yikes

i am now more confident in this government.

this post scared me

+1

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BTW can I explain why I tr Aisa over Abnegation?

Abnegation still hasn't done anything towny since I pointed out she doesn't radiate town. She omgused me in a very stilted and scummy way (IMO). Also I don't see a reason for scum Aisa to lie about the cards she gave Abnegation AFTER Abnegation claimed her cards.

I know it COULD be SvS but I frankly don't think it is because there's enough scumminess across the board that it's unlikely.

there's a conflict whether she lies before or after though.
this only really makes her not hitler imo.

Uh true but to me she would feel more "believeable" if she said it before, which is why I think scum!her would be more likely to do it either before or not at all.

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Because your post sells the narrative of Aisa/Abne having exactly one scum AND it would be beneficial for you to push a lim there as scum with them

Wow I wish I could reach this deep into posts people were making as scum

Anyhow I have no clue who to nominate, all my townreads are no longer townreads.

Okay wow RIP any chance of you being town

This

First, I probably have horrible vibes in that post because I never use the word reach and it's a terrible word to use and IDK what's gotten over me to use that word

Second, I did have several townreads but at that point they all said things that made me suspect them and i wasn't sure who to nominate. Do you not believe I could actually have that happen to me?

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Who do I nom here even

I'm gonna be super cheeky here and say you should 100% nominate me

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and I think RC would fakeclaim as town anyway

Why???

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STD do you think Meuh is town or scum?

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I'm not sure what to vote here

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Wild shot in the dark - Aisa what are you voting here and why?

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You should ja unless you like Aisa a whole lot more than Abnegation

I do

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I'll just ya anyway

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wow okay I'm glad I did vote Ja

I think Meuh is probably town after all but let's see the claims first

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Yeah meuh is probtown

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I think scumteam might be Lich Aisa Abnegation

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alternative is to nein to 32

What's that mean?

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i think i know who im gonna pick

I assume me because i picked you? IDK actually

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Dragonteam!

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Find 3R pls

Why????

We want a blue policyyy

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CAN A DRAGON LOVER AND A DRAGON EATER PUT ASIDE THEIR DIFFERENCES AND UNITE UNDER A LIBERAL NATION

I mean as long as I'm still allowed to eat dragons I don't see why not

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Because I don't think ur lib

If you're lib I hope you get blue

I'm so liberal even my hair is blue

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Or at least my scales

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Let's finish this cause I gotta sleep and you all gotta play survivor

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STD you got 2 red one blue?

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Holy heck

So do you believe me now after I passed 2 blue policies?

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DE70 town

Right...

Thanks for the support my dude

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I'm very salty

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Does this actually mean DE is town

Yes because if I was there was a pew pew now

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if I was scum*

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I'm guessing the scumteam is Meuh, Aisa, and Abnegation

Switch Meuh with Lich probably

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Or swap lich with Aisa

IDK

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meuh for chancellor anyway!

Doesn't that sound like scum?

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easiet nein of my life

Same

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survivor started

GLHF or something

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there is not even a quantum of a reason to vote ja this time

I 100% agree with this

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BTW
I'm nein'ing Abnegation's offer but if RC's offer flips Fascist then RC must pick either me or STD for the Special Election, any other presidential candidate gets auto-neined, right?

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GG!

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congrats to our liberals: save the dragons, dragoneater, radiantcowbells, and aisa!

I knew it!

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Oh Lich was hitler? Weird

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Abnegation and Meuh were such obvscum

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congrats town you had a stellar win

Thanks

I felt you were doing well early on but your flip flopping reads outed you as a wolf

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fk

2/3

oh well

The one you missed was me or aisa?

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and I had my scumteam almost right

Who did you think it was?

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well, i was obvscum at least lol.

Yeah

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Can you remind me what your solve is RC?
I don't trust you because I don't think it's healthy for my solve to be exactly abnegation + Meuh + TL so I gotta keep my mind open

this post was hilarious to me.

I was screaming omg

Looollll

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FML all my reads were right and I was just being shitpushed by two wolves

And I let it get to me

Never again

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and I had my scumteam almost right

Who did you think it was?

I'm guessing the scumteam is Meuh, Aisa, and Abnegation

Well you did get it right excluding yourself

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Thanks Datisi!

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Your modding is super top notch btw!

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Well DE it's my bad on you

Well it was mainly Meuh and Lich pushing me actually

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Okay guys enjoy your Survivor!

I'm gonna go sleep

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Eh I wanna say I flopped more on DE vs Meuh than I let on

Good to know

FML all my reads were right and I was just being shitpushed by two wolves

And I let it get to me

Never again

Yeah... I see this happen to townies sometimes
Once I was in a game where a townie self hammered because they were frustrated they were getting shitpushed
The people pushing them were me and my scum partner

This really sucks from the townie's viewpoint but good play by scum I guess
I'll try to just realize that if someone is shitpushing me when I'm town they are probably either scum or just plain wrong