Open 880 - Mod PT

[Alianna]

Open 880 - Mod PT

Access List

- Alianna (moderator)
- Cook (backup moderator)
- Something_Smart (Open Queue listmod)

[Alianna]

Playerlist

1. Doctor Drew
2. biancospino
3. JasonWazza
4. Invisibility
5. Skygazer
6. Merlyn
7. usesPython
8. camelCasedSnivy
9. Not_Mafia
10. heipizhu4
11. UNOwen
12. Save The Dragons
13. Infinity 324
14. Aureal

[Alianna]

I can't really think of an easy way to randomize the setup. I think I'll just go on random.org and keep rolling numbers (rerolling invalid ones) until all the factions are filled.

(let me know if you know of an easier way to do this)

[Alianna]

We get maf on a 1 and wolves on a 2.

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Alianna]

10

town

, 3

mafia

, 1

serial killer

.

Random.org work:

115

,

47

,

111

,

133

,

111

,

55

,

106

,

25

,

139

,

52

,

111

,

33

,

120

,

5

,

14

,

70

,

138

,

74

,

123

,

40

,

95

,

85

,

146

,

54

,

111

,

129

,

90

,

81

,

42

,

54

,

90

,

43

,

53

,

136

,

35

,

113

,

141

,

121

,

147

,

128

,

69

,

144

,

73

,

132

,

97

,

111

,

72

,

19

,

138

,

147

,

42

,

93

,

46

,

140

.

That was painful.

[Alianna]

This also looks stupidly townsided.

[Alianna]

One problem that we didn't notice before. Is 139 meant to be an informed role or a cop? If you want the informed, you need the informed modifier. I don't think we can change it now because it might tip people off, but I can probably fix the issue by adding a clause to the rules that when the name of a role contradicts what is written under it, I will ignore what is written and the role will do what its name says it does. Not a perfect solution, but it's the best I can think of.

[Alianna]

hmm. is it too late to errata?

I'm worried it might be because if someone checks the thread and sees an edit from today, they might correctly assume that there was an error we only caught because we rolled the post.

[Alianna]

you could disguise it by me editing all the errata'd roles since i don't think i actually edited the thread for them

Someone could still notice it isn't on the list in the discussion thread though, or you could edit that list and that would be noticeable too, just not as bad because it puts it within 4 roles.

[Alianna]

i'd then post something to the NIM thread saying "in light of a game of this being run, i have updated the roles in the thread that were either not normal or unclear. this is the most recent revision of NIM, and will be used for any games that are run."

that might also count as attempting to influence the game...

hmm. maybe listmod intervention would be helpful

It might be. Idk. I don't see a way to actually edit the role to do what you want it to do without giving something away. I could also write the clause the other way and allow edits to the names of roles to match the intended function as written underneath the role.
Either way, you're right that this could count as influencing the game, so I think it may be a good idea for me to reroll the setup after the decision is made.

[Alianna]

yeah. annoying that we didn't catch that earlier, still gonna say probably let S_S know

PM sent.

[Alianna]

If you haven't sent the role PMs, you should reroll the setup. That seems safest.

I'd also errata that specific post and add a rule covering a mismatch between role name and role description, as Alianna suggested.

I haven't sent anything out, so yes, I will reroll along with making those changes.
Thank you!

[Alianna]

yeah. annoying that we didn't catch that earlier, still gonna say probably let S_S know

You just want to change the role to say Mafia Informed Cop, right?

[Alianna]

yeah that’s good

I'll make the announcement in thread, you should be good to go and edit that post as well as the other ones that have been errata'd.

[Alianna]

Announcement

[Alianna]

Maf on 1, wolves on 2.

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Alianna]

10

town

, 3

mafia

, 1

serial killer

.

Random.org work:

85

,

18

,

109

,

70

,

95

,

28

,

105

,

50

,

9

,

82

,

69

,

125

,

101

,

130

,

130

,

96

,

99

,

133

,

91

,

90

,

87

,

136

,

32

,

109

,

115

,

115

,

126

,

36

,

30

,

146

,

127

,

113

,

52

,

30

.

[Alianna]

Setup

Town Even-Night Gunsmith
Town 2-Shot Doctor
Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield
Town Security Guard
Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbour
Town Combined Vigilante Loyal Bodyguard
Town Loyal Checker
Town Odd-Night Roleblocker
Town Shield
Town Backup Cop

Mafia Goon
Mafia Universal Backup
Mafia Universal Backup

Multitasking 3-Shot Activated Bulletproof Serial Killer

[Alianna]

universal backup is for their team only

oh god

mafia has no chance

they have no power roles against an entire town of PRs

Let me read up, I didn't think that was how UB worked.

[Alianna]

universal backup is for their team only

oh god

mafia has no chance

they have no power roles against an entire town of PRs

Let me read up, I didn't think that was how UB worked.

FWIW, it originally said "Universal Backup Mafia," but I thought the alignment was just supposed to go first for town and maf.

[Alianna]

However, as soon as a non-vanilla player belonging to the same faction as the Universal Backup dies, the Universal Backup becomes a copy of that player (losing their Universal Backup ability); they gain that player's role, including any modifiers it has.

Um. Okay. This will be, uh,

interesting

.

[Alianna]

Does that count as mod influence?

[Alianna]

Does that count as mod influence?

It probably does.

[Alianna]

Does that count as mod influence?

It probably does.

Like, it's supposed to be 100% random, so rerolling it for balance feels unfair even if it is egregiously townsided. I think we just have to go with it at this point.

[Alianna]

well alright

let's see if mafia can make a good show of it

I know it's not ideal. It just seems like a violation of game integrity to do otherwise.

[Alianna]

Role Assignments

Doctor Drew -

Town Even-Night Gunsmith

biancospino -

Mafia Universal Backup

Flavor Leaf (formerly Morning Tweet) -

Town Odd-Night Roleblocker

DragonEater70 (formerly Invisibility) -

Town Combined Vigilante Loyal Bodyguard

Skygazer -

Town Shield

humaneatingmonkey (formerly Merlyn) -

Mafia Goon

usesPython -

Multitasking 3-Shot Activated Bulletproof Serial Killer

camelCasedSnivy -

Town Loyal Checker

Yimmy (formerly BlueSnakelet, Not_Mafia) -

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbour

heipizhu4 -

Town Security Guard

UNOwen -

Mafia Universal Backup

Save The Dragons -

Town Backup Cop

Infinity 324 -

Town 2-Shot Doctor

Aureal -

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield

[Alianna]

Do werewolves have guns?

[Alianna]

Never mind, found my answer.

[Alianna]

Spoiler: Role PMs

Doctor Drew

Welcome, Doctor Drew, to Open 880!

You are a

Town Even-Night Gunsmith

.

Personal Abilities:

Even-Night Gunsmith - Each even-numbered night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether your target has a gun.

Spoiler: List of roles with guns

You will receive a positive result on:
- all mafia that are not traitors or doctors
- all werewolves that are not traitors or doctors
- cops and any role with "cop" in the name
- neapolitans
- detectives
- vigilantes
- vengefuls
- other gunsmiths
- backups of roles with guns
- JOATs with any of the listed powers

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

biancospino

Welcome, biancospino, to Open 880!

You are a

Mafia Universal Backup

. Your partners are Merlyn and UNOwen.

Personal Abilities:

Universal Backup - You will inherit the role of the first mafia-aligned power role who dies, losing this ability in the process.

Factional Abilities:

Factional Communication - You may talk to your partners at any time here.
Factional Kill - Each night, your faction may send one of its members to target another player. Assuming no interference with this action, the target will die. You have access to the factional kill.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the mafia are dead and at least one mafia-aligned player is alive, or if nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role or by posting in the mafia PT.

JasonWazza

Welcome, JasonWazza, to Open 880!

You are a

Town Odd-Night Roleblocker

.

Personal Abilities:

Odd-Night Roleblocker - Each odd-numbered night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target's active abilities will be blocked that night.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

Invisibility

Welcome, Invisibility, to Open 880!

You are a

Town Combined Vigilante Loyal Bodyguard

.

Personal Abilities:

Combined - You perform both of your night actions on a single target.
Vigilante - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will die.
Loyal Bodyguard - If your target belongs to the same faction as you, they will also be protected from one kill that night (including your vigilante shot) and you will be killed in their place. The bodyguard component of your role will be treated as roleblocked if your target does not belong to the same faction as you.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

Skygazer

Welcome, Skygazer, to Open 880!

You are a

Town Shield

.

Personal Abilities:

Shield - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will block killing actions taken by your target and you will be killed instead.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

Merlyn

Welcome, Merlyn, to Open 880!

You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partners are biancospino and UNOwen.

Personal Abilities:

You have no personal abilities.

Factional Abilities:

Factional Communication - You may talk to your partners at any time here.
Factional Kill - Each night, your faction may send one of its members to target another player. Assuming no interference with this action, the target will die. You have access to the factional kill.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the mafia are dead and at least one mafia-aligned player is alive, or if nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role or by posting in the mafia PT.

usesPython

Welcome, usesPython, to Open 880!

You are a

Multitasking 3-Shot Activated Bulletproof Serial Killer

.

Personal Abilities:

Multitasking - You may use more than one active ability in the same night.
3-Shot Activated Bulletproof - Three times in the game, at night, you may activate your bulletproof ability. You will gain immunity to all kills on nights when you are bulletproof. Your shot will be expended even if no one attempts to kill you.

Factional Abilities:

Factional Kill - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, the target will die.

Win Condition:

You win if you are the last player alive, or if nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

camelCasedSnivy

Welcome, camelCasedSnivy, to Open 880!

You are a

Town Loyal Checker

.

Personal Abilities:

Loyal Checker - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will be informed that your action succeeded. Your action will be treated as roleblocked if your target does not belong to the same faction as you.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

Not_Mafia

Welcome, Not_Mafia, to Open 880!

You are a

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbour

.

Personal Abilities:

Combined - You perform both of your night actions on a single target.
Roleblocker - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target's active abilities will be blocked that night.
Friendly Neighbour - Your target will also receive a message from the moderator that states you are town-aligned. It will be made explicit that the information comes from a friendly neighbour role.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

heipizhu4

Welcome, heipizhu4, to Open 880!

You are a

Town Security Guard

.

Personal Abilities:

Security Guard - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will learn who, other than you, targeted them. It will be made explicit that the information comes from a security guard role.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

UNOwen

Welcome, UNOwen, to Open 880!

You are a

Mafia Universal Backup

. Your partners are biancospino and Merlyn.

Personal Abilities:

Universal Backup - You will inherit the role of the first mafia-aligned power role who dies, losing this ability in the process.

Factional Abilities:

Factional Communication - You may talk to your partners at any time here.
Factional Kill - Each night, your faction may send one of its members to target another player. Assuming no interference with this action, the target will die. You have access to the factional kill.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the mafia are dead and at least one mafia-aligned player is alive, or if nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role or by posting in the mafia PT.

Save The Dragons

Welcome, Save The Dragons, to Open 880!

You are a

Town Backup Cop

.

Personal Abilities:

Backup Cop - Upon the death of a Cop, you will inherit their ability: "Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether your target is aligned with the town," losing the backup cop ability in the process.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

Infinity 324

Welcome, Infinity 324, to Open 880!

You are a

Town 2-Shot Doctor

.

Personal Abilities:

2-Shot Doctor - Twice in the game, at night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will be protected from one kill that night.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

Aureal

Welcome, Aureal, to Open 880!

You are a

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield

.

Personal Abilities:

1-Shot Bulletproof - You will be protected from the first kill that targets you.
Lazy - The components of your role that come after the lazy modifier will not function if only one anti-town player remains at the start of the night.
Multitasking - You may use more than one active ability in the same night.
Checker - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will be informed that your action succeeded.
Shield - Each night, you may target another player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will block killing actions taken by your target and you will be killed instead.

Factional Abilities:

You have no factional abilities.

Win Condition:

You win if all players not aligned with the town are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Please confirm by replying with the name of your role.

This took ages to write. Still haven't changed the links, but I will.

[Alianna]

Private Topics

Mafia PT
Spectator PT
Mod PT

[Alianna]

Confirmations received:

- heipizhu4
- biancospino
- Aureal
- usesPython
- Skygazer
- Save The Dragons
- camelCasedSnivy
- Merlyn
- UNOwen
- Infinity 324
- Not_Mafia
- Doctor Drew
- Invisibility

[Alianna]

If Aureal successfully blocks a kill with the Shield and still has the BP shot, does she survive?

[Alianna]

I would think so, but I couldn't find anything on it in the normal discussion thread and I don't actually know if it counts or not.
Maybe I should ask S_S? Or even implosion?

[Alianna]

If Aureal successfully blocks a kill with the Shield and still has the BP shot, does she survive?

She would die. BG/shield dying is a separate effect, and not something that can be blocked by BP (or doctor, for that matter).

We should probably make this more clear on the wiki.

Thank you once again!

[Alianna]

im gonna assume that if heip is town then theres one scum on the wagon rn

wagon feels pure imo

wait UNOwen is on the wagon nvm

HOW DO THEY KNOW?

[Alianna]

At this rate, we might get to see an SK win.

[Alianna]

Merlyn has requested replacement and become a spectator.

[Alianna]

hmm now do we point it out anyways when someone claims a role from the 100+ series or would that just make us look more sus (like why do we know it)

Maybe just let people claim and once everyone claimed use it as a reason to townread ppl who claimed a role in the 100+ series if they're the cold and calculating type

Moderator Announcement

There was some confusion relating to a post I made in the Normal Idea Mafia thread.

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter

---

I'm referring to 17, 36, and 39. I only intend to use the first 100 posts for this run.

I never made it explicit in the Setup Information post, so I will clarify now that this was an earlier plan that I did not end up following. This game's setup was rolled using the entire 150-post deck.
That's all.

Oh no, is this undue mod influence?

[Alianna]

I would hope it isn't. It shouldn't be, it's a semi-open so people

should

know what all the possible roles are.

[Alianna]

Oh no, are people seriously going to use the timing of mod announcements to try to determine people's alignments?

[Alianna]

i ran into this issue before

generally wait before you make the moderator announcement?

Yeah, might have been smarter to do that.
I'm not too worried about it. It's not a big thing anyway.

[Alianna]

Ughhhhhhh, I am kicking myself over that.
Can I tell people not to speculate on mod announcements or is it too late for that?

[Alianna]

i guess?

Idk, I messaged S_S again.

[Alianna]

i was trying to come up with a way to stop scum from easily claiming by doing something like claiming your post number mod 5 but that only helps scum

If the idea here is forcing scum to commit to a fakeclaim out of the gate, it can be done quite trivially.

Like, everyone secretly chooses a random (200+N)-digits prime p and a random (500-N)-digits prime q and publicly posts pq. Retrieving p is unfeasible; 200 and 500 can be freely increased if we want more security.

Thou this may be cryptography, idk;

@mod?

It breaks my brain, therefore it's cryptography.

[Alianna]

That's literally textbook cryptography. As in, it'd probably be in a cryptography textbook.

Good to know.

[Alianna]

"Intentionally playing differently than expected and thus knowingly drawing attention" would probably be a better way of phrasing what I've been doing. The intention isn't to draw attention, but it's obvious that it can happen.

What it means is that you clearly have a much too limited view of my play range and I'm bloody well pushing back at that. I have a very ill-defined scum meta because I can't bloody well roll scum yet here we are, trying to put me in a 'doesn't seem like town play therefore must be scum' box. Regardless of how accurate that assessment even is. Last game, I was more townread early when I was mostly fluff posting, and the more active and opinionated I got, the more scumread I was, particularly by Python here. So it's pretty wild for them to park on me an expect me to just somehow become towny. I have said quite a few times that trying to meta-read me is a bad idea. The only possibly valid way is to just assume that I'm town because that's just how it freaking goes with my games this year.

Relatable, I can't roll scum either.

[Alianna]

1.13

Votecount 1.13

humaneatingmonkey (5): biancospino, camelCasedSnivy, Infinity 324, Save The Dragons, Doctor Drew
UNOwen (5): Invisibility, Not_Mafia, Skygazer, Flavor Leaf, usesPython
camelCasedSnivy (2): UNOwen, humaneatingmonkey
usesPython (1): heipizhu4

Not Voting (1): Aureal

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-08-13 14:40:35).

This is...not going so well for the mafia.

[Alianna]

Night 1 Actions

Skygazer uses shield ability on UNOwen. (succeeds, Skygazer dies)
camelCasedSnivy uses loyal checker ability on UNOwen. (fails, roleblocked)
Infinity 324 uses doctor ability on usesPython. (succeeds, shot expended)
BlueSnakelet uses combined roleblocker friendly neighbour ability on Aureal. (succeeds, Aureal receives FN message)
Invisibility takes no action. (N/A)
Flavor Leaf uses roleblocker ability on camelCasedSnivy. (succeeds)
Aureal uses checker ability on humaneatingmonkey. (fails, roleblocked)
Aureal uses shield ability on Invisibility. (fails, roleblocked)

UNOwen uses factional kill on Flavor Leaf. (fails, blocked by shield)

usesPython activates bulletproof ability. (succeeds, shot expended)
usesPython uses factional kill on Skygazer. (succeeds, Skygazer dies again)

Night 1 Resolution

Skygazer dies.

camelCasedSnivy receives the message: "Your check on UNOwen failed."
Aureal receives the message: "Your check on humaneatingmonkey failed."
Aureal receives the message: "You learn that BlueSnakelet is aligned with the

town

."

Fast Night Requests

- Infinity 324
- BlueSnakelet
- camelCasedSnivy
- Invisibility

[Alianna]

Kinda wanna claim the Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor and call HEM town, it sounds like it'd be really funny

Town Doctor 1-shot Combined Cop Doctor

Each night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability.

Once in the game during night, you may protect someone from a single kill ability and learn if they are

Town

or

Not Town

.

Oh no...

[Alianna]

let's see...



seems right

I'll start the day in a moment then.

[Alianna]

Night 2 Actions

Doctor Drew uses gunsmith ability on Save The Dragons. (succeeds, Save The Dragons has a gun)
Invisibility uses combined vigilante loyal bodyguard ability on camelCasedSnivy. (vigilante fails, blocked by shield, loyal BG succeeds)
camelCasedSnivy uses loyal checker ability on Invisibility. (succeeds)
BlueSnakelet uses combined roleblocker friendly neighbour ability on Flavor Leaf. (succeeds, Flavor Leaf receives FN message)
Infinity 324 takes no action. (N/A)
Aureal uses checker ability on Save The Dragons. (succeeds)
Aureal uses shield ability on Invisibility. (succeeds, Aureal dies)

humaneatingmonkey uses factional kill on usesPython. (fails, usesPython is BP)

usesPython activates bulletproof ability. (succeeds, shot expended)
usesPython uses factional kill on humaneatingmonkey. (succeeds, humaneatingmonkey dies)

Night 2 Resolution

humaneatingmonkey dies.
Aureal dies.

Doctor Drew receives the message: "Your target, Save The Dragons, has a gun."
Flavor Leaf receives the message: “You learn that BlueSnakelet is aligned with the

town

."
camelCasedSnivy receives the message: "Your check on Invisibility succeeded."
Aureal receives the message: “Your check on Save The Dragons succeeded."

Fast Night Requests

- camelCasedSnivy
- BlueSnakelet
- Aureal

[Alianna]

Oh also meant to ask, how would the N2+ Activated IC work in this game- is it an anytime during the day action, or night action only? Can it be blocked if so?

Normal Activated IC is usable at any point during the day or night.
Whether it can be roleblocked is a good question, but I'm going to say no because it typically triggers instantly upon request.

I think this is correct?

[Alianna]

...this action resolution is going to be a nightmare.

[Alianna]

I'll edit the post again when I have them.

[Alianna]

The only night action I haven't received is Infinity's, and they're 2-shot so I'm guessing they might be saving their last shot. I'm going to start resolving actions now, but I'll definitely want you to verify.

[Alianna]

Aureal using the shield on Invisibility results in the vigilante part of Invis' role being blocked, Aureal dying, and only the loyal bodyguard part succeeding on camelCasedSnivy, right?

[Alianna]

I'm logging off for the night (unless I decide I'm bored at 1 AM and come back online lol). I don't really want to start the day without your input on the action resolution, so I'll probably just wait until tomorrow.

[Alianna]

i'm not sure if multiple bullet-jumpers all trigger at once or if stacking protections like this causes one to take priority over the other

it's a question of if the kill "happened" or not i guess

Hmm.

I have consulted S_S.

Never mind, we figured it out!

[Alianna]

I now realize that I am in over my head and agreeing to mod this setup was probably a mistake.

[Alianna]

Do not use this list unless actions are actually in conflict; that is, that both affect each other.

If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list.

Does this apply though?

[Alianna]

resolve on that list top-to-bottom

shield is a block not a protect

so shield resolves first, which causes the vig part to fail

(consequently causing the bodyguard part to not trigger)

and aureal to die having taken the shield

Is that how combined actions work?
(mind you, it doesn't really matter since Snivy isn't being attacked)

[Alianna]

Okay, that makes sense.
The new chart should be the same as what I'd written down before.

[Alianna]

I think I'm good to start the day then.

[Alianna]

I'll be V/LA through Thursday due to lack of computer access. I should be able to keep up with mod duties (modding from a phone is pain though lol).

[Alianna]

I don't know how quickly the game is going to go, but I'll let you know if it's needed.

[Alianna]

If we've gone more than a few pages without one, though, feel free to post one.

[Alianna]

Night 3 Actions

Flavor Leaf uses roleblocker ability on biancospino. (succeeds)
DragonEater70 uses combined vigilante loyal bodyguard ability on biancospino. (vigilante succeeds, BG fails due to loyal, biancospino dies)
camelCasedSnivy uses loyal checker ability on Flavor Leaf. (succeeds)
BlueSnakelet used combined roleblocker friendly neighbour action on usesPython. (succeeds, Python receives FN message)
Infinity 324 uses doctor ability on camelCasedSnivy. (succeeds, shot expended)

biancospino uses factional kill on Doctor Drew. (fails, roleblocked)

usesPython uses factional kill on camelCasedSnivy. (fails, roleblocked)

Night 3 Resolution

biancospino dies.

camelCasedSnivy receives the message: “Your check on Flavor Leaf succeeded.”
usesPython receives the message: “You learn that BlueSnakelet is aligned with the

town

.”

Fast Night Requests

- camelCasedSnivy

[Alianna]

Thank you!

[Alianna]

What happens if you roleblock the person roleblocking you? Do both players end up roleblocked, under Normal rules?

@Alianna?

What happens if you roleblock the person roleblocking you? Do both players end up roleblocked, under Normal rules?

@Alianna?

More specifically: If

Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

and

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor

roleblocked each other and the SK shot someone else, would the kill go off?

@Cook?

[Alianna]

Yeah, we definitely should have thought of that lol.

[Alianna]

Does it make any difference that one of the roles is using a combined action?

[Alianna]

hmm...

roleblocking creates a bit of an endless paradox if you say "both roleblocks happen"...

you have either two scenarios:
1. the roleblocks mutually roleblock each other. (this results in other actions taken also being roleblocked.)
2. the roleblocks mutually fail due to being roleblocked. (this results in other actions succeeding.)

2 makes more sense to me personally, but this is a sticky situation because anything I say has the possibility to influence the game and I didn’t actually have a ruling on this, even though I really should have.
I don’t actually fully understand what they’re talking about or how different rulings would impact the game, but still.

[Alianna]

I also made the mistake of complaining about it in spec chat…

[Alianna]

There is always, “I can’t answer that question,” but that creates problems of its own.

[Alianna]

Spoiler: deranged screaming

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

[Alianna]

This is probably a listmod question now that I think about it.

[Alianna]

No response, so I'm just going to answer with #2. I was concerned about undue mod influence, but I don't really think that's avoidable as I have to make some ruling in any case.

[Alianna]

Kicking myself over the fact I didn't think to decide on that earlier though.

[Alianna]

Night 4 Actions

Doctor Drew uses gunsmith ability on DragonEater70. (fails, roleblocked)
DragonEater70 uses combined vigilante loyal bodyguard action on Infinity 324. (succeeds, DragonEater70 dies)
Yimmy uses combined roleblocker friendly neighbour action on Doctor Drew. (succeeds, Drew receives FN message)

usesPython activates bulletproof ability. (succeeds, shot expended)
usesPython uses factional kill on Yimmy. (succeeds, Yimmy dies)

Night 4 Resolution

DragonEater70 dies.
Yimmy dies.

Doctor Drew receives the message: "Your investigation on DragonEater70 failed and returned no result."
Doctor Drew receives the message: "You learn that Yimmy is aligned with the

town

."

Fast Night Requests

- None

[Alianna]

No response, so I'm just going to answer with #2. I was concerned about undue mod influence, but I don't really think that's avoidable as I have to make some ruling in any case.

sometimes it's all you have. happens to the best of us.

Yeah, that's the way it goes sometimes. I did get a response this morning, thankfully ruling #2 was an acceptable answer.

[Alianna]

Linking all the notes PTs for organizational purposes:

Invisibility
DragonEater70
usesPython
BlueSnakelet
heipizhu4

[Alianna]

also i'd like to request a draw

Lol.

[Alianna]

There are few enough players now that I'm confident in my action resolution. If you're online and want to check it, you can, but otherwise, I'm just going to go ahead and start the day when deadline hits.

[Alianna]

The game is now over and this PT has been released.