Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Sircakez

[SirCakez]

How am I not dead

[SirCakez]

Cakez that was an awful post..!!!

then vote me!!
i'm playing a silly goofy game here

[SirCakez]

(i don't actually want to die but I figure the way to start getting less annoyed about being limmed so often and on day 1 is to accept that it will happen lol)

[SirCakez]

also I don't really have any scum vibes from anyone yet
UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

and look I forced the game out of RVS already
im such a champ

[SirCakez]

VOTE: notscience
serious vote now I don't really buy their posting so far as genuine

[SirCakez]

although I fucking LOVE LiS: True Colors and we should talk about that game sometime that is not now

[SirCakez]

although I fucking LOVE LiS: True Colors and we should talk about that game sometime that is not now

LiS as a series is good!

yeah it is! I really want to play through the older ones, I have a friend who is scared of video games who I want to try to lure in since LiS is very chill gameplay-wise.

VOTE: notscience
serious vote now I don't really buy their posting so far as genuine

You’re a towel

I'm actually a cake

[SirCakez]

Okay but notty is scum posting lol

[SirCakez]

We gonna kill scum any time soon or

Like Dunn said notsci posted this as he was voting the mod..
Like fake as fuck

[SirCakez]

Omg nice to meet you high Im cakez

[SirCakez]

Will notscience make a town post? Find out tomorrow

[SirCakez]

Why would I make this game so difficult for myself if I was scum here
I could have literally just RVSed like normal and jumped on the Kilga train or some shit

[SirCakez]

Yeah yeah I haven't been doing anything here I KNOW

[SirCakez]

It seems like no one else gives much of a shit either so it's been hard to get motivated

[SirCakez]

Let me do some reading and thinking

[SirCakez]

Please don't hammer me without letting me claim ty

[SirCakez]

i mean did you really have a choice if it would be difficult or not for you if you show up and people are already wagoning you and expecting something of you

i feel like if you're town this isn't doing you any favors because you're choosing to act with silly and goofy behavior and while im like. i get it. i think it impedes everyone's ability to read you as genuine.
also i don't think it's difficult to call someone scum in the manor youre doing it? even if they're not the main person being scumread by others.

Right right I'm moving forward from that phase of the game now

[SirCakez]

Why would I make this game so difficult for myself if I was scum here
I could have literally just RVSed like normal and jumped on the Kilga train or some shit

Is this implying that Kilga is town

Idk but anyone else limmed > me no? I learned that in that break the chain game where I let myself die to save a strong townread who ended being scum >.>

Why did you make it "difficult" as town then?

I wanted to try something different and see what would happen

[SirCakez]

My notscience push is being slandered. People are treating it like a meme push and like I just picked a random name but I find a lot about notsci's posting very scummy. I'll go through it in a bit and go over points.

[SirCakez]

Sure I'll claim idc

I'm a Tracker

[SirCakez]

I'm Fi who is a character from something I don't recognize, something GiF is a fan of no doubt

[SirCakez]

LLD actually try to talk to me I feel like this whole game you've just been like sitting on your lame scumread of me and not really trying to solve elsewhere

[SirCakez]

I am left adrift with no strong scum read now.

I feel like this reads transparently town

[SirCakez]

Like I've had that stuck feeling as town so many times before

[SirCakez]

While scum wouldn't feel that because they are just making shit up

[SirCakez]

Okay but what is killing me here accomplishing? You know I am not going to survive to LyLo I will surely be limmed or vigged by then. Right now you aren't even giving me a chance to get going in this game you just decided I was scum from three posts and haven't really done anything else since. You're just going to waste a PR and be no closer to solving this game.

[SirCakez]

That's why I called it a lame read because it doesn't even feel like you're trying

[SirCakez]

What do you think about notscience this game?

[SirCakez]

can we kill cakez, then when cakez flips scum kill Wavelength for that above string of posts?

Why do you think Wavelength is scum for those posts I thought those were pretty obviously town

[SirCakez]

I do think Kilga could be scum reading back now fyi
A couple posts bothered me (like some ppl said) I'll pull them up

[SirCakez]

To notscience - because I finally have free time today after having been busy with various things the last like week

[SirCakez]

You're all cowards for not putting cakez at E-1 on page 1

I considered doing it but was too worried someone else would have the same idea as me and whoever posted second would somehow miss that the first person posted.

Ydrasse said early on how whack and fake this post sounded and I 100% agree. That doesn't sound like a real thought at all.

UNVOTE: Ydrasse

Of all the presences in the thread so far, VOTE: Wavelength sticks in my mind the least by a fair amount.

Feels like !science is trying to push continued beginning-of-day-1 jokiness a little harder and a little longer than everyone else. Would be willing to vote there too.

This starts a really long and boring argument about what Kilga actually meant in this post and why they were voting someone who they called a lurker when they said they didn't want to vote lurkers. Which culminates in this:

Okay, I see where the disconnect is coming from now. Looks like it was a combination of thinking something was clearly implied when it actually wasn't and/or at least one good-ol'-fashioned ADHD Jump. I guess the best I can do is try to explain the overall thought process.

The stuff peta talks about in in the second paragraph of 105 is something that rings true for me as well empirically. I've been red in games where I've employed exactly that strategy near the end of the day, highlighting someone that isn't terribly relevant and hasn't done a whole lot and pushing them as the better bet ahead of whatever more-informative competing wagons are present at the time. I've been green in games where I saw other players employ exactly that strategy and called them Mafia for it and eventually turned out to be correct by the time all was said and done. It's something I always watch for because of the frequency with which it happens. (I don't know for sure if I need to state here that, in most cases, the main/arguably only worth in Day 1 wagons is looking at them on Day 2 with flip info in hand and analyzing who moved where and when, but just to be safe, there it is, and that's why distracting away from those wagons with a mad dash to a low volume/low presence slot at the very end is Red Behavior.)

But that's a lot of personal backstory and play philosophy that just got assumed and not vocalized, so.

Ultimately, that's where a lot of the top of 106 is coming from. The rest is coming from the idea that having a Late Day 1 vote for Early Day 1 reasons would be particularly worrying (to the point of being suspicious) because it implies the voter has seen nothing since Early Day 1 that's voteworthy by the end of Day 1. (This is part of the reason for my question in 117.)

So:

- Late Day 1 votes cast for people with low Day 1 post volume specifically because they have low Day 1 post volume (and independent of meaningful presence) = bad due to (a) denying wagon analysis info and (b) implying the voter can't make a meaningful case from the culmination of Day 1's content, toss it off the island
- Late Day 1 votes cast for people with low meaningful Day 1 presence specifically because they have low meaningful Day 1 presence = bad due to (a) and (b), toss it off the island
- Early Day 1 votes cast for people with low meaningful Day 1 presence specifically because they have low meaningful Day 1 presences = not ideal, but missing major problems (a) and (b) present in casting those same votes Late Day 1, plus Early Day 1 votes/cases suck by default anyway, plus any vote is better than no vote, ergo acceptable behavior (IMO) when lacking better options

I imagine even this is insufficient explanation but I needed to be in bed already so unfortunately I'm stopping here from now and picking up again tomorrow when able.

I mean come on. This is over explained to hell. When I read the original vote on Wavelength it feels pretty thrown off. I don't buy that all of this thought and strategizing went into Kilga's vote on Wavelength. It reads to me like Kilga is just way too concerned about not getting scumread for it.

Uh oh it's bedpost (lol get it) time

UNVOTE: Wavelength

Don't feel remotely comfortable leaving that there. The actual verbal posting comes across very much like a townie that feels they're on to something.

VOTE: Ydrasse

Looking back on it now, post 134's content and timing doesn't square at all with what appears to be a serious vote for me in 35. There was more to talk about regarding me by the time 134 rolled around - why not spend any time chiming in on it when you're already voting me?

And then they bail out on it and go for this Ydra vote which to me sounds like they had to dig back through the thread and find something else to scumread to keep up appearances and give them a reason to bail on Wavelength

[SirCakez]

I think that Cakez's last page of posts was markedly worse then the rest of the game, and I no longer have any qualms about killing him.

How?

[SirCakez]

Three most egregious, imo are:

Please don't hammer me without letting me claim ty

Why would I make this game so difficult for myself if I was scum here
I could have literally just RVSed like normal and jumped on the Kilga train or some shit

Is this implying that Kilga is town

Idk but anyone else limmed > me no? I learned that in that break the chain game where I let myself die to save a strong townread who ended being scum >.>

Why did you make it "difficult" as town then?

I wanted to try something different and see what would happen

You know I am not going to survive to LyLo I will surely be limmed or vigged by then.

[That last one is missing the possibility of being night killed at some point before Elo for being a claimed tracker lmao)

The last bit - I did think about that and I discarded it because I really don't think I'm going to actually survive to the point scum would NK me bc people do not trust me

[SirCakez]

Don't even know what your other issues are

[SirCakez]

You know what I’ll just cut to the chase

You are saying that you were busy and that’s why you weren’t playing the game like you weren’t doing the same shit to me lmao

And you claim you’ve been pushing me but you just like, haven’t lol

Okay but you didn't say you were busy you just made illogical posts that didn't convey anything

And yes I need to put some evidence together and I will

[SirCakez]

I'll be back later on my comp I've been posting on my phone this whole time so that's why the notsci stuff hasn't come back yet

[SirCakez]

Also Kilga you're not even going to bother to respond what I wrote about your posts?

[SirCakez]

I can't even remember the last time I was night killed. It literally never happens unless it's like a vig.

[SirCakez]

No because I think I'm going to get limmed at some point anyways
You literally just talked about a day 1 tracker claim that ended up getting limmed because everyone thought they were mafia
Sounds like the exact same situation here

[SirCakez]

It will be here tonight

[SirCakez]

i'm here writing it now

[SirCakez]

I'm probably gonna catch shit for this but I no longer have notsci as a scumread after rereading his ISO and so there will not be a case.

My primary issues with his play came from the already pointed out mental/posting mismatch early on of dropping this:

We gonna kill scum any time soon or

Combined with voting the mod which Dunn and Syr also kinda pointed out?
And I also disliked his reaction to my scumread on him (I won't say push bc he's right it wasn't really a push beyond like two posts)

I think Cakez is flinging shit to see what sticks which is kinda boring

My “ew” was a poorly worded scumread and I think he went for what he assumed would be one of the easiest pushes to try and wiggle himself out of it

Like I said earlier I didn't like this characterization of what I was doing because it seemed like he just wanted to handwave it away to take away credibility which I read as scummy (which I know I already have fuck all of that). And honestly it was just my wounded ego being fragile that he was calling my play shit lol, but it has been so I can't really complain at all.

I'm rethinking now that more likely notsci posts this as town because he just doesn't give a fuck. Especially when I got into the later bits in his ISO where he has a convo with Dunn and kinda with Kilga that reads a lot more town motivated to me.

Specifically I mind melded with this post

Like yes, it’s super wordy when it doesn’t need to be and the overjustification is what’s bothering me, but I just don’t get why that’s your interpretation of it

Which, while not a perfect mindmeld, mirrors my thoughts over not liking Kilga's whole tangent about defending their vote on Wavelength

Cakeboy rap w me

Why did it take e-1 to make you play the game

Okay, so walk me through your scumread on me now

Post by post if you don’t mind, my ISO is short

Also I thought this reach out was more likely town as if I'm scum!notsci here why would I want to help Cakez? Just let him bury himself right?

And in general the trollish tone that I read as scum early on has basically gone away and I think I just was misreading notsci's play from the base up.

[SirCakez]

and with that out of the way
VOTE: Kilgamayan

I dislike that Kilga completely disregarded my reasoning for scumreading a few of their posts and instead tried to redirect me back onto the notsci case. If I'm correct on my pivot to reading notsci!town, it seems pretty scum motivated for Kilga to do that.

[SirCakez]

Okay and I feel like even in older games you'd get random day one elims all the time too like I remember so many troll hammers and shit like Not mafia would do lol

[SirCakez]

Ok then dunk me so I don't have to play this terrible game anymore
Why would you be surprised that when I actually sat down and read I reevaluated?
It feels like no matter what I wrote you were going to shit on it so this is feeling incredibly pointless

[SirCakez]

Cakez - notsci I think you're scum you're making illogical
Notsci - Cakez go read through my posts and explain your read on me
Cakez - *does so and no longer thinks notsci is scum*
Notsci - *shocked Pikachu face*

[SirCakez]

I'm just frustrated
Whatever

[SirCakez]

I was town
Fuck this awful game god

[SirCakez]

This town definitely deserves to lose
Glad I'm out of here quickly

[SirCakez]

Probably taking a break from Mafia for a while after this besides modding because holy fucking shit what an absolute waste of time and energy this was

[SirCakez]

I just don't understand what to do differently to stop this from happening so often
Like I figure there were scum piled on me no doubt but am I legitimately just this ass?

[SirCakez]

People really questioned me saying I didn't think I was going to be Naked?
Wow! Look what happened! Eliminated Day 1! No surprise at all there

[SirCakez]

LOL what an interesting autocorrect!
That was supposed to say "People really questioned me saying I didn't think I was going to be NKed"

[SirCakez]

Okay I'm just really really frustrated I'm not going to post anymore

[SirCakez]

gg
I don't blame scum for taking it slow that would be a dumb way to lose
That said the rule for this that Dunn brought up is great

[SirCakez]

It's okay, I feel better esp knowing that both Dunn and you were scum

[SirCakez]

I've been frustrated by mafia a lot lately so I'm really trying to work through that rather then just run into walls over and over again.

[SirCakez]