Open 877 | 09:12 | It's Over!

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Hmmm

whatcha thinkin

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VOTE: kop

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VOTE: kop

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How serious is this vote?

turns out it was pretty serious

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i'll answer that on page 4

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Actually Umlaut's play reads as possibly from scum to me. The specific question they asked Bulge of "how serious was your vote" feels kind of filler. I feel like it's pretty obvious that e-1 in post 35 on someone who has made one post is not supposed to be serious, and I'm not sure what Umlaut expects to get out of an answer to that question.

agreed

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I'm looking at redFF's posts on site and they seem to try in games. Like they have thought put into their posts. And in this game I am instead getting a trolly vibe which doesn't match with what I am seeing. What is up with that?

i mean there's not much to go off of in the first two pages for any serious content

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Umlaut Who do you think is the towniest/scummiest on the kop wagon except red.

Anyone else can answer as well

kind of a pointless question imo, its not the kind of d1 wagon thats ripe for analyzing (esp if youre excluding red)

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would love for red to chime in. im not ready to call him scum for the hammer, it didnt seem all too serious and given the gamestate idk if its even AI. but without a comment from him at this point the game will continue to stall and that pushes him right off the fence between trolling and antitown.

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the vote seemed like the best thing i could do to get the game moving, i certainly wasnt expecting a hammer tho i did think it was p funny

and i didnt want to give my reasoning straight away for a similar reason, to let people speculate, get some half-decent content in the thread

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I'm looking at redFF's posts on site and they seem to try in games. Like they have thought put into their posts. And in this game I am instead getting a trolly vibe which doesn't match with what I am seeing. What is up with that?

i mean there's not much to go off of in the first two pages for any serious content

would love for red to chime in. im not ready to call him scum for the hammer, it didnt seem all too serious and given the gamestate idk if its even AI. but without a comment from him at this point the game will continue to stall and that pushes him right off the fence between trolling and antitown.

You seem to disagree with me in your first post here but then you come to the same conclusion anyway. Or are you seeing this as different from what I'm saying?

i didnt disagree with the content of your post i just thought "what is up with that" was a silly question with an obvious answer. like i wasnt sure what was so confusing about a nonserious vibe in the gamestate we had here d1

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I like implo and asri as town

Dunnstral as scum

Rest no strong opinion either way

youre the first to really give a read on asri, could you walk me through that?

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pretend i havent read any of their posts

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umlaut what do you think about active lurking as a scum tactic when the thread is moving slow?

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That said the discussion has been pretty tame.

Asri feels off but I don't really have a concrete reason why. Maybe 44/94 which feel kinda unneccesary.

this almost feels like manufactured reasoning? probably nothing but i wanted to flag it

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Just spent way too long on other tasks and need to spend the rest of my day doing my actual job but will swing by just to answer 124: I think lurking is pretty much the dominant strategy as scum in a game where no one is doing anything, the exception being maybe someone who has a reputation for hyperposting (and most likely already knows that).

do you think red is likely to be scum or is it more policy?

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do you think red is likely to be scum

scale of 1-10

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I'm looking at redFF's posts on site and they seem to try in games. Like they have thought put into their posts. And in this game I am instead getting a trolly vibe which doesn't match with what I am seeing. What is up with that?

i mean there's not much to go off of in the first two pages for any serious content

would love for red to chime in. im not ready to call him scum for the hammer, it didnt seem all too serious and given the gamestate idk if its even AI. but without a comment from him at this point the game will continue to stall and that pushes him right off the fence between trolling and antitown.

You seem to disagree with me in your first post here but then you come to the same conclusion anyway. Or are you seeing this as different from what I'm saying?

i didnt disagree with the content of your post i just thought "what is up with that" was a silly question with an obvious answer. like i wasnt sure what was so confusing about a nonserious vibe in the gamestate we had here d1

I don't think the "obvious answer" was ever given

thats just the thing with obvious answers

my point is you're comparing red's play in normal games and red's play in maybe the slowest moving game ive ever seen and not considering the difference that makes in how serious one can really be, esp on page 2

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I like implo and asri as town

Dunnstral as scum

Rest no strong opinion either way

youre the first to really give a read on asri, could you walk me through that?

gut

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Asri what is your reasoning for red town?

Gut

lol

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eh, Asri can be softly town.

yea idk what the scum motivation would be to post like asri did on p6, esp w the way theyve been posting so far this game. its an incredibly soft read for me too but at least its something to replace the big foggy

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why doesnt everyone who wants to lim red today put their votes there and we'll see what happens and then go from there

i for one will abstain

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that's true, and my intent isnt to explain red's actions on his behalf, i know that can be frustrating. im offering my understanding of the situation, why it doesnt strike me as odd or even necessarily scum-motivated. sometimes you have to do it for the bit. red's response to the situation (43, 79) leads me to believe in my hunch that it was nai trolling. im not defending him as town, and if i were taking this game more seriously i wouldnt be defending his actions at all but it made me chuckle and shake my head. he's a nullread for me atm but im not sure the lolhammer will ever factor into my read of the slot.

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feel like scum wouldve fished for a cc here

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VOTE: umlaut

this is where id rather go today

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I think it's perfectly possible for red-scum to claim VT here.

I'll probably hammer at... some point. unexpectedly. or maybe just if the day still seems dead later, i'm really lazy about voting/hammering sometimes.

perfectly possible sure but its a big missed opportunity

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the same scum who quickhammers town on p2 opts not to go out with a fakeclaim? idk man

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im thinking umlaut bc his play has seemed somewhat informed. like if a townie is trudging thru mud to figure out the game, umlaut is riding on paved roads. he's making more sense of things than i think the game thread has to offer, if that makes any sense. also like implo said a lot of where umlaut is going in terms of questioning and providing insights strikes me as obligatory.

partner could be asri? not sure who else i'd put there, meg seems unlikely and i read everyone else as town.

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like if a townie is trudging thru mud to figure out the game, umlaut is riding on paved roads. he's making more sense of things than i think the game thread has to offer, if that makes any sense.

Can you show an example of this?

cant really find any particular posts, its just the vibe i got from umlaut's iso. admittedly looking at it today im not feeling it quite as much

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In basic terms this one can wait for the bulge to be coherent,

lmfao

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dunn whats your read on umlaut?

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here's my understanding of what's happened so far today. asri cast some pretty blatant shade on dunn and then tried to pull a "i never

actually said

you were scum!" which is bs. but at the same time i see what asri is seeing in terms of dunn (and to a smaller extent meg) overreacting to the shade. meg's contributions dont strike me at all as a defense of dunnstral. i also see meg's point about asri's potential paranoia/backpedalling, but i think it could apply somewhat to dunn's defensiveness as well, so i do see what asri is getting at there.

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asri where in that post do you think im pushing you/calling you scum

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dunn whats your read on umlaut?

I don't like that they were pushing that red needed to die just for quick hammering. I believe that is an easy stance for scum to take yesterday. Their thoughts on who mafia is today is not fully clear to me.

why didnt you say anything about it til now? this is the first time youve mentioned umlaut

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I was fine with them yesterday because I thought red was mafia

I don't like that they were pushing that red needed to die just for quick hammering.

this seems like a pretty objective statement (ie independent of red's alignment)

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Also that doesn't appear to be true, I just looked back

oh?

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sup drew

who is scum?

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bad vote

i could be swayed to go for any slot except for asri today

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also if my reads are correct we're in double quickhammer range

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bad vote

i could be swayed to go for any slot except for asri today

Really?

How about Dunn?

yea dunn would be in my top 2

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ah only 12 hours left eh

i think its extremely likely with that vote sitting there unhammered that it's one of either dunn or drew

which makes me wanna vote umlaut lol

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if it wasnt clear my solve for most of this day has been umlaut/dunnstral. the two have not interacted a single time this game (look at their isos together)

VOTE: dunn

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asri youre my only tr and i want to work with you but you make it absolutely impossible

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why do you think dunn and umlaut are mislims?

also you realize we're one mislim from losing yea?

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yes im saying its fake?

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meg was never a tr, i had been waffling between dunn/umlaut/meg for what feels like forever until i realized umlaut and dunn had zero interactions.

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yes im saying its fake?

This one is going to take some rest, you have time to expand.

expand on what lmao

if they are partners then one's read of the other is fabricated

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qed

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a vote against me would obviously be a waste

and i told you i only think drew is town bc i think umlaut and dunn are partnered, i have no town-case on him or meg so idk what else you want from me

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huh

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Bulge I already responded to you about Umlaut and I showed how what you are saying (that I never interacted) is not true - and I showed where I interacted and how it was not true, and then you dropped the point.

how is what you pointed out an interaction

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I won't be around too much for a few hours.

But I will change to Asri if needed

we're not doing asri

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asri i really need you to think about this logically

why would i defend red so hard if im scum? how does that gain me anything? if anything it gives me scumcred for knowing his alignment.

pedit - gdi my tr of asri was mainly bc i thought they were pr with no useful results

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still holding onto the read, i dont think asri's play makes much sense as scum

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the claim is something else to work with tho, lemme see if i can still make sense of dunn/umlaut

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Meg was heavy on Asri in D2, so I could see Asri blocking meg that night.

could have been a generic pr read from meg soft buddying dunn d2?

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oh finally this game is interesting

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hammer dunnnnnnn

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Defended red hard? Don't mock this one bulge. You threw at read out at the end of tne day to distance from meg.

i never once called red scum lmao what are you even doing rn

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this fucking game

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I cc that; I am vanilla cop. I was blocked the first night and then got Bulge as vanilla. Bulge is the only player I haven't been considering today because my result made that less likely, but it looks like they are a mafia goon.

This one trusts this more. This one wants to hammer for fear of wild card umlaut scum. Also power down for next two hours so not online until its back on.

how does dunn's claim even make sense? why would a vanilla result on me cause dunn to not consider me as scum?

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Defended red hard? Don't mock this one bulge. You threw at read out at the end of tne day to distance from meg.

i never once called red scum lmao what are you even doing rn

Never defended them hard.

god you are exhausting

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either asri votes correctly and we're a step closer to a win or incorrectly and the game is over, i seriously could not care less either way

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dunn's cc is obviously survivalism, he has absolutely no other option in this scenario

meanwhile meg and drew have both been gunning for asri bc their slot was blocked after meg voiced suspicion of asri above anyone else d2. there is a clearly traceable logic there. there is no logic or trajectory with dunn's claim.

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Might as well claim then, vanilla cop.

Dunn is vanilla(can be Mafia goon).

Asri meg was blocked on.

Meg was heavy on Asri in D2, so I could see Asri blocking meg that night.

How does this make sense.

if you are scum (which i dont believe you are) and you have a player who is suspicious of you then logically that player, if they are an investigative pr, would have a high chance of targetting you, making them prime target for an rb. the logic is perfectly sound even if i disagree with the presumption that you are scum

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not to mention in current gamestate asri you are confirmed town which i am actually only now realizing lol

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either asri votes correctly and we're a step closer to a win or incorrectly and the game is over, i seriously could not care less either way

Umlaut isn't here the fact that you don't fear an umlaut/drew team is pretty telling.

why would umlaut have voted for drew that makes zero sense

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telling of what exactly?

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why tf would i unvote lmao we have ccs it's one or the other

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drew had already voted dunn after i had expressed intent to. it makes absolutely zero sense for umlaut to vote for his partner in that scenario.

drew is extremely unlikely partners with umlaut, perhaps even impossible but my head is spinning too much rn to focus and find something more concrete than that but it is wildly unlikely. drew cannot be partners with dunn because of cc. drew cannot be partners with you bc you are conftown. from your pov drew/bulge is the only viable drew!scum pairing, from my pov there are no possible drew pairings.

then think about what i said about how drew has been playing, and how the claims went. dunn's was survival. drew's claim actually makes sense when you look at his and meg's gameplay.

the team is umlaut/dunnstral

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that's not going to happen

what would even be the point?

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but how is that playing safe you're the only person not already voting?

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um/drew is not a viable team.

i'm done posting, my heart rate is high enough already. go smoke and please try your hardest to do a reset and actually think objectively about what is the most likely scenario. game is in your hands.

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You forgot scum has their own pr when you were roleblocked?

this is the most backwards attempt at a gotcha i have ever seen loooool

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meanwhile meg and drew have both been gunning for asri bc their slot was blocked after meg voiced suspicion of asri above anyone else d2. there is a clearly traceable logic there. there is no logic or trajectory with dunn's claim.

Drew's stance on my slot does not make sense given their check. I believe the way I have avoided pushing on you given you've done frankly little today is telling

If you had a vanilla check on me you would have thought I was more likely to be town than not. Since I am only half as likely to be mafia as those you didn't check. Instead you pushed me anyway for very flimsy reasons - I think it was just Andante dying.

this logic doesn't even hold a drop of water. i dont think a single player on this site would play the vanilla cop that way

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youre acting like a pr only has their results to go off of. a vanilla result means nothing, and drew obviously scumread you based on your play, hence the vote. the stance youre pushing here is laughable.