Mini 695 - Futurama Mafia - Over

[farside22]

mass claim vote:

yes 1 vote: (KMD)
no 1 vote: (porochaz)

Well you aren't voting on people.

[Kmd4390]

Vote Farside

Better?

[Jahudo]

vote: no massclaim

[Zorblag]

I'm checking in briefly this morning and I should have more this afternoon/evening. While I in theory agree with Porochaz that there are probably 2 scum rather than 3 I find his level of certainty to be troubling. Unless he has some sort of additional information that the rest of us don't have access to there shouldn't be a way for him to be as sure as he's claiming to be. The simplest way for him to have that information would be for him to be scum.

I was waiting for someone to make this point. The thing is I have made it perfectly clear that its from an odds and a common sense point of view than anything else.

Yes, I am taking that into account. As I've said, I think we probably shouldn't mass claim now and probably aren't at at LyLo. What I don't like is your level of certainty. If you're just using odds and common sense you're coming to a stronger conclusion than I think is warranted.

vote: no massclaim

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Porochaz]

question for you then, have you ever balanced a game? Also have you looked back at past games to check my conclusion isn't as strongly warranted?

[Zorblag]

I do have experience balancing games offsite (before I started playing here I started another forum based mafia site and have modded a number of games there.) Wolframnhart has given evidence of at least one game here that had 3 scum in a situation like this but I'll admit that I haven't done an exhaustive survey of Mafia Scum by any means. I can think of a number of ways for a mod to balance a game with 12 players, 3 mafia and 1 SK. I'm sure that others could think of more. I do think that it's unlikely that we've got 3 scum but I don't think it's impossible given my experience. You seem to think that it's close enough to impossible to rule it out and I don't like to rule things out that I don't have a very good reason to.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Porochaz]

I dont think its impossible, by all means, there could be 3 scum, 1 SK but I seriously doubt it, just from my experience, and dont think "its farside" is a decent enough excuse to push it.

[farside22]

Prodding Wolf and kloud. If pacman does not post by Monday I will have him replaced.
Alright I'm on limited access this weekend. iLord will keep votes updated (if you actually vote. and if need be do the lynch scene in my absence. Not if you lynch he can no lock this game thread.

[Zorblag]

I dont think its impossible, by all means, there could be 3 scum, 1 SK but I seriously doubt it, just from my experience, and dont think "its farside" is a decent enough excuse to push it.

I don't think that I've ever said that farside22 modding is the reason that I'm not ruling out the option. This is my first game that she's modded and I don't have much of a baseline (though I did go back and look over her Family Guy game.) I'm also not pushing the idea that there are 3 scum as I'm saying there probably aren't. I simply don't think that there is a strong enough reason given my experience to rule out the possibility to the degree that you have. You're saying here that you don't think it's impossible but you are still somehow sure enough that there are only 2 scum to come out and say:

We dont have 3 scum. There I said it. I think its blindingly obvious 3 scum and 1 sk would be a pain to balance.

That's too strong a stance in my opinion.

On another note, I'm growing slightly anxious about the deadline. I know that I'll be away for much of the next couple days and I assume that others will as well. As the Deadline is a week from tomorrow and we're likely to lose about half of that to Thanksgiving we really need to start to get some progress made on who we think is scum and should be lynched. I'm still waiting to hear suspicions from Drunken Piper (who I know is V/LA), Jahudo (which surprises me as somehow I thought he'd done something along these lines), and Porochaz (I know you said that the issue of the mass claim was more important but surely you can address more than one issue at a time during a game.)

For those that have given thoughts I'd really like to hear more analysis from kloud1516 as he had a number of players he was going to look at more closely as well as pacman281292 or his replacement. I'd like to hear Kmd4390's response to Jahudo and more from Wolframnhart in general. Right now suspicions seem to be all over the place. As we're not voting we're not putting any pressure on anyone so scum can hold back and take advantage. I said earlier that it was good to be cautious as we might be in LyLo but we do need some action.

I'll start with a

Vote: Porochaz

at least until he gives input beyond the merits of mass claiming.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Porochaz]

I can do more than one thing at a time and will, once the massclaim has been voted on or at least till the weekend, whatever come first.

[Kmd4390]

I'd like to hear Kmd4390's response to Jahudo

Did I miss something?

[Zorblag]

I'd like to hear Kmd4390's response to Jahudo

Did I miss something?

Zorblag: I keep going back and forth on him in my head. His back and forth with Kloud is interesting.

Can you be more specific? Do you think that kloud is misrepresenting the case? Do you think that Zorblag looks town without the perspective of thinking kloud is scummy?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Kmd4390]

Zorblag: I keep going back and forth on him in my head. His back and forth with Kloud is interesting.

Can you be more specific? Do you think that kloud is misrepresenting the case? Do you think that Zorblag looks town without the perspective of thinking kloud is scummy?

What I meant is I can kind of see Kloud's points except that I am suspicious of Kloud. If he is misrepresenting, he is doing a good job of it.

[Zorblag]

I apologize then, I seem to have missed that somehow.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[iLord]

Hey everyone - it's me, your back-up mod!

Mass Claim Vote:

YES 1 vote: (KMD)
NO 3 votes: (porochaz, Jahudo, Zorblag)

Regular Vote:

Porochaz 1 vote: (Zorblag)

[farside22]

Hey everyone - it's me, your back-up mod!

Mass Claim Vote:

YES 1 vote: (KMD)
NO 3 votes: (porochaz, Jahudo, Zorblag)

Regular Vote:

Porochaz 1 vote: (Zorblag)

Thanks iLord.
I'm not here just a note.

1) I forgot kloud was on v/la for a couple of days.
2) Just received a PM from wolf requesting replacement. I will not have anyone for you till Monday. I most likely will extend the deadline one week when I'm back on Monday.
Thanks

[Zorblag]

Unvote

due to the deadline extension and lack of clarity about LyLo. I will

FoS: Porochaz

instead to keep some semblance of pressure on.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Zorblag]

Hmm, I misread. It's a potential deadline extension. I'll hold off on my vote till we get a definite answer on Monday anyhow. I expect the game to be light on activity till then anyhow.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[kloud1516]

Hey everyone, I managed to get temporary internet access. I don't have time for a long post, but I will go ahead and vote:

vote for the massclaim

[kloud1516]

Hello all, I am back from v/la. I will be doing a reread and getting something up shortly.

[Porochaz]

I think we need some prods

[Kmd4390]

Couldn't hurt.

[Porochaz]

Do wee ned to bld I asssumre faisude will se it.

[pacman281292]

uh?

hmm... I would rather need to be replaced. Sorry

[Porochaz]

its ok better you said it