Datisi's Café [game over!]

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But fire otherwise doesn’t seem like Scum to me so that one is a bit tougher to argue.

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It’s 9 of us and 1 Scum. Can we stop using PRs here? Why are two Town dead? Like we have Scum on the ropes. Unless someone has something really powerful or confirmable, please holster. It should be obvious from now on.

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Since Scum can’t multi-task, Klick is cleared.

Unless there are multiple scum left.

Yes, that’s right. I do now have come to believe that Ircher slipped, but yes, if we flip a Scum and the game doesn’t end, then surely Klick isn’t cleared unless they act again with 1 Scum left (there definitely aren’t 6 Scum in this game, unless Datisi is a psychopath and yeah… let’s not go down that path).

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So to me, it’s never Klick, Dannflor is Strong Town, jjh would have to be suicidal as Scum, and you have to overcome the abundant evidence that Titus was pushing Something_Smart hard to think they’re Scum (possible, but not my first choice here). That leaves {PenguinPower, furtive, fireisredsir, Uncrowned}. fireisredsir was a relatively early voter for Malakittens, and they’ve seemed thoughtful to me despite them pushing me consistently, and I really don’t SR furtive. So yeah I have it down to {Uncrowned, PenguinPower} I guess, and I suspect Penguin more. So VOTE: PenguinPower.

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I just read Penguin’s ISO and I don’t know you all feel about some of the votes, but they just have some explaining to do in my mind. Like their solve yesterday was {furtive, fire}, and they said they would hammer Mala. But a wagon develops on me, and I get a vote (which they didn’t move). They defended Ircher towards the beginning of the game (attacking petapan for making an assumption about the number of Scum when Ircher’s assumption was more reasonable according to them). But instead of sticking to that, they make a post about how their more recent posting was bad and then end up being the L-1 voter (which just seems like a total bus not to get caught outside the wagon).

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They also voted Roden, and have been pushing Something_Smart throughout the game (though abandoned that after a while). Like… it’s really difficult to pin them as sure Town here.

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Also, furtive’s push for Malakittens is too consistent (they’ve been questioning the slot throughout the entire game), I’m happy to rule them out as Scum here.

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So yeah, I would execute PP and Uncrowned in that order. I’ll have to ISO fire to see if I can develop stronger feelings about their alignment.

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But that’s for later. I’ll be back. And if we want to do a massclaim, I’m not against it. I just think we’ve bought ourselves enough time that we don’t have to do it today. I would only claim information that is potentially clearing, or can be verified so that we don’t execute wrong.

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You all are acting like idiots.

Fine. Massclaim.

I’m a forum mafia player (tracker) base 15% cost + 10% for each subsequent shot. I’ve been banking productivity and used my first short last night in Andre (didn’t go anywhere) since if we’re in 17:4, it’s basically a cop shot. This is why I’ve been skeptical of fire’s productivity claim since the original claim as I can get three full tracks out for less than three of his shots.

Piss off.

It wouldn’t necessarily clear me, but you’ve known that I didn’t act N1 (which means I’m either harnessing productivity points as Town, VT, or Scum with no power), and you still voted me yesterday? For the sake of a wagon? What nonsense is this?

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Like ugh that’s kind of annoying.

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I don’t want to say entirely right now. But the hammer on mala was sus.

Yeah, suspicious. I saved furtive so I could hammer my Partner. This is honestly silly.

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So then I’m clear. That’s even worse. If I didn’t go anywhere, then I didn’t kill anyone. Which I know I didn’t. But even less reason to be saying that I’m suspicious. Unless I’m what, Ninja? And really?

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Well now we know I just hammered correctly and my perspective is Town. Unless I’m a Multitasking Ninja Roleblocker, which I suspect no one believes.

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Since Penguin is clearing me I’ll Unvote.

UNVOTE:

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Also, the last Scum is always between {fire, Penguin} then. They’re claiming what is essentially the same role. But then I’m even more confused about that vote yesterday.

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Like I doubt Town has two Trackers? Is that what we’re saying?

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To be fair, Datisi did troll us with that One-Shot Cop being Town.

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Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:

I am setting my productivity to 0% today.

You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.

But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.

But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.

Full transparency, part 2/3:

I am setting my productivity to 50% today.
On D3, I will be setting my productivity to 75%.
On D4, I will go to 100% and fully explain why I have done what I am doing.

I have a plan. I legit think that I can break the game with this and I promise that I will explain everything on D4 and explain why I have done what I am doing.

It'll all make sense then, and the scum won't know what hit them.

Remember when I said that there would be a big huge reveal on D4?

...I lied.

PARTIAL CLAIM: I am an investigative role and I have a result indicating fireisredsir is scum.

VOTE: fireisredsir

I'm not claiming what the result is until

after

fireisredsir claims here.

I'll be fullclaiming once fire has been locked into a claim.

LOL no you don't, hard counterclaim

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action. i just triple checked my results to make sure

25% + 5% each use

VOTE: mastina

I guess one isn’t quite a Tracker, but a Motion Detector.

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Okay then VOTE: Uncrowned.

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There’s only 2 votes on them. It’s not like I’m actually rushing anything.

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Btw, Mala was avoiding the thread. Which is why I hammered. I won’t go out of my way to demonstrate how I know this, but I did do my homework. So I didn’t want them making a claim that would derail the wagon.

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I mean Andres can say whether he went anywhere

I suppose I should confirm - Penguin is correct. I didn’t go anywhere.

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Ignore my solve btw I was just annoyed at being Tracked.

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So it’s either furtive or Uncrowned right? That’s kind of juicy. I also felt like Uncrowned’s direct appeal to me at the end there yesterday was genuine, if I’m being honest.

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Klick is unlikely to be something confirmable + Roleblocker right? Even if Scum have multi-tasking, I suspect this is not likely. I’m cleared. PenguinPower would be silly to clear me here, and I don’t think I can Scum bin them after that. fire’s claim I suppose checks out as well? jjh certainly made the argument. jjh is quite unlikely to be Scum to me for obvious reasons. But then furtive has been trying to bus their Partner most of the game? Even after bussing Ircher from early?

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I suppose I should reconsider why I’m Town binning Dannflor? I don’t see that one either. But then almost surely the last Scum bussed two Partners at least no? Haha that’s wild.

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Btw, Penguin and fire should agree on respective pools of players they will act upon if they are choosing to continue to use their abilities (so they don’t overlap exactly). Since they can’t both be blocked, they can probably confirm a player at Night. If the Scum can multi-task, then we won’t glean any information tomorrow (and that’s possibly the outcome, but then that’s also somewhat useful I suppose), but if they both can, then one will likely die, and the other one may be able to share a result tomorrow.

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100%

VOTE: furtiveglance

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You know we can figure this one out really easily right? Our % is calculable. Mastina had a 1-shot role and Ydrasse was against using abilities unnecessarily.


Klick, Penguinpower, Uncrowned, and Fire- what percentage effort did you put in last phase?

60%

my cost for tonight would be 45%, i don't have anything banked

ill do whatever the smart math people tell me to do tbh just lmk

I’m pretty sure you need to do 55%. Otherwise, any plan involving you doesn’t work.

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I was 100% last night. So it’s not influenced by me.

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Sure.

VOTE: Something_Smart

I also would take some joy from being right on furtive yesterday I suppose.

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In the fringe case you’re both alive tomorrow, it would be nice if you didn’t pick the same target. If you overlap but one of you dies (which I think is exceedingly likely), then it won’t matter much I guess.

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Aren’t you all in some neighborhood? Just agree not to overlap there. I don’t think you guys need to overthink this too much.

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It gives me great joy to see that fire was Scum, tried to push me really hard, and couldn’t get me executed. When will Scum learn that getting me executed during the day is quite difficult?

In any event, I have correctly sorted for 3P before. Let’s see if we can do that here.

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You've pretty visibly been the most survivalistic but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt until a full review because circumstances have given you the most reason to be

Ah, I think this is correct. furtive was basically begging for their life yesterday.

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Spoiler: d4

Gun to my head they might actually be the closest thing to a scumread I have right now but I feel like I've been actively denied information over the course of this game

How have people denied you information? By hammering before you can do whatever you wanted to do?

I'm not liking the votecount right now, if others want S_S I can go there, but that vote on me by Dannflor was egregious to say the least.

VOTE: Dannflor

klick

Hi
Ngl I've really not got the energy at the moment, I'm off work sick for the last couple of days
I'm not going to force myself to engage heavily when I'm not in a place to enjoy it at least a little bit
I'm aware there's other outstanding stuff for me from earlier and I'll try to get to everything

You made a point in this post about it not seeming like my reads have developed much lately. The current problem is that I feel fairly confident in the reasons I've got the players as town that I do, BUT my list of remaining available scum doesn't... feel right. I don't have a concrete reason for it in my head but Dannflor doesn't feel like scum to me. Exactly jjh/S_S doesn't seem right, they're also two players that I don't think I'd get a solid townread on easily if they were town (I do think one scum there is probably a good shout though?). So I'm in a place where one of my townreads is probably wrong and I need to identify which, but I don't like any of the choices because they all feel town to me. So it needs to be someone who is rather committed to playing in a way that reads as genuine to me, OR one of the reads themselves is a poor read.

I'll give the furtive deepwolf theory some consideration but it doesn't feel realistic on first impression

Firstly, deepwolf is very flattering.

Secondly, I have felt for many moons that Malakittens is not town. Could it be Mala/Uncrowned?

I'll backstab Uncrowned after townreading him all game, because Andres wants it and I'd like to see some momentum on a non F name. Don't get me wrong, Dannflor is still suspicious.

VOTE: Uncrowned

I'll vote for Malakittens if that one looks likely.

I want to keep my vote on Malakittens but also pressure Klick because this isn't acceptable

There was also a massive Andres wagon which I didn't vote on

That’s right. And Dann did vote for me. I will admit that Dann has also been rather aggressive with their pursuit of executions, but has rightly never come across as Scummy to me. You’ve seen more inquisitive, which is why I defended you.

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Okay so it’s clear to me that the 3P shot fire thinking they were a Motion Detector (and Town). Because as a 3P, you definitely don’t want to NK Scum and make it obvious to the Town that they should be hunting for you. And besides, you definitely need the Scum to shoot more Town as there are way too many confirmed or obvious Town in this game.

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Eh maybe they figured they would take their chances. I don’t know. I don’t think I would have shot fire if I knew they were Scum as a 3P. But maybe I’m wrong about that.

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Ugh mastina being dead almost always points to furtive. They were sufficiently convinced of their case against {fire, furtive} that I think furtive doesn’t have a choice but to shoot that shot. If I had to guess.

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mastina also put Dann as almost sure Town. I don’t think Dann takes that shot as 3P.

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I think I’m going to vote furtive. I also think they’re the most logical choice for today if I’m being honest.

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But I’ll hold off until such time as everyone has had a chance to do what they want / need to do. I do want to spend some more time thinking, but I think ultimately that makes sense to do first.

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We officially cannot rule out a 3p existing

I don’t think jjh ever makes this post as 3P btw. So I would just choose between {Dann, furtive} for today.

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I don't even know if I'm voting correctly. But I can assure people I'm neither mafia nor the mysterious third party meddler.

Can we do S_S instead?

This reaction from furtive is just weird. You’ll notice that jjh is just saying that we can’t rule out the presence of a 3P. But furtive assumes the existence of a 3P (though narrows them down to a “meddler”). If I had to guess, I would say this is a bit of a giveaway.

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Thanks all. That was fun. I felt rusty but the Team did well overall.

@Ydrasse I think takes MVP catching Titus out in that way. That was awesome.

Some people had great reads this game. Was lucky to play with some strong players. I really didn’t expect Scum!Ircher to actually slip like that. That was odd.

Thanks Datisi! I hadn’t been playing much Mafia as I’ve been busy, but I found the time to do it here and it was rewarding. Will be back.