Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

[Enchant]

Yo.

Prism and Enchant had already confirmed so they're the team.

So you want me to heal Prism?

[Enchant]

Trust: Prism

[Enchant]

that's such a scummy reaction what

I am thus, so Prism town too because we team.
Logic 9999

[Enchant]

Town actually.

[Enchant]

Actually nvm.

HURT: Prism

[Enchant]

Or eh.

Untrust: Prism.

[Enchant]

why did you randomly do that after seeing koba troll the shit out of the last game

To troll you, weeb

[Enchant]

I think after that i am confirmed townie, everyone trust me immediatly.

[Enchant]

Vote counts as Trust here as i remember.

[Enchant]

I've had many, many thoughts on how to play this game: I've considered declaring that I will not trust or accept a trust at all, I've considered declaring the same but until 4 way. I haven't really arrived at a final answer — it's going to hinge largely on the other players — but the one guarantee is that I will not be exiting early. I will not accept any proposals prior to Day 3, and will adamantly resist any attempts to compel me to accept.

Can't believe i trustfelled scum for 2 min 35 second 302 miniseconds.

[Enchant]

y'all hear that? i think the wind coughed or something?

That's wind.

[Enchant]

It's storm today.

[Enchant]

oh hey Enchant, nice to see someone else online during my afternoon. how are your reads progressing?

Pooky

and possible Prism mafs for now.

[Enchant]

oh snap. hope it's not too bad & passes swiftly.

I am not about IRL Storm.

[Enchant]

is that by exclusion? (or in other words: do you have many townreads?)
what are your thoughts on prism? & do you think it's likely pooky spends the entire game hitting on his scumbuddy?

No, i just don't think Prism acts as special ego "i am not trustfalling because no". While i know some want to play this game longer, but it still hinders your chances (unless you think other players are idiots and need your GUIDING HAND for whole game, but then it's lost already, believe me) so i see it's fake.

About wind, actually it's because i readed his post with explaination "why would Wisdom believe Enchant on word" and somehow remembered it as "Why would the worst believe Enchant on word" which i found horrible reasoning. I found i was wrong after reading ISO two minutes ago.
Yeah, attention 00000000, so i just use universal excuse "Pooky sus" to not look idiot.

[Enchant]

Refusing Trust =/= Town.

Scum have benefit to refuse trust from townie (because will be treated as town, and thus will trustfall anyway, maybe even with someone else. After that, good luck explaining why mafia refused your trust.

Free doubt while costing nothing, give me some!

[Enchant]

No, i just don't think Prism acts as special ego "i am not trustfalling because no". While i know some want to play this game longer, but it still hinders your chances (unless you think other players are idiots and need your GUIDING HAND for whole game, but then it's lost already, believe me) so i see it's fake.

If this is referring to my post about refusing to trust period, it was a copy/pasted joke referencing another game and not a serious declaration. If this is about my statement I wouldn't accept early as scum, I am already on record saying the same in prior games

Can you do it like in Fallout 4 please with big [[SARCASM]] so i won't mistake it next time

[Enchant]

I am thinking about two candidates which i plan to trust soon. Before that, i wish ask everyone. Who you would suggest for town deserved trust? Don't tell "No one" or something like that, just one or two names with explaination why they are considered townie for you. After that i reveal planned candidates (i think that's blatant choice from my perspective so you can as well quess) and maybe think about my life choices.

Can you do it like in Fallout 4

I'm replaying Fallout 4 in VR right now and it's really fun and kinda creepy.

Yeah, i would be scared of sarcasm too.

[Enchant]

Also, sorry Infinity-I did not notice you shifted your pronoun to they. I will do my best to revise it moving forward.

And I did not notice that you shifted it to she; sorry for referring to you as they.

you can always play it safe and just refer to people by their usernames. cookie works fine for me, or cool if you're trying to butter me up.

Hey food, answer my question please?

[Enchant]

cool cookie: Pooky/the worst (idk why tried to get second townread at all cost, i asked for 1-2 names, if you are not confideint in two, why give two...)
Enchant: the worst/Tammy (yep)
Infinity 324: Pooky/Wisdom (First to answer)
Klick: Wisdom/Ducky/Tammy
MafMen: Wisdom/Pooky
PookyTheMagicalBear: Prism/Wisdom, the worst(?)
Prism: Can't decide yet (I actually respect that)
Tammy: Didn't answer
the worst: "You first" (idk who is this guy)
Wisdom: the worst/Pooky

Something like that i quess. It's funny, but i considered "Worst" more optimal before this post:

Yup that would work really well if I was scum and just missed the vote

It would also work really well if the worst was scum and did that to try to get you confirmed.

I don't believe this, but people not accounting for various possibilities is weird.

I thinked about same, so it was hard to fight myself from instatrusting her at that moment.

After that, i think i made right choice. Don't worry though, i am not going just trust carelessly!

[Enchant]

After that, i think i made right choice. Don't worry though, i am not going just trust carelessly!

Can't believe i writed that.

HEAL: the worst

[Enchant]

So...
If Pooky is town.
And Tammy is town.
And you is town.
And assuming i am not going today as well.

It's 4 townies who doesh't leave today. Half of town.
Chances pretty grim from this point i quess.

[Enchant]

So...
If Pooky is town.
And Tammy is town.
And you is town.
And assuming i am not going today as well.

It's 4 townies who doesh't leave today. Half of town.
Chances pretty grim from this point i quess.

I mean you don't actually need to have town leave to solve the game

we can just have you "trust" people one by one to clear them on a consensus basis

As told before, scum could just ignore me and use that clear to escape with someone else (it actually happened in previous game, but that's probably exception because DkKuba trustfelled on both mafs), so don't consider this hard confirm.

[Enchant]

Fine, you confirmed, but that's exception.

[Enchant]

HEAL: Tammy

Heh.

[Enchant]

Pooky now will kill us.

[Enchant]

HURT: Tammy

I decided to stick for now.

[Enchant]

I am confirmed townie from page 1, idk what you about.

[Enchant]

Basically last pages are about PookyWisdomTammy love triage debates. Didn't expect anything else!

[Enchant]

You/the worst/Tammy are town (already half of town known). It's pretty enough for first day, and i don't see sense to try get "all" townreads on day 1. Atleast i am not risking with trusts for now, you do what you want, just try to not screw up.

[Enchant]

Basically that, yeah.

With each other, or with someone outside if they have reason to believe they hit town (outside is better, because it reduces POE), sadly i will not be great help with choosing targets. Not good at scumreading you know.

[Enchant]

Townreading and risking trusting them is different things.

[Enchant]

Im not saying you should trust them
Im saying that you seem to be apathetic in getting townreads yet youre saying it would be good for tw/Tammy to trust outside for poe reasons

It makes me paranoid that youre scum with someone outside and you hope they will be trusted

Perhaps.

Still, i am pretty happy with this situation for day 1.

[Enchant]

But its definitely not the same
If we risk it here and scum exit, scum have 50% won
If we mislim in a regular game, we just lose a townie

In standart "7 ppl, 2 are scum" game, eliming one townie is 50% of win.

It's basically same, but reversed.

[Enchant]

I am not sure what scumexit you mean.

[Enchant]

Horrible idea, go think again.

[Enchant]

Good because for a moment I thought you were supporting him

I supported idea "If you strongly believe someone outside Wisdom/The worst/Tammy is town, you can trust them"

Just pooking with trust on random are horrible idea (especially now with half of town are almost confirmed) and reason we lost previous game.

AGAIN:
Low risk, Low reward is where they trust with each other.
High Risk, High reward is where they trust with someone outside, thus reducing POE but risking hitting scum more likely.

I prefer low, but clearly will not oppose anyone if they strongly believe someone else is town.

[Enchant]

Good because for a moment I thought you were supporting him

I supported idea "If you strongly believe someone outside Wisdom/The worst/Tammy is town, you can trust them"

Just pooking with trust on random are horrible idea (especially now with half of town are almost confirmed) and reason we lost previous game.

AGAIN:
Low risk, Low reward is where they trust with each other.
High Risk, High reward is where they trust with someone outside, thus reducing POE but risking hitting scum more likely.

I prefer low, but clearly will not oppose anyone if they strongly believe someone else is town.

i never vouched for 'random players'
mostly everybody has good feelings about the three players i mentioned

Can you repeat for me again, please?

[Enchant]

I of course support myself and Tammy, but i missed when infinity and cookie are considered towny enough.

[Enchant]

Pooky is person who will complain on vigilante shoting mafia, because robbing "fun" from other town.

[Enchant]

wtf is wrong with you

Because you are hypocrite.

[Enchant]

the last time we played trust fall together 2 people decided to unilaterally trust and we lost immediately

but i dont even care about losing and winning

i care about getting to play

you continue to misunderstand literally anything i say

Aren't you trustfelled with maf before i even waked up?

[Enchant]

Actually why i care.

Go

flirt

sort Tammy whole game and complain about us trying to win. I am not doing anything before someone trustfall as well, because i think it's pretty enough townreads to fucking make decision about pair already.

[Enchant]

I am a bit calmed down, but still.

... Wh... Why i need unvote so you can vote me? If you want to go with me, then go. If you don't, then don't. There's nothing preventing me from simple unvoting you back to instaleave, if you still considering me scum.

[Enchant]

Then vote me when you ready to go with me. Simple enough.

[Enchant]

Nah.
1. I will instatrust back. There's no reason for me to not (expect when you need more time, but then again, why don't vote me when you actually ready?)
2., Even if i don't, then... What it confirms, again, mafia can refuse if it 'confirms' them, so they can actually go with anyone they want.

Imo, probably not worth debating. I simple refuse.

[Enchant]

Did Pooky just claim mafia?

[Enchant]

Did the worst replace because Wisdom refused to trustfell or why?

Awesome game.

[Enchant]

Well, they both are hardtown regardless, mafia could just leave instantly.

[Enchant]

i town

Then why you didn't trust self.

[Enchant]

We just need 3 pairs.

If we are right with everyone, we already have 2.5 of them.

Probably time to move.

[Enchant]

looks like Ydrasse may have exited with dwlee, so my trust on Tammy can stand. a few flips will help narrow it down though, especially on a re-read. although seems like lots of it may have been a bit argumentative.

Scum claim.

[Enchant]

I choose Tammy or Wisdom over you. I need additional considering to accept someone else.

[Enchant]

Both of these.
I have problems with correct reads, so i am not sure about you. Like i would risk to go with you, but... Why if i can choose someone proven instead?

[Enchant]

Not understanding what point you try to make.

[Enchant]

I'm not asking you specifically to trust me: I'm asking if you're concerned about me being part of the pairings, because right now if you/Tammy exit me/Wisdom are next barring some other pairing preempting us with a YOLO.

ie. I'm wondering if you think I should be swapped with someone else

Idk. I need to think about it.

[Enchant]

Well, they both are hardtown regardless, mafia could just leave instantly.

What were you referring to with this? You had talked a bit about how people aren’t necessarily confirmed.

(I have an idea but I want to make sure I’m reading your thoughts correctly).

Refusing trust to trust with someone else benefit scum a bit.
Quiting game instead of trusting... Well, no. And probably bad decision, because you just replace to force replacement to instatrust. It's dumb and dishonorable.

[Enchant]

PookyNowYdrseee. But i am here mostly lazy and writed them as town for a bit different reason.

[Enchant]

Ok. If Cookie is scum, Wisdom not quitting this game for forcing him in pairs.

[Enchant]

I mistaken pronoun again, sorry for that.

[Enchant]

There's 0 reason to consider cookie town.
There's 0 reason to consider me scum.

This opinion comed from something i can't understand, or your mafia ambitions. Cookie was in pretty bad position, so you could not accept trust to push him in pair later.

[Enchant]

... I mistaked Pronoun again. Sorry.

[Enchant]

Cookie is my top townread out of the designated final 4 since forever

And Im pretty sure youre smart enough to understand the point here. If scum are truly in the designated final four, they lose. It makes no sense they are not objecting and they are just staying silent waiting to die. Therefore it makes sense that one scum is in the ones favored to be trusted (you/Prism)

My stamenent is if cookie is scum, then i will make anything to not make you leave, because you are most likely with ... Eeh. Fae.

[Enchant]

Actually i have better idea.

Go trustfell with him if you believe fae is "top town read" first. Don't force Prism to do that.

[Enchant]

... And again.
It's hard for me. I am sorry.

[Enchant]

I possible "scumclaim" with this statement but i disagree with Wisdom pairing someone.

[Enchant]

I possible "scumclaim" with this statement but i disagree with Wisdom pairing someone.

assuming you're town, don't you think it would be a bit risky and counter-productive for Wisdom-scum to try and pair me with Tammy yesterday, leaving Prism-town to potentially pair with you (or really anyone) for the win? And it doesn't make sense in a Wisdom-Cookie scumteam world either, as Wisdom would just be frozen out as soon as I flipped scum as the only player really backing me. I'm not saying Wisdom is locktown, but we've got a good chance to close it out today and Wisdom seems like the best bet to me (and it was also Prism's parting wish).

Tammy's choice again though obviously.

Cool. Then go trustfell with Wisdom.

[Enchant]

I think i step in as well.

VOTE: Tammy