[MT2225] Chrono Trigger Chronicles - The Rise/Fall of Yakra

[Dwlee99]

T3... He scum claimed

[Dwlee99]

I will say that once everyone checks in and we make a plan for t3's vig shot I think that we should end the day. No point in making it last longer when the day's elimination is solid.

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Okay let's ask him

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If Mastina CCs, one of her and t3 can be vigilante'd tonight.

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Pretty sure Vig just chooses between me and AW tonight. I'll claim once T3 has been settled.

um no. vig goes between dwlee and Titus. if really wanted, we can be put into the pool.

but you are town spewed by Robert.

-nornor

Why should I be in the vig shot pool after pushing Cyrus to the point he just claimed scum? I didn't believe his claim at all, was on board with the guilty on Guillotina yesterday, and pushed him with the MP stuff that lead to him claiming to be an insane cop.

[Dwlee99]

T3 isn't scum unless someone counter claims here.

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Because t3 is heavily reliant on meta.

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@T3 I want you to make a pool of people you will want to vigilante and all of them should claim before night imo.

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I will consume a metaphorical shoe if this flips green

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Pretty sure Vig just chooses between me and AW tonight. I'll claim once T3 has been settled.

um no. vig goes between dwlee and Titus. if really wanted, we can be put into the pool.

but you are town spewed by Robert.

-nornor

Why should I be in the vig shot pool after pushing Cyrus to the point he just claimed scum? I didn't believe his claim at all, was on board with the guilty on Guillotina yesterday, and pushed him with the MP stuff that lead to him claiming to be an insane cop.

Lukewarm started that pressure, then you hopped in later.

I hopped on as soon as Mara reminded me of the guilty soft, and then when I came back to thread called BS on the claim in a bunch of ways.

[Dwlee99]

Mass claim time?

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I think people should just claim their role and actions outright and we should order it based on likelihood of being evil.

[Dwlee99]

mastina
Angel Warriors
House
Roden
Lukewarm
Marashu
Dwlee99

[Dwlee99]

^ top down first to claim?

We can also do popcorn if people want that

[Dwlee99]

Yes the scummiest person that hard pushed Cyrus and didn't doubt on t3's Chrono claim for no reason. House hard softed an invention which should also be part of mass claiming, which is why he is on the list. And yes, I'm last, because I am the person I know is town.

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^and no I'm not treating house as conftown like I think a lot of people want to.

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Mastina should for sure be first to start and I wish T3 suggested her as a vig shot instead now that I'm thinking about it.

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Considering 2 PR's were shot without claims, I suspect we have an experienced crumb/soft hunter as our third scum.

Who are the two PRs shot without claims?

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And house do you 100% guarantee there is scum between us two?

[Dwlee99]

Wdym bullshit? I'm asking. Only gamma was shot unclaimed.

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Who was the second PR that got shot, house?

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Titus was the vig shot and not a power role.

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VOTE: House

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On the bright side Mastina, you didn't get night killed for finding scum if you're town here.

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House, who were the two PRs shot without claim?

[Dwlee99]

I caught Gamma's soft: that's why I suddenly read changed on Guillotina. I backed off of it though when Gamma seemed to stop pushing what I thought was a guilty. I forgot about it on day start but I agree it might be worth looking at.

VOTE: Cyrus

Did you miss where Gamma super implied a guilty on Cyrus?

The inventor is flavor probably

I still think there's exactly one scum in {Marashu/dwlee}.

Lucca hard softed a guilty on Cyrus I want to kill there but I agree Marashu is probably evil.

Luke. There’s a very good reason for why I said I believed Kyouko on Guillo, but unless I have to I don’t want to have to get into it. Just know you’re barking up the wrong fucking tree.

This post is screaming "I have a guilty"

"there's a very good reason" there hasn't been a stronger soft in the history of softs. Gamma is screaming at us from the dead thread.

If I'm wrong on this soft then the vig shot can be on me.

I was townreading guillo as well but if that isn't a soft for a guilty then I don't know what is. Cyrus should full claim.

Cyrus you have a claimed guilty on you with that player flipped PR, don't AtE me

Why would House gambit a fake claim just to get the (presumably) strongest PR on his team mechanically proven as scum? How is that bus helpful to him at all?

He is just being way too confident that that isn't a guilty soft.

INVENTORS ARE NOT INVESTIGATIVE.

Inventor is almost certainly just flavor

Cyrus when I said full claim I meant you should claim what your role does, not just the flavor.

AW is town. I believe that they legit bought the claim.

If Guillo isn't Frog, I'd yeet Cyrus from here to eternity because he "never bought the claim", which Robert later echoed about his team and is likely another slip.

Cyrus claimed to me something that isn't frog already, didn't he?

[Dwlee99]

What

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I was pushing him before you and Luke. Me having other shit to do on a Thursday night isn't me coming back to piggyback. I didn't check thread for a couple of hours, and then when I did immediately called the claim bullshit.

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I was the one ASKING for him to claim.

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Read 2360

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Vote Count 3.4

cyrus62

(5)

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Marashu - Dwlee99 - Roden - House - Titus

Dwlee99

(2)

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T3 - cyrus62

Not Voting

(3)

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mastina - Angel Warriors - Lukewarm

With 10 players in the game, 6 are required to Yeet unto the Eternal Void .

Deadline for casting into the Gate is in (expired on 2021-08-17 10:38:49)

Mod Notes

We still havent passed the D1 deadline...

Pronouns

T3- He/Him
Angel Warriors - They/Them
Roden - He/Him
ssbm_Kyouko - She/Her
Marashu - He/Him
cyrus62 - He/Him
Lukewarm - He/Him
Robert M Hunter - He/Him
House - He/Him
mastina - She/Her
Titus - She/Her
Gamma Emerald - He/Him
Dwlee99 - They/Them

Here is the VC showing I was second on the wagon. I only unvoted after the scum claim to prevent a self-hammer.

[Dwlee99]

House are you unable to read? What's going on here?

I also don't think you "misread Titus' flip" when it was clearly the vig shot.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so now it isn't that I was just joining in on your push when it was decided, it's that I joined in TOO early. Totally not a complete reversal of your previous point.

[Dwlee99]

I didn't claim I restarted pressure...

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I was just ALWAYS pushing him. The only time I stopped pushing him was when I had IRL shit to do.

[Dwlee99]

I didn't claim I restarted pressure...

You just want towncred for TMI'ing a soft catch was legitimate?

Fucking lol.

That was the LEAST SOFT soft I have ever seen.

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Luke. There’s a very good reason for why I said I believed Kyouko on Guillo, but unless I have to I don’t want to have to get into it. Just know you’re barking up the wrong fucking tree.

VOTE: Guillotina
Was half-tempted to vote Roden but I really think this is where people should be voting.

VOTE: Guillo
Okay I guess I'm kind of bored with Roden anyway so I'm fine seeing where this goes.

Here is where I saw it initially. I wasn't going to loudly claim a cop soft. I just joined the wagon silently.

[Dwlee99]

By saying they are 100% sure and then flipping town.

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I mean funny sure, scummy no.

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This sure is a game

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Ice cream flavor

Sure mara can go next

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I have a guess for who it is I think

Unrelated
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

A game I was scum with Cyrus he self-voted about a RL day or two into day one. He was saying he was town that time but then sort of implying he was scum? He just does weird things I think.

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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913

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So bad at flavor that I knew Cyrus should have claimed MP and he didn't.

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If I was in a PT with Cyrus, anything he did there would be completely against my (and probably anyone else's) wishes. I don't think trying to figure out who wouldn't let their partner do that is a worthwhile endeavor. I tried coaching Cyrus in that game I linked, he doesn't really take direction.

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And also guillo slot was gunning for me etc. etc.

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Why would scum want to steal their own vote when they can steal it from town? Im sorry but that question is dumb.

For this exact reason possibly? Now I have a townread on Gamma, so I don't think it has happened here, but that you didn't think about it makes me think you're not seriously trying to sort people. You're being performative.

Hey Guillotina, why do you act like me and Robert have to have the same alignment because Droo targeted both of us with the vote? How does knowing mine or Robert's alignment inform the other cause of that? Couldn't they have targeted scum with the second vote for WIFOM? This is huge TMI right now.

If I faked a day cop guilty on Guillotina would people believe it?

Idk maybe these are scum theater and Robert, guillo, and I are all hard distancing but also no because I'm town.

[Dwlee99]

And for context I thought in 1240 that Robert was town.

You can also track my ISO and see how I felt differently about Guillo and was trying to push him following the guilty soft, even saying I would "fake a day cop guilty" because I saw the soft. But then Gamma eventually moved away from it and I was like "oh nevermind I guess?"

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Pretty sure Spekkio would be evil, according to a Google search it's a boss in the game

also I know I'm the one saying it but I think I town slipped here if we think scum were in depth talking about fake claims like Spekkio

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House you played scum with me... do you think I get in personal fights with my scum buddies?

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I understand that I could be scum, I just don't think it is plausible especially compared to other slots here.

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I didn't say anyone specifically. Just compared to like mastina/roden?/aw??/aw??? (Ordered in "scum plausibility") I don't think I look like I am as plausibly scum.

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Put aw twice, three question marks should be luke.

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And plausibility is sort of different from likelihood in a way I can't articulate at this hour

[Dwlee99]

I understand that I could be scum

I have never seen this sentiment come from town.

JS

Well congrats?

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I'm gonna convince you that I'm not evil here cause you're just hard tunneled but I don't think anyone agrees with you soooo whatever

[Dwlee99]

Seriously though you're telling me you've never seen a completed game where someone acknowledged they aren't uber super townie? I don't believe you

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No shit dude

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The implication is clearly from your perspective, not mine.

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And yea, it's also called a defense. Those posts aren't scum hunting. The entire day phase has been us going back and forth and mastina posting random things in between. Scum is just watching us do this song and dance

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I don't know who is scum. There is one person in six and I just have not thought about it hard enough to figure out seriously.

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AW was stuck on Robert but I wonder if it is because the plan was for Guillo and them to deepwolf by bussing him.

Everyone has reasons for me to think they are town so I have to go deeper and it's rough in a six person pack. PoE is typically how I catch people and the ratio of scum to town is low here + people having reasons to be townread.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: T3
SCUM QUICKHAMMER ME!! @H?!? !!

I'm tempted honestly.

-bear beario

Here is my case on AW

/s?

[Dwlee99]

Plausibility is more like "could I see this person being scum." Almost like how shocked I would be if they were evil. Likelihood is how likely I think it is.

Right now I think it is plausible that almost anyone is evil. I wouldn't too surprised about it. But some people (like mastina) would be less surprising given there aren't many reasons for me to townread her right now cause her posting hasn't reached conclusions imo.

The likelihood part is much more relative and is sort of born out of the plausibility but is still different. I think it is more likely that Mastina is scum than you, for instance, and part of that is that you are less plausible as scum due to pointing out the guilty soft, but I also just feel good about your slot right now.

[Dwlee99]

It really feels like everyone is leaning between mastina and dwlee. If it is someone else, then this game will be a very stressful Elo

VOTE: mastina

why the person catching up over the person who has been here the entire game and still has no clue who he suspects?

I mean, I have some idea. You have me but given you're wrong who is your next? Then you're in the same boat you're accusing me of being in

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Your case right now is that I'm not sure enough about finding one scum in six players. That's ridiculous.

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Our PoEs are the same size dude. That was my entire point if you'd bother to read a single post I write

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You went on misunderstanding something earlier in the day phase for a page cause you refuse to just read what I say. Please try to actually read?

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"I have some idea." "You're in the same boat as me"

What did you THINK it meant to call me a liar

[Dwlee99]

I'm not going out of my way to not. I'm just not.

I think we kill mastina here unless she town tells. But she has been catching up all day phase and no one is doing anything except you and you're pushing me. So what am I supposed to do except defend myself here? There is no other content to react to

[Dwlee99]

You're gonna tell me to reread aren't you. Unlucky

[Dwlee99]

So first up, I skimmed up and a couple overall things to be mentioning.

number 1, the most important. I am hard town reading guillo. why is that? I have very valid reasoning actually and guillo is still town despite him scum reading me. you may ask why is that? I am 100% known for tunneling guillo in games. I admit to that and typically that is what I do. the reason is simply. he doesnt cooperate as town and that frustrates town me. but the last game guillo was in with me, he was scum and let me tell you the difference was drastic. it was like he went from a raging bull to a proper gentleman asking you for a dance. I am telling you the difference is that STARK. guillo as town won't give two shits before slamming your head into the pavement if he dislikes your read on him. what is cooperation? what is town block? none of that exists in his eyes

but scum guillo cares SO MUCH. he will reply extremely calmly to EVERY post you make. he will tell you "no sweetheart im not scum listen to my beautiful voice you know its not me but it might be X or Y. See they look scary bad go go!" he will try so hard to get you off him and in the nicest way in the world. I caught him immediately and was like oh fuck so this is what his scum game looks like. That is why the moment I saw him get angry in this game, I was willing to say with 100% certainty that he is town. I promise that I am not wrong here. Anyone can meta guillo. His scum and town game are NIGHT AND DAY. im not even exaggerating.

number 2, VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE. Lukewarm might be scum. Im back to that read. I understand that mom doesnt agree with me but his progression on me I dont like. A little bit of meta that is not that reliable but my main reason im second guessing mom right now is that Lukewarm's reads in games are typically pretty good. From my past games with him, I believe his reads are normally almost completely accurate with his only mistakes being due to personal bias. his mistakes in reads are almost always because the person is scum reading him. But we have not SRed him in a while here so I dont see a valid reason for him to SR me here especially after just getting out of a game with a three headed hydra of me, mom and flea. We got our asses tunneled to hell and back day one as town two shot mason vig. I dont see why he would be so eager to jump on us even if only off of that.

-readingupandreplyingtoinfdividualpostsnornor

This is proof that meta is bad @t3

[Dwlee99]

Okay so AW is probably town? On some ISO skimming. I get the vibe that the townread on Guillo was legitimate and not faked cause they were scum partners.

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I don't believe in the mason claim, to me is just a reaction test from House, I've done it before.

So I think I might want to look for other people reacting similarly. The way that Robert/Guillo reacted to the mason claim makes me think they had TMI about it (scum might know how the power roles work, for instance) and so I want to look for other people doing something similar

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inb4 no masonry.

Going by flavor, I think there actually are Masons.

So Roden initially reacts similarly to guillo/Robert to the claim, but then he says this which I think is +town.

[Dwlee99]

So what am I supposed to do except defend myself here? There is no other content to react to

There's plenty of existing content to analyze and hunt scum.

mastina is the 'easy' choice to try and push due to her lack of content and the fact her perspective is skewed by lack of information on everything that has happened thus far.

Luke & AW both have quite a bit of content to pore over. Are they town? Are they scum?

Am I wrong on Mara? Is there something damning in Roden's ISO that has been overlooked?

There's plenty to do without waiting to react to the latest accusation or theory. Your focus on dodging elimination over finding the last scum is why I want you deaderized.

PEdit: 2501 is a start, I'll give you that.

I know Mastina is the "easy" lim but sometimes that is the one that is just correct. I'm sold on Mara!town right now. Roden and AW seem townie on what I've looked at. Luke time.

[Dwlee99]

I like Luke on associatives with guillo/Robert BUT my one issue is that a lot of it seems to be only after Robert claimed neighbors with Luke. The reaction to the claim did seem genuine but Luke didn't really interact with Guillo or Robert beforehand. I want to check if Guillo was interacting with Luke though.

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There were some but the guillo interactions with Luke feel like scum pleading to townie vibes rather than scum scum interactions.

VOTE: Mastina

I get I don't live to ELO but I hope this just ends the game.

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Inb4 frog flip

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Titus is dead

[Dwlee99]

I was frog!

[Dwlee99]

Gamma - Blocks Guillotina activating the Reflexive Factional Votesteal.
Dwlee - Protects T3
Yakra commands Guillotina to kill T3.

Oh wow.

I was treating my action as t3 being confirmed, and gamma treated theirs as Guillo being scum. Turns out we were both correct.

[Dwlee99]

No, t3 just enabled it and I chose to shoot Titus cause he wanted that in thread.

[Dwlee99]

I was frog!

You know. This makes more sense why you believed T3's claim. He was the first person to mention mana.

He also claimed the flavor that I had in my role PM of the names, and I had thought I protected him from the night kill. So people were right that I had some TMI on him.

[Dwlee99]

He did some decent "I'm definitely not frog" posting as well lol

Including my night kill speculation that house was the N1 kill lol

I figured to protect t3 because he kept saying people should flavor claim before they get eliminated and he seemed like a choice scum would make even if they knew a doctor was in the game.

[Dwlee99]

I'm gonna go with a /pre-in as well.