Mini 679 - BSG: The Basestar (Game Over!)

[Grimmy]

Vote Grimmy

for taking so frikkin long to reply to the pm.

Grimmy
cant stand that guy!

[Grimmy]

A few answers

A few questions;

Vote Grimmy

Grimmy, do you think you are scum?

No. I thought it was funny. I talked to Grimmy and promised him lunch for hurting his feelings that that vote.

Vote: Channeldelibird

unvote

Fark, what was this all about?

he random voted the two people that preceded him.

KingEnigma, you seem reluctant to random vote.

Why is that, KingEnigma?

Good question
Seconded.

grimmy

[Grimmy]

Sure. But you don't seem to have asked any questions yet.. I'm curious to see this in action. Maybe I'm missing something?

your missing patience, im missing a brain, and the lurkers are missing courage. I know this place down this yellow brick road where we might be able to get these things wholesale. Ihave a membership card, so we should be ok.

Grimmy
watching those little people dance

[Grimmy]

I don't think I'm being impatient; in the 'model game' for not random voting, Newbie 465, people ask questions in their first post, even if it's as basic as "are you scum?" - and I can't see any reason to delay doing that. Definitely, if I were not-random-voting, I'd have asked a question or two by now, so I'm curious.

did you not see the "I need a brain" comment. That helped set the tone for the whole post.

Feng Shui for posting!!!

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Of course, Grimmy never seems to leave the random stage - even on like Day 3. And he seems to do okay.

QF-GOD GIVEN- T

im adding this to my sig.

truer words were never posted.

except that one time about someone warning me that the blind date I set up pver the internet would be a 350 lbman and not the college hot chick he pretended to be.

We are quite happy three years later btw.

grimmy

[Grimmy]

It usualyl happens when someone puts forth a solid vote with a solid reason for that person, which gets people talking about whether or not it is good or bad

Grimmy
fights this post for all he is worth (yeah, not so much actually)

[Grimmy]

Unvote

Grimmy
dragged kicking and screaming from the joke vote stage...for now

[Grimmy]

Unvote, Vote: Grimmy

, because this is exactly what I voted Timeater for, except Grimmy did it later in the day, when it's even less forgivable. And Timeater has posted actual content since then that does not read as particularly scummy to me.

Reasonable.

I only had time to catch up on one game that day, so I chose one I had neglected longer than this one. I will probably not get to go indepth with this game until at least monday, and that is still not a guaranteee, as todays events in RL will make my monday twice as hard, and I wont be around for the weekend.

Grimmy
giving a heads up

[Grimmy]

Unvote, Vote: Grimmy

, because this is exactly what I voted Timeater for, except Grimmy did it later in the day, when it's even less forgivable. And Timeater has posted actual content since then that does not read as particularly scummy to me.

Reasonable.

I only had time to catch up on one game that day, so I chose one I had neglected longer than this one. I will probably not get to go indepth with this game until at least monday, and that is still not a guaranteee, as todays events in RL will make my monday twice as hard, and I wont be around for the weekend.

Grimmy
giving a heads up

head up to the mod. I posted this on friday to let everyone know I wouldnt be around.

Grimmy
calling a foul on that last prod

[Grimmy]

anyone defending anyone is kind of suspect.

Can you elaborate on why you think that is so though?

I have a question tied to this, andit calls Tar's post into it.

let me try to put this in order

KE said that an OMGUS vote is NOT very different from a Random vote, which we already established is something KE is not interested in doing.

TAR flipped it around and said that KE thinks that an OMGUS vote is legit.

So my question is this,

I find what Tar did to be a suspicious. By pointing this out, am I defending KE, or am I Scumhunting Tar?

[Grimmy]

voting for someone because they are voting for me is barely more than random.

Let me get this straight.

As far as I can tell, you are implying that OMGUS is a valid reason to vote someone, albeit a very weak one. This, in turn, implies that voting for you is a weak scumtell.

1) Is this logic flawed, and if so why?

2) If OMGUS is a valid reason to vote someone and you haven't found any more valid reasons for voting, why aren't you voting with OMGUS as your justification.

this was the post I was refering to, and in it, TAR added the part about KE not wanting to random vote. it appears he was purposely trying to twist KE's post to make him seem scummy, and this is a scumtell on TAR to me.

fos TAR

i will look more into it before placing a vote.

Grimmy
in the middle of a read of the game so far

[Grimmy]

edit to the post above.

The original quote was KE's, and the rest was suposed to be Tar's response to it, as well as the next part where he quotes KE saying he does not like to random vote.

This was all in post 81 for those who wish to go back and see it.

Grimmy
screwed up the quote tags and the pruning to show the first half of tar's post

[Grimmy]

one last note

FOS: Timeater and Farkinsoup

Tim: some of your reasons seem reaching to me in the earlier posts

Fark: You seem to be the guy trying to direct traffic from the sidelines to avoid taking the lead on a case, which if it turns out a townie, you dont want all the suspicion and blame to fall on you.

Question for Mac:
What was the reference in Season 5 you were referring to. I would like to know, even if, in your opinion, it didnt apply. It may help anyway.

Grimmy
has to run for a bit

[Grimmy]

final post for now
those are my top three suspects for day one so far. I just ran out of time to accumlate a pbpa case or whatnot on the final two, or more reasons for the 1st one.

So for now, my FOS'es are my top three suspects. Period.

Havent gotten close to deciding who to vote for though.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

I think im the only one who gets Ke's jokes and finds them hysterical.

Grimmy
alone ina crowd

[Grimmy]

Grimmy: Could you answer the question I had in post 67?

Sure.

your question was this
Why did Grimmy answer the question that was posed to Awesome pants.

Grimmy answers:
At that point (very early in the game) that was more of a game mechanics question (imho) than a personal question, so I posted an answer to keep things moving, and it also fit into my running comentary about being in the joke vote phase.
Other reasons include the following
-I was currently in a newbie game at the same time as an IC was was prodded by the mod to share some experience with the new players, so I was still in "teach mode" of sorts. Those newbies really DID snatch the grasshoper from my hand. amazing
-That question was the mythical mountain, and I clombed it simply because it was there.

All in all, I answered to help the game along and I didnt think it was a big deal to do so. I would have done the same for anybody else. The cookies were a bonus, but were not required, per se.

Grimmy
mmm cookies.

[Grimmy]

@Grimmy: You didn't answer my question. Do you think it's possible that both Fark and Timeater are scum together?

Yes I think it is possible, but im a little concerned that we may lynch Time based upon what seems to be his normal playstyle. But on the same note, I tend to go with the "If you act scummy all the time, we cant trust you so its better off if your gone anyway" line of thinking. Ill wait to see what he says about his recent actions before voting though.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Ive been a bit distracted by work but I should be able to get back to this particular game this afternoon. Apologies to all who have kept things going without me.

Grimmy
will be back later

[Grimmy]

RL deadlines have kept me from spending too much time on this site, hence the quick replies in some games, but no long detailed post for this one. Hoping for tomorrow, but may have to wait until monday

One Out of Game question though

How does the Flask being two players thing work?
do they talk to each other before they post (like a mason ability) but only speak with one account? or will we be seeing a power struggle between them if they disagree about someone?

Grimmy
also has voices in his head, but they tend to agree usually. provided I shut them up with chocolate first

[Grimmy]

RL has been beating me like I slept with its wife. I should recover soon

Grimmy
still has the welts

[Grimmy]

Grimmy and camn still owe cylon-claims.

sorry for the delay. Major RL issues kept me from surfing as much as I would like.

In Summary
Im a amnesiac cyclon who feels closer to the humans and is sure of him/herself to where I can make my own decisions and have no dormant programming.

Also, Im sure of one other person in this game, but that one shall remain unmentioned.

I have not watched the game so I am reading up on it as I go. So if I seem lost about bsg specific comments, its because I am.


Grimmy
will have to look back for lynch candidates

[Grimmy]

I don't like grimmy's claim at all. It doesn't fit. Any name or model number, Grimmy?

the amnesiac comment is more aligned with everyones memory loss. I was trying to paraphrase

I am sure you can figure out the rest of my claim with what I typed before. Keep in mind im trying to fit my role pm into a way that fits more of what I know of themafia game and roles rather than what little I know of the show.

And I also thought we were only partial claiming and not name and model #.

[Grimmy]

You guys are allowed to discuss this game outside of the thread and you still came down on the side of being mysterious and evasive (at least at first)? Lovely. By the way, in response to FoP’s later question, the original post was evasive. FoP did come forward on their own, but it still looked like they were waiting to see how things would shake out before coming forward.

Someone being evasive generally doesn't want to commit or wants to wait for others to speak up first; I could have easily said nada and just happily let (at the time) a deadline lynch go through. I don't see why you find it bothersome that we didn't race claim in that particular post; would there have been some advantage to that that I'm missing? I'm starting to think you're trying to throw doubt on me rather than curious.

Actually... hang on. Five claimed Cylons. I'm a Centurion allied to Natalies/D'Anna (forbiddan)'s faction. Fark claims to be a Number Two, and forbiddan claims to be the last remaining Three... I'm seriously thinking Flask of Pestilence and MacavityLock for scum now. Assuming Fark and forbiddan are telling the truth - two scum seems a bit light, so I'd assume we have another scum who is lying about being human, or Grimmy is the 6th Cylon, and 3rd scum.
Vote: Flask of Pestilence .

Ok, I've just noticed something interesting. Farkshinsoup claims to be a number 2 but doesn't have a name, a wiki search reveals number 2 to be Leoben Conoy. My role name is Leoben Conoy. I don't know anything about the theme, and the wiki seems to contradict as to whether number 2 is a single being or several beings; so I'm unsure as to whether Farkshinsoup has just been caught in a fake-claim or not. I'd like some people who know their BSG stuff to comment on this; today could potentially be simple. I'll keep my vote on Macavity for now, but will vote for Farkshinsoup if it turns out our claims contradict each other.

Also, I'm a cylon who wants to join with humans; hopefully that's fairly obvious from Post 398. I think Knights of Cydonia is more likely to be town because of his unpressured claim and attempts to look for easy solutions, but I'm not comfortable assuming all of the scum are found in the cylons. However, after Grimmy's rather surprising claim, I'm pretty sure at least of the cylon claimers is scum, because my PM suggests there's only five cylons in the game. Interesting indeed.

(Patrick)

Given this info, I have to throw the two fingers, one is telling the truth while the other is lying. From the Wiki, im seeing that there are copies of the cylons, but I cant see more than one version of the same character.

Dual FOS: Farkinsoup & Flask of P.

I dont have an idea of who is lying, but I would like to see Fark's reply to this.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

but i dont think we would have more than one in this game.

Hence my FOS's

[Grimmy]

Im against a no lynch on the principle of it alone. It seems like a waste and gives the scum the first move. Id rather take a chance at lynching someone and learning what we can from there.

On another note:

General question for everyone who has not answered this:

Do you think it is possible to have more than one copy of any given number of a cylon? We have Fark and Flask claiming the same person, and in any other game, this would ring a number of alarms pointing to one of them being a lying scum. so,
Yes: it is likely to have multiple copies of number 2
No: one of them is lying.

Right now I beleive Im the only one who thinks that this is not likely. And I beleive we have two votes saying it is possible. Id have to go back to get an exact count, and I have some RL work to do, but I wanted to put this Q out there.

grimmy

[Grimmy]

However, after Grimmy's rather surprising claim, I'm pretty sure at least of the cylon claimers is scum, because my PM suggests there's only five cylons in the game. Interesting indeed.

(Patrick)

Typo here, right? I assume you're saying here that "at least

one

of the cylon claimers is scum," yes? Given the multiple copies we now might be seeing, I'd like to ask how this particular clause of your PM was worded (don't get modkilled). Were you told that there are only 5 cylon players? Only 5 cylon models? Only 5 cylon human-form models?

Right now, again depending on what Grimmy is, this does not necessarily contradict the "only 5 cylon models" reading: 2 (FoP, Fark), 3 (forbiddan), 6 (ML), Centurion (KoC), 8 (Grimmy).

lets just get that part out of the way.

Im Sharon Agathon, series 8. From what ive read on the wiki, im a hot asian chick. Woo hoo. Im SO attracted to myself right now its not even funny...well yeah it is..but still...

Grimmy
testing his hot asian chick parts...this may take a while

[Grimmy]

Pressuring for a full claim

Vote: Fark

I will unvote once the claim has been posted.

Grimmy
thats vote number 4 out of 7, so anyone else voting should be careful

[Grimmy]

Unvote

more when I get some time. I left this up overnight and just refreshed before starting work

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

I will unvote once the claim has been posted.

Why would you unvote immediately after a claim has been posted? Who would you be willing to lynch today then?

I only put my vote on him to give a bit more pressure for a full claim. I do not have any strong suspects at the moment, but the whole "two people claiming the same person (#2)" bothers me. The more I read about BSG on the Wiki makes it seem more and more possible, but with the limited amount of people in this game, im wondering why the mod would do so. It could be a mindf*ck on the mods part to make this game harder, or one of you is lying and hoping that it just falls by the wayside (which is seems to be doing)

-IncoGrimmytrick

[Grimmy]

I pretty much gave you guys all the info on my role.

Also, I dont think we should lynch what could be a jailkeeper on day one. If wehave a better lynch suspect, I say we go for it and find a way to test Mac's claim.

grimmy

[Grimmy]

Vote: Macavity

Im mor ein agreeance with everyones already posted reasons, so I wont be repeating them, and I need to keep up the "Uselessness to Camn" persona.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

avoiding prod. Will post late thursday or friday

Grimmy
deadlines at work

[Grimmy]

May I ask why this is scummy?

Because it's an obvious move to avoid suspicion. If you jumped on the ML bandwagon, it might have been seen as bussing. If you jumped on the KoC bandwagon, then it would have seemed that you were trying to save ML. You took the "safe" approach instead, which is why it seems scummy.

The way you phrased this, you make him sound guilty no matter WHAT he would have done.

-vote ml- your scum thats bussing
-vote Koc- Scum trying to save ML
-no vote- Also scummy

seems kind of close minded, and it discredits much of the suspicion.

FOS: Rishi

Grimmy

chiming in with a special note

With the holiday coming up, I will be on sporadically monday tuesday and wednseday, and then will be home for a foru day weekend with no access whatsoever.

Have a good turkey day/tofu day (for all you vegans) all

[Grimmy]

I would have voted for Rishi. Ill also wait for a claim.

so for now

Fos: Rishi

Grimmy
will post reasons next time (tomorrow/weds)

[Grimmy]

Thanks for letting us know that you're going to continue to not participate in this game. Thanksgiving was a week away when you posted this.

Anything for my second-favorite meerkat.

(only until I get to check out meerkat manor, then you will likely fall furtherdown the list, and as it is, you still fail in comparison to a disney character (Timon Rules!)

Grimmy
ppptthhhhbbbbbtttt

[Grimmy]

got the prod, even though I posted I would be away and rishi poked fun at me because of it.

RL work first, Scum hunting later.

Grimmy
typical grimmy posting..I know.. I know..

[Grimmy]

elmo: if (and likely when) anderson turns up not to be the last one, who is your top suspect?

grimmy
figures we keep talking until they close the joint

[Grimmy]

I vote AGAINST lynching anderson.


Ill leave it to the rest of you to put the info from what little posts I made to put two and two together.

IM sure the scum did a no kill to frame him for todays lynch.

Grimmy
going against the advice I was given

[Grimmy]

I also like the idea.

[Grimmy]

KILL: FARKINSOUP

[Grimmy]

im waiting for a reply from the mod before I post further.

explanation after i get word from the mod.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

ok
I got word from the mod, so here is my missing post.

I had written this yesterday morning, but when I checked back here it was gone, and the mod had updated the day scenes, so I wanted to make sure he didnt remove it for some reason. The problem was on my side, so here we go.

I have NO IDEA why I was TOLD to make that kill.

I got a note telling me what to do and I was not allowed to speak until the new day had begun.

I was not aware that I could do this, and the target was not my choice to make either.

Someone in this game has the power to get me to make a kill, or kills.
I dont know if this can happen again.
I doubt it will.

Another thing of note.
Anderson seemed to be as surprised as me when it happened.
I thought he was the one who commanded me to do the kill, but he acted like he didnt know what was going on.

I made my claims earlier in the game, but this tidbit was not given to me until the day three action I was commanded to do.

I think it was a one-shot ability, but if it is not, whoever made the shot had to be town, because they took out one of the scum with the shot. So whoever commanded this action, if this is a one-shot ability, then this proves you are a townie, and you should reveal that you did this so we can narrow down the list of potential scum.

If this was NOT a one-shot ability, then the rest of the town should make recommendations for who the next shot should be aimed at.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

I have to admit to a little bit of irritation, camn. I would have specifically

avoided

anything like a nameclaim or a roleclaim, because that gives out too much info. The only reason I was willing to do a race claim was that I strongly suspected that race wasn't correlated with role, which it apparently isn't. Do you accept that, in retrospect, you could quite happily have claimed "I'm a cylon" and nothing bad would have happened? Especially, Iam could have investigated someone else.

This basically confirms Iam's ability, by the way, which is nice. I'd be pretty surprised if he was scum, based on the crumb + ability.

Grimmy, did you pick the target? The shot didn't hit scum, in fact it hit the person the scum would most like dead, so I would imagine it's a scum ability. Is there any flavour justification for Helo acting like that? I suppose I'll be the first to say it; what comes to mind is obviously something like Sharon Valerii's programming, but that doesn't mean Grimmy is anti-town, I think. I would

hope

that it's a one-shot ability. The missing kills would mean either we've been really lucky somehow, or we have strong potential to block kills, and the scum would need compensation for that. I really can't see Grimmy using that kill as scum (WIFOM mode engaged).

I still think vanilla-style scumhunting is the way forward.

i did not get to pick the target. I misread farks description, which now puts me in a bit of a dilemma.

I do not know who activated me. If someone who watches the series knows, please let me know.
If the scum activated me, it makes me worried that they could do it again.
If a townie activated me, then their "aim" stinks.

So here is where I stand on this.

I am a townie, but for the continued safety of the town, I will go along with my own lynch if everyone else agrees that it is for the best.

If a townie activated me, Id like to know this so I dont sacrifice myself for nothing.

if the rest of you also beleive it was a one-shot deal, then I wont need to be sacrificed. My offer is out there only if everyone (or most everyone) beleives that I can and will be used for another kill. This may also be the reason the scum didnt do any night kills as well. But if it is a one shot deal and we go through with my lynch, then they have a chance for another night kill.

Final thoughts.

if the scum, or the townie who controls my actions, uses me for another kill of a townie, speed lynch me the next day so I cant be used a third time.

Grimmy
in someone elses control, and does not like it, not one little bit

[Grimmy]

@Grimmy: could you still explain why you didn't post in the QT, when you had like 3 days to do so? Also, could you explain why you thought that you would have been targeted tonight or tomorrow, and why you implied you would have died?

His belief that Farkshinsoup was guilty matches up with what he said in the quicktopic. However, he did not imply that he was forced to do a vig kill, he said that he received a vig kill.

1) IN the QT, I posted the assumption that YOU were the one who sent me for the kill. Your posts afterwards made me think otherwise, as you were questioning me as to what happened and why.
2) RL issues. I check certain spots sporadically when i get a free minute or three. These issues will continue over the next couple of weeks as the holidays wreck havok on my deadlines at work
3) In most games ive seen, declaring masonship makes you a target for Night kills. Also, the fact that I even did the kill made me think I would be NK'ed, because I was under the impression that I killed a scum and they would be targeting me. I also assumed that if I lived to the day scene, the town would quick lynch me for the kill the day before.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

*No claim is too outrageous. I survived for two days in Sci-Fi/Fantasy Mafia by claiming 1-shot bulletproof vig (Samwise Gamgee) as the Mafia Godfather (Sauron).

This is also the reason I tend to believe Camn's claim. I was in that game with you, and my character, while it seemed scummy (the guy from Mystery Science Theater 3k), I was actually town.


(side note: finding you as scum was still the best mafia playing I have done to this point)

Grimmy
no brag, just fact

[Grimmy]

Grimmy hasn't posted in eleven days and will be replaced.

You sent a prod on Friday, and was recieved today. It is in my sig and was made mention of in the beginning of the game that I have NO access on weekends.

Im still alive during the week, but if you still wish to replace me, I understand. I havent had much to add lately, but have been watching what little was going on while I was working on a shorter holiday schedule.

Simply put, Im here, I ask you DONT replace me due to my reasons above, but will not hold a grudge if I am replaced.

grimmy

[Grimmy]

Since this might be my last post as a member of this game, ill put this our there.


Im suspicious of my own partner, but I got his back until the end.

I have been in a few games where there has been a scum-town pairing, and this is what I originally thought when Anderson denied knowledge of sending me to kill. Some of the other comments in this game have also struck me as odd, whe it comes to our pairing, but its also understandable as they were early in the game, and announcing the masonship was a move intiated by myself, and my gameplay has not been the best in this game, so a slight distancing from me is understandable.

There is alot of talk about Camn suspicions that also cannot be ignored, and is worth looking into.

My main curiosity, though, is who sent me for the kill, and why. Was it a townie who mistakenly killed another townie, or was it scum who have some hold over me.

As for who would be next, if I am used to kill another townie, id say lynch me immediately before more damage can be done.

Grimmy
will check in later this week to see if he is still in the game, along with a more sollid answer to the FL question

[Grimmy]

i thought i had posted that in here.

Ill have to go back and look.

Grimmcog

[Grimmy]

@Grimmy: could you still explain why you didn't post in the QT, when you had like 3 days to do so? Also, could you explain why you thought that you would have been targeted tonight or tomorrow, and why you implied you would have died?

His belief that Farkshinsoup was guilty matches up with what he said in the quicktopic. However, he did not imply that he was forced to do a vig kill, he said that he received a vig kill.

1) IN the QT, I posted the assumption that YOU were the one who sent me for the kill. Your posts afterwards made me think otherwise, as you were questioning me as to what happened and why.
2) RL issues. I check certain spots sporadically when i get a free minute or three. These issues will continue over the next couple of weeks as the holidays wreck havok on my deadlines at work
3) In most games ive seen, declaring masonship makes you a target for Night kills. Also, the fact that I even did the kill made me think I would be NK'ed, because I was under the impression that I killed a scum and they would be targeting me. I also assumed that if I lived to the day scene, the town would quick lynch me for the kill the day before.

Grimmy

For incog


also, I have an unasnwered question to the masses.

in the series, WHO activated the cylon to attempt to kill odama? (i beleive thats what someone said)

If we find this out, it may give us a clue as to who one of the scum would be.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

@Grimmy: could you still explain why you didn't post in the QT, when you had like 3 days to do so? Also, could you explain why you thought that you would have been targeted tonight or tomorrow, and why you implied you would have died?

His belief that Farkshinsoup was guilty matches up with what he said in the quicktopic. However, he did not imply that he was forced to do a vig kill, he said that he received a vig kill.

1) IN the QT, I posted the assumption that YOU were the one who sent me for the kill. Your posts afterwards made me think otherwise, as you were questioning me as to what happened and why.
2) RL issues. I check certain spots sporadically when i get a free minute or three. These issues will continue over the next couple of weeks as the holidays wreck havok on my deadlines at work
3) In most games ive seen, declaring masonship makes you a target for Night kills. Also, the fact that I even did the kill made me think I would be NK'ed, because I was under the impression that I killed a scum and they would be targeting me. I also assumed that if I lived to the day scene, the town would quick lynch me for the kill the day before.

Grimmy

For incog


also, I have an unasnwered question to the masses.

in the series, WHO activated the cylon to attempt to kill odama? (i beleive thats what someone said)

If we find this out, it may give us a clue as to who one of the scum would be.

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

it seems to be a toss up between camn and Forbidden light.

so, Kison, who would be your choice betwixt the two?

and why is FL so dead set against making a pbpa?

Grimmy
will return monday

[Grimmy]

I claiemd everything already.

Vote: No Lynch

Grimmy

[Grimmy]

See? I TOLD you it wasnt me!

Sorry hubby, Ill earn your trust back again someday


grimmy