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Dude, your centurion is showing.
I also think that Elmo has a legitimate gripe with KE. But that's not the issue. The question here should be: is KE's behaviour thus far a scumtell, or a null tell? I say it's a null tell because that's his meta. Of course, it doesn't mean that he's not scum, but I'd like Elmo (or anyone else) to make more of a case for it.Rishi wrote:I think that Elmo has a legitimate gripe with what KE is doing. It's not just play style.
You shot who in the what now? What did I do ( or not do) on page 1 that you have a gripe with?ChannelDelibird wrote:unvote, vote: Farkshinsoupfor a highly unhelpful page 1. I don't know when deliberately not trying to help the random vote stage kickstart the game becamein vogue, but it has to stop.
I would draw a distinction between "refusing to discuss things" and "temporarily withholding information".ChannelDelibird wrote:That, basically, reads to me like "woo I'm so mysterious no info for you! Let's undermine the random voting stage by refusing to discuss things but intimating that they are important!"Farkshinsoup wrote:I won't answer at this time. Try again later, maybe.iamausername wrote:Fark, what was this all about?Farkshinsoup wrote:Vote: Channeldelibird
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Yes. This I can get behind. When I have a little more time, I'll try to read more KE games and see if this is the case.Elmo wrote:As far as I know, his meta is that he asks questions (etc) instead; I count not doing (or delaying) that as a small scumtell. Do you follow my train of thought, here?
Since you're asking anyone, I think you're reaching a bit. Seemed like he was just summarizing his impressions of people up to that point.Tarhalindur wrote:Information Instead of Analysis, anyone?
He has every right to ask you (or anyone else) these questions, and he really isn't being all that aggressive (I'm trying to imagine how thestatusquo would have done it). I would call it "direct and to the point".Timeater wrote:What makes you think you can just demand answers out of everyone in this fashion under the guise of good scumhunting?
Yes, it was unhelpful. I've already explained why I did that. Why have you leap-frogged over my explanation from post 78 and reached back to point out that the original post was unhelpful? Do you believe my explanation? This feels like fake scum-hunting to me.Timeater wrote:I'm not Tar But I think there is a good chance Fark is scum. Few things really stand out:
Farkshinsoup wrote: Vote: Channeldelibird
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I won't answer at this time. Try again later, maybe.
Unhelpful much?
I stated that this was my interpretation of Elmo's vote (Note the word "seems"). But you first categorically state that I was wrong about why Elmo was voting King, and then in the next sentence you say that this is your "impression". Which is it, verifiable fact, or your opinion?Timeater wrote:Unvote: Vote Elmo
It seems like you are voting King solely because you have a gripe with his play style. Not good.
Thats not at all why Elmo was voting for king. At least thats not the impression I got. I think he saw Elmo as a threat with his extremely proactive posting and came up with a BS reason for a vote (a reason which really isnt even technically correct) That doesn't sit right with me. Then he later goes on to conform when called on it.
This is ridiculous. Tarhalindur explicitly directed his questions to YOU in post 82. (and to KE in post 81). Why would I answer the questions? Please feel free to point out where I have evaded questions DIRECTED TO ME in this game. This is the scummiest thing I've seen in this game so far.Timeater wrote:(directed at me)I'd like to hear your answers. You seem evasive.
I like how he doesn't bother answering the said questionaire himself but wants to hear my answers and goes on to state I'm being evasive. That just irks my scumdar. Its like one of those oh-so-subtle pot-shots scum take at townies for anything, ANYTHING, that could be construed as scummy. Those little, sometimes innocent seeming "pot-shots" are a great scumtell imo (and I've had alot of success with recognizing them).
Well, at least you admit that this "argument" is only your opinion.Timeater wrote:I approve of Tarhalindur vs. Timeater (and then goes on to backtrack saying he just used it to denote interactions bla bla bla)
I still say this is an attempt to brew up confusion and conflict. Thats just my personal view, but I'm sticking to that.
Sorry, I should have been clear, I wasn't trying to imply that you and Elmo were scum buddies when I said this:Timeater wrote:Also implying that Elmo and I are somehow connected is ludicrous. I have acknoledged him as a good town player and should be treated as such. Would I really be STUPID enough, if I were scum, to try to create a WIFOM-esq bond like that d1? The answer is no.
My implication was that as scum, you would have inside knowledge that Elmo was town, and would benefit from buddying up to him. How are you so sure that he is town at this point?Farkshinsoup wrote:Could it be that you, the admitted Elmo fanboy, are convinced I'm scum because I dared to challenge Elmo in the first place? Or is there another reason?
Yes. The question was directed to you, and you obfuscated. I wanted to hear your answers and found you evasive. I called you out on it. What does "fair" even have to do with this?Timeater wrote:Really, is it fair of you to sit back and judge me of being evasive about not answering a questionaire style post when it easily could be applied to any player in this game?
I'm going to resist the urge to respond to that with extreme sarcasm. You've totally sidestepped my argument by just asking me the questions that were originally asked of you. I'm sure you're hoping that I won't answer them, so that you can then argue that I've evaded answering the very questions that you yourself did not want to answer. Wish granted! If anyone else but you wants me to answer these questions, I'd be glad to.Timeater wrote:I guess my main response to you, Fark, is this:
requoting questions that were asked of him and KE
Farkshinsoup wrote:This is ridiculous. Tarhalindur explicitly directed his questions to YOU in post 82. (and to KE in post 81). Why would I answer the questions? Please feel free to point out where I have evaded questions DIRECTED TO ME in this game. This is the scummiest thing I've seen in this game so far.Timeater wrote:(directed at me)I'd like to hear your answers. You seem evasive.
I like how he doesn't bother answering the said questionaire himself but wants to hear my answers and goes on to state I'm being evasive. That just irks my scumdar. Its like one of those oh-so-subtle pot-shots scum take at townies for anything, ANYTHING, that could be construed as scummy. Those little, sometimes innocent seeming "pot-shots" are a great scumtell imo (and I've had alot of success with recognizing them).
My original statement was pretty neutral. I usually try to choose my words pretty carefully. Notice I did not say, "I find it suspicious that you are not random voting." or "I find it scummy that you are not random voting." It was early in the game, and I was trying to generate discussion by pointing out something I had noticed. So there was no suspicion to withdraw, and I never criticized his play style in the first place.Rishi wrote:I didn't think anything in particular would jump out at me during a re-read, but there's this here:
You know, I probably wouldn’t have even noticed that KE didn’t random vote if Fark didn’t point it out. Then, after things got stirred up, he immediately withdrew his suspicion. Then, later, Fark jumps on people for criticizing KE’s “play style," when he really started it.Farkshinsoup wrote:KingEnigma, you seem reluctant to random vote.
I think "ridiculously hypocritical" is a bit of hyperbole, but I get your point. Since you've requested, I'll answer:Iam wrote:OK, this is kind of ridiculously hypocritical. Either it's scummy to evade these questions or it isn't. You can't have it both ways. Sure, maybe Timeater is using them as a smokescreen to distract from other things. Why can't you point this out AND answer the questions?
What is your obsession with "fairness" and things being "even". This game is, at its core, full of unfairness. It's unfair when innocent townies get lynched. It's unfair when townies are set up by scum. Why does everyone have to ask and answer the same questions? How does that help catch scum, who, by the way, have an "unfair" advantage by knowing who their buddies are and the abiliity to talk to each other and kill at night?Timeater wrote:Is it good town play to avoid questions posed in a serious manner that hope to benefit the town? The questions I posed were not meant to be sarcastic, merely answered so the game is even.
QFT.iam wrote:Sure, maybe Timeater is using them as a smokescreen to distract from other things.
Fair enough, it's good to know where you stand.Rishi wrote:I think Tim's arguments are good. I didn't feel the need to repeat them.
QFT. I was trying to generate discussion early on, when there wasn't much to talk about. But why do you equate "instigator" with "scum"?Rishi wrote:I'm claiming that you're an instigator.
I take issue with "unnoticed". I've been noticed by CDB, Timeater, Iam, you, and Elmo in the short time this game has been going on. I've hardly been hiding in the shadows, either. If you're reading all of this into that original statement about KE's lack of a random vote, you're making a lot of assumptions, IMO.Rishi wrote:It's funny that you raised an issue, which raised suspicion on both people who participated in the argument (KE and Elmo) and you seemed to slip away unnoticed.
Tarhalindur specifically asked me to respond to this point. At the time, I meant that I couldn't get a read on him because there wasn't much there.Timeater wrote:I'm not trying to smokescreen anything, lol. Please tell me what I'm "smokescreening".
Anyway, looking over your answers, only one thing stands out:
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Don't know, jury's still out.
Whats this mean, you basically will follow votes and join a wagon if the critical suspicion mass on KE reaches its teetering point? I dont like that. Please clarify if thats not what you meant. Also, I dont see how this information, as you claim, is disingenuous. Can you point out how I am not being sincere here?
The point of me asking, and you answering, is to try to get you to take a stand on the two "bandwagon" players in this game. You haven't taken a stand on anyone or anything in this game so far, I haven't seen any scum hunting to speak of, and that's making it impossible to for me to get any kind of a read on you.Awesome Pants wrote:What would you think of me if I found you town? Scum? Why did you ask what I thought of Timeater?
Sometimes, to avoid a no-lynch situation, especially on Day 1, it's pro-town to lynch someone other than your top choice. Please show me how it's not.KingEnigma wrote:My first lynch choice is Farkshinsoup, but I could probably get behind a Farkshinsoup lynch at deadline.
I've always found it odd that people wouldn't vote for who they think is the scummiest, just whoever has the best chance of being lynched? Come ON!
QFT. This is why, with the deadline looming, we need to identify where everyone stands. Timeater has not posted anywhere, and he's in another active game where his last post was prior to his last post here. I don't think he's lurking, he most likely has RL issues.Tarhalindur wrote:I'm starting to get torn here - I really think that Timeater is scum, but I'm extremely reluctant to lynch an inactive player (since said inactive player will not have a chance to claim).
At worst, Elmo is being deliberately obscure and tight-lipped. To suggest that this behaviour is worthy of a policy lynch, regardless of his alignment, is a scumtell, IMO.Tarhalindur wrote:even if you were guaranteed to be town I would consider a policy lynch.
Tarhalindur, post 45, Page 2 wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I have a destiny.
Speaking of that... testing, testing, one two three...
Unvote, Vote: ChannelDelibird
Unvote, Vote: Timeater
Unvote, Vote: Rishi
Unvote, Vote: Farkshinsoup
Unvote, Vote: Awesome Pants
Unvote, Vote: iamausername
Unvote, Vote: Tarhalindur
Unvote, Vote: Elmo
Unvote, Vote: andersonw
Unvote, Vote: MacavityLock
Unvote, Vote: Grimmy
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Tarhalindur, post 207, Page 9 wrote:Pardon me, I should probably do this now. Part 1:
Unvote, Vote: KingEnigma
What is the deal with this Tar? Is this some role requirement?Tarhalindur, post 208 wrote:Part 2:Unvote, Vote: Timeater
There. What's done is done.
At the time, I was checking on Tim's status on the boards and could see that he'd dropped off. I was fairly certain that the mod, if requested by us, would replace him and extend the deadline. But Forbidden seemed to be exhorting us to get on with the lynch no matter what. I would vote her as a 2nd choice.Forbiddenlight, post 259, Page 11 wrote:Look, I think timeater is the lynch whether he's active or not.
This post sticks in my craw (and not just because he had just voted me). Many players have acknowledged that Tim made some crappy arguments, it's why I went after him so hard (and made a few of my own crappy arguments - that's how I roll, yo!). But Rishi, who's a pretty sharp player, upon rereading, has no problem with them. To boot, the thing that sticks out to him is this observation I made about KE and his reluctance to random vote. And to top it off, at that point I had clearly been pretty active and aggressive, yet he accuses me of instigating and slipping away unnoticed.Rishi wrote:Farkshinsoup wrote:My original statement was pretty neutral. I usually try to choose my words pretty carefully. Notice I did not say, "I find it suspicious that you are not random voting." or "I find it scummy that you are not random voting." It was early in the game, and I was trying to generate discussion by pointing out something I had noticed. So there was no suspicion to withdraw, and I never criticized his play style in the first place.Rishi wrote:I didn't think anything in particular would jump out at me during a re-read, but there's this here:
You know, I probably wouldn’t have even noticed that KE didn’t random vote if Fark didn’t point it out. Then, after things got stirred up, he immediately withdrew his suspicion. Then, later, Fark jumps on people for criticizing KE’s “play style," when he really started it.Farkshinsoup wrote:KingEnigma, you seem reluctant to random vote.
This is really what stood out to you on your re-read? I'd like you, and others, to weigh in on Timeater's arguments for my scumminess: Good, bad, or ugly?I think Tim's arguments are good. I didn't feel the need to repeat them.
And, yes, it did jump out on me. It seems like a neutral statement, but the fact is that you were the catalyst to the whole conversation about KE. It's funny that you raised an issue, which raised suspicion on both people who participated in the argument (KE and Elmo) and you seemed to slip away unnoticed. I'm claiming that you're an instigator.
I've been operating under the assumption that we needed a majority to lynch at deadline. (I assumed this back before the first deadline got changed, as well) My bad.rules wrote:10. At deadline, the player with the most votes (marked with a asterisk) will be lynched. In the event of a draw, the player who had the most votes before being tied will be lynched.
Here's what I said in post 252, near the top of page 11:forbiddanlight wrote:Problem with that is I didn't check his activity. I actually figured he was active lurking because he didn't want to deal with everything levied at him.
At the time, I was checking on Tim's status on the boards and could see that he'd dropped off. I was fairly certain that the mod, if requested by us, would replace him and extend the deadline. But Forbidden seemed to be exhorting us to get on with the lynch no matter what. I would vote her as a 2nd choice.
A little further down the page, in post 259 (posted about 1 hour after mine), you said this:Farkshinsoup wrote:Timeater has not posted anywhere, and he's in another active game where his last post was prior to his last post here. I don't think he's lurking, he most likely has RL issues.
You didn't have to check his activity levels, because I mentioned it in thread. Since we were all discussing whether to lynch Tim in his absence, and you clearly engaged in that debate, it seems strange that you would now claim that you didn't have any knowledge of his activity levels on the board.Forbiddenlight wrote:Look, I think timeater is the lynch whether he's active or not. I honestly think it would not be conducive to try to switch bandwagons with only four days left. I'm also pretty sure that tim is scum.
So, to be clear, you never read my post 252 and had no knowledge that Tim hadn't posted anywhere on the site?forbiddanlight wrote:Just because I participate in a debate doesn't mean I pay attention, odd as that sounds.
iam wrote:I'm really sort of stuck for where to go now; I've got an unusually long list of people I don't want to lynch for D1, but no one at all that I have any particular desire to see dead.
What does this mean?camn wrote: Last I checked, D'anna was a royal PITA to everyone, right?
I get why you are against this. But think of it this way - in a regular game, your role would say something like "you are a vanilla townie, you win when all the scum are dead." So you know what team you're on, you know you're not a part of an informed minority (that's scum), and you also know that scum are going to try to pretend to be town in order to win.Camn wrote:And I would like to reiterate. . I am against this claiming business TODAY.
That's how I remember it. KoC, nothing I can really say to defend myself here, since it's all based on flavour interpretation.iam wrote:Twos are aligned with the Sixes and Eights (sans Boomer) in the "Can't we all just get along?" rebel faction.
Yes, but he already had some votes on him, I was more interested in putting my vote on anderson, who I consider to be actively lurking. (posting without saying much). It's a worse crime IMO.Rishi wrote:Just an FoS? Isn’t that the definition of lurking? Ignoring one game while posting actively in others?
Not much more to say about it, really.Frakshinsoup wrote:I'm a number 2 (no toilet jokes please). For those of you keeping track, that's Leoben, the whackadoo who imprisoned Starbuck on New Caprica and who thinks she's got a destiny. I was never given a name by the mod, just a model number, but thanks to wikipedia, I figured it out.
One question: why did you need to search to find this out, I specifically mentioned how I had to search wikipedia for the same info in my post where I claimed.Flask wrote:Farkshinsoup claims to be a number 2 but doesn't have a name, a wiki search reveals number 2 to be Leoben Conoy.
No.Iam wrote:Was anyone else given this much information about their alignment?
Remember, I was uncertain at the start about exactly what team I was on. I didn't deliberately place that vote to seem "anti-cylon," if that's what you're implying. There wasn't a lot of deep thought there, it mostly just seemed amusing to me that your av is an actual centurion, so that's where I put my vote during the random stage.iam wrote:Fark, if you are a town-aligned cylon, why would you make this random vote?