Mini 681 - Mish Mash Mafia - THE END!

[Caboose]

I think the choice for executioner is clear:

Vote: Caboose

Vote for me and bask in my awesomness.

[Caboose]

How many votes elects the executioner?

Maybe we should meta game and see who has the best win record for town

Let's do a meta game and see who has the best record for vig.

[Caboose]

Unvote

Enough foolishness from me.

Here's what I suggest.

We each pick a person that we would kill if elected executioner. Once we have everyone covered (everyone's got somebody that would kill them), then we play like a regular mafia game. Instead of voting for the person we want to lynch, we vote for the executioner who would kill that person.

Is that OK, or is that stupid?

[Caboose]

But then it's basically a random lynch?

I did not suggest a random lynch at all. I suggested that we play it like a normal mafia game, with a slight change in mechanics.

We don't have really any reason to validly kill anyone at this point.

No, we don't at this exact moment, but we will by the end of D1.

[Caboose]

I'm not sure that I agree with trying to defeat the "theme" part of the game...

What do you suggest, then?

[Caboose]

I'm not sure that I agree with trying to defeat the "theme" part of the game...

What do you suggest, then?

Well, the logical would be to just pick the person who seems the most town...

The person who is most town =/= the person who has the most in-tune scumdar

[Caboose]

Question to Max: How many votes does someone need to be executioner?

[Caboose]

I refuse to state who I would kill, because as soon as the scum know who each of us would kill, they can and more than likely will attempt to steer lynches onto town players who would kill town.

Vote Caboose

for suggesting it.

Huh? I make the suggestion that we basically turn this into a regular game of mafia. The scum are going to try to get elected executioner anyway, so I don't see why my suggestion is scummy.

FoS: Knight

for voting for me for something that's

not

a scumtell.

[Caboose]

Scum won't want to be elected executioner, necessarily -

Yes they do. It's like giving them two nightkills.

it'd be wiser to push a lynch on a pro-town player who would kill another pro-town.

Then, the scum are leaving a lot up to chance. They are just hoping that the pro-town executioner they choose won't kill them or their scumbuddies.

That is why saying who you'd kill if selected is a bad idea - scum can push for a lynch that will give them a double kill of town.

Not a bad idea at all. Scum can push for a lynch of a pro-town player anyway in a normal game. And if people already tell who they are going to kill, then we're shifting the power from the executioner to the town, which I think is going to work for us in the end.

My vote stays

Any proof? Any reason to support your answer? How is my suggestion anti-town? And you know that you are voting for me for executioner, right?

[Caboose]

I'm sorry, maybe I don't understand the rules. Someone please explain them to me.

Yes. I'd rather see 1 scum and 1 town die, than 2 town and then the NK.

You refuse to answer my questions, or try to counter my points. Your points are weak, you don't follow them up, and you dodge questions about them. Does anyone else besides me find that scummy?

[Caboose]

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU HAVE TO ELECT THE EXECUTIONER

"I see you have found your way to the arena", says the voice over
"The rules are simple, each player has a vote, vote for the person who you wish to determine the dead person, unfortunately on the chopping board there is a gun, with a single bullet, upon the person being chosen to die another will be shot."

You start murmuring amongst yourselves, and realise that its a dilemma lynch scum and town certainly dies, lynch town and town certainly dies.

After a while you remember you have to play the game, so Pronto

I don't get this part, could someone please explain that to me.

I don't think would partial to getting elected or whether the person they choose kills another pro-town: it still ends up in the same outcome for them.

Well, the executioner does still have their right to kill whomever they wish

.

That's exactly why we should follow my suggestion. If we just elect the person who seems "most pro-town" then we concentrate all that power into one person who we don't know to be scum or town. If we bind everyone to a target, we diffuse the power to the majority.

Now, what I have trouble understanding is how people find the above to be scummy on my part.

[Caboose]

Upon reading the rules, I got the impression that we vote for whom we want to lynch, but the lynched person gets to kill one other before they go down. You guys all seem to be interpreting it differently, so maybe I'm wrong. But that's how I read it.

Oh, so once someone is executed, they get to use a vig kill/scum extra kill?

[Caboose]

If I have that right, I certainly think we should vote for the scummiest.

Yes. I'd rather see 1 scum and 1 town die, than 2 town and then the NK.

So, let me get this straight. You view my non-scummy action as a scumtell, label me as scum for it, fail to rebut any of my points, dodge my questions, and then act like you know my alignment for certain?

Does anybody besides me find that scummy, or is it just me?

[Caboose]

Oh, and I almost forgot.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

[Caboose]

"I see you have found your way to the arena", says the voice over
"The rules are simple, each player has a vote, vote for the person who you wish to determine the dead person, unfortunately on the chopping board there is a gun, with a single bullet, upon the person being chosen to die another will be shot."

Wait, I misread that. I think we choose the executioner who kills someone. Then the player that dies get a kill. In that case

Unvote

.

If elected, I will bind myself to the target of Knight.

[Caboose]

A vanilla 3:9 is the set-up

(With a vengeful killing D1)

Yeah, I think that RestFermata is right.

[Caboose]

I don't like it, but clearly the town has decided.

unvote

, because I have no intention of getting revenge-killed by scum.

You're still dodging my questions! For that matter, everyone is dodging that. Setup discussion should be saved for later, time to scumhunt.

Scum will aready be steering the lynch, so why give them even more information to base their decision on?

What kind of power do you think that we're giving the scum that they wouldn't normally have by doing what sekinj has suggested? I don't understand your argument.

[Caboose]

In this game, if people do what sekinj and caboose have been suggesting, the scum could theoretically make someone an executioner who wants to kill a pro-town player who had said they would revenge-kill another pro-town player.

And if we don't do what sekinj and I suggest,

scum can still do that

. We're just making an organized system.

I fail to see how that makes me scummy.

If people follow sekinj and Caboose' advice to announce who they would kill if given the chance, scum could theoretically engineeer a double town kill.

They could do that even if we don't follow sekinj's system. We want organization and good communication. I don't see how you are opposed to this and how you're

trying to frame me as anti-town because of this

.

I'm only repeating myself because you idiots aren't listening.

You're still dodging my questions and my points from last page.

You're the only one not listening.

[Caboose]

If you want to talk theoretically, scum could just majority vote a scum buddy to be executioner and be able to double kill as well. But either way, they would be leaving evidence behind.

Thank you for saying something that makes sense.

[Caboose]

I'm cranky, on the downswing of the MDD curve, and I haven't slept for 3 days. I'm probably a tad antagonistic right now.

It's OK, bad mood does not mix with mafia.

I'd even prefer a random election than giving someone power just because they say they'll pick so-and-so

I think that the former gives more power to the executioner while the latter gives more power to the majority.

[Caboose]

Caboose his idea can be seen as WIFOM to vote him.

WIFOM? Where?

Therefor I'll Vote Sekinj

So, you vote for the person that I agree with?

[Caboose]

I don't think Empking is scummy at all, his suggestion makes sense to me. He thinks that I'm scummy (I don't know why) but if I turn up town (which I will) then he puts reasonable trust in scumdar to be able to vengeful kill actual scum. He made a mistake in the mechanics and he voted for me. He should have voted for the person who would kill me.

[Caboose]

Being confused about the mechanics =/= scummy

[Caboose]

Vote: Mana_Ku, as she seems to be the only person here with two working eyes and some brain cells left dedicated to reading comprehension.

FoS: KoC

For using an ad hom argument, which I personally take exception to.

FoS: Mana Ku

For labelling my idea WIFOM when it is clearly not. She also labelled Letsbefriends as WIFOM when s/he is clearly not.

[Caboose]

I won't vote Caboose, that's a given.

By suggesting that idea, it seems as if he's pro-town

. I saw a game at the marathon day, where someone who also suggested an idea was the bad guy. This is a clear case of WIFOM.

See here why i believe proposing this idea is WIFOM. This is why it's not WIFOM to agree with it.

State every idea you want. It's good for town as it leads to discussion. However, there are ideas which i won't agree with or which I don't trust. Just like now.

Also, why don't you want to be the executioner?

I didn't propose that system to look pro-town, I did it to make an organized system.

x2 FoS: Mana Ku

For again, labelling my idea WIFOM when it clearly is not.

I'm interested in hearing KoC's response to my FoS. I'd also like to see his explanation for why he used an ad hom argument.

[Caboose]

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm getting some anti-town vibes from Mana Ku as stated in my FoS.

Unvote

Vote: sekinj

Hasn't done anything all game that jumps out as scummy, but my vote is subject to change.

[Caboose]

Can't remember whose question it is, but it was something along the lines of why sekinj's idea is not WIFOM [in relation to alignment], while Caboose's is.

OK, I didn't create the "WIFOM." You and Mana Ku did, in your minds. I don't know why I have to be held accountable for that. I did an action, and you can interpret it any way you want, but don't twist what I did into WIFOM when your interpretation of what I did is really WIFOM.

Caboose's idea can lead to scum steering the lynch, while sekinj's gives town more information as everyone is needed to participate, which I think is more indicative of a townie mind

The scum can steer the lynch with sekinj's suggestion too, or any system for that matter. I did nothing scummy. SG, Mana, and KoC are all inventing attacks on me, and I'm surprised that no one has caught on to that yet.

[Caboose]

Enough mechanics. Scumhunting time. Now!

Vote: Mana_Ku, as she seems to be the only person here with two working eyes and some brain cells left dedicated to reading comprehension.

FoS: KoC

For using an ad hom argument, which I personally take exception to.

I would still like to hear from KoC as to why he used an ad hom for the reason for his vote.

[Caboose]

Lynch: Orange Penguin

He didn't look scummy to me until I reread his posts and saw the OMGUS on letsbefriends. He also came to some pretty silly conclusions about LBF. His lurking also doesn't make me feel great.

I also don't like how KoC suggests a his own lynch.

[Caboose]

Lynch: me ; shoot OP

Why are you suggesting your own lynch? I really don't like that because I can't think of a situation where a pro-town role would want their own lynch. I think you're just trying to create confusion. I suggest the vengeful kill to be used on KoC if OP comes up town.

[Caboose]

Rally - gain 5 energy points at the beginning of each round

[Caboose]

I bid 10 on Obama Bomb and 5 on Rally.

[Caboose]

I would also like to bid 5 for Electoral College.

[Caboose]

^ you're either scum or a townie that really doesn't want the scum to have the those two weapons

Unfortuneatly, you're giving yourself only 40 energy to start off with if you're town. And rally isn't that great of a weapon.

I bid 31 on electoral college and 9 on campaign commercial.

[Caboose]

35 on Obama Bomb

[Caboose]

40 Obama Bomb

[Caboose]

I hope people realize that when they get super powers, they lose that energy that they bid.

FoS: MafiaSSK

For making a ridiculously strong power.

10 on clean campaign

@Mod - How is the lynch going to be decided

[Caboose]

30 Expose Deep Dark Secret

[Caboose]

20 on Clean Campaign

[Caboose]

35 on dark secret

[Caboose]

40 on dark secret

[Caboose]

*cough*

[Caboose]

Considering the modkill

Modkilling who?

[Caboose]

[Caboose]

I read through most of day one. Some interesting things about who to elect and who to kill. I agreed with the top two people as the execution. Both sek and caboose had some good ideas. I think KOC's attack on caboose was weak.

OK.

Umm there should be only 3 mafia they don't rule the game the town does. that is why the idea is poor.

What's your point?

I agree that caboose idea seems more in favor with mafia then town.

No, it does not. Did you not read, or did you not understand what I suggested? I just suggested that we all play a regular game of mafia with slightly different mechanics. How does that favor the mafia at all?

[Caboose]

I read through most of day one. Some interesting things about who to elect and who to kill. I agreed with the top two people as the execution. Both sek and caboose had some good ideas. I think KOC's attack on caboose was weak.

OK.

Umm there should be only 3 mafia they don't rule the game the town does. that is why the idea is poor.

What's your point?

I agree that caboose idea seems more in favor with mafia then town.

No, it does not. Did you not read, or did you not understand what I suggested? I just suggested that we all play a regular game of mafia with slightly different mechanics. How does that favor the mafia at all?

Just so you know I see something and make a commetn about it and continue reading and make points. It the best way I know to read a game that I just replaced in. However sek did have the better idea. I'm not saying it was scummy. I'm just saying that sek's idea was better for the town and yours wasn't. Trying to say scum have an advantage is wrong. Scum should be 3 player to town's 9 players. Town has the advantage.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

I agree that caboose idea seems more in favor with mafia then town.

I thought that you were trying to frame my idea as scummy in this quote.

sekinj's idea fit better with the theme, I can digest that. However, I cannot understand for the life of me why sekinj's idea is better for the town than mine is.
But we're beyond that point in the game, so I don't want to say anything else about it.

Does anyone else besides me find it really suspicious that MafiaSSK would design a weapon that is absurdly powerful?

[Caboose]

Why didn't you bid when you had the chance?

I'd like to know the answer to this from SG and Rest as well as Lord-Hur. I just don't understand what stragey non-bidders were trying to use...

I'd like to know what stratagy Farside was using. I hope she knows that I could knock her out of the game Round 1 without allocating a single point to attacks.

[Caboose]

PHASE I has begun

Voting takes place in the format

Attack X: A
Defend: B
Power Usage: PoY on PlY

X is replaced by a player, you can have as many of these lines as you like
A and B is replaced with a number
PoY is replaced with power name, PlY is replaced by Player this power is going to be used on, you can have as many of these lines as you like

I don't like the fact that farside and mafia have 3 powers and I don't like the fact that mafia made a really powerful weapon, plus his lurking.

Power Usage: Expose Dark Secret on MafiaSSK

[Caboose]

Unusepower

Sorry SSK, you only have 1 power.
But you still invented the most powerful weapon, which is see that Emp is abusing.

Err MafiaSSK has one power, and farside22 has three powers...

That's 3 people who can't read/count, and there are 3 scum, coincidence ?...

I love your BS attack on me.

@Empking: Any reason for attacking Farside?

[Caboose]

Err MafiaSSK has one power, and farside22 has three powers...

That's 3 people who can't read/count, and there are 3 scum, coincidence ?...

I love your BS attack on me.

You didn't think I was serious about this coincidence thing right ?

I honestly thought you were.

[Caboose]

What's with people not saying why they attack ? I think I'm the only one that gave anything resembling a justification...

Attacking in this mini game is like voting, so it should be justified, in my opinion. Unless there's something I don't get...

Well Empking's attack for poor reasoning is suspect. I feel a few people are attacking him for that reason.
I attacked Mafia because I felt he has done little to poor scum hunting. He has said nothing but one liners all game.

That's how SSK always is, though.

Still waiting on explanation from Emp.

[Caboose]

What's with people not saying why they attack ? I think I'm the only one that gave anything resembling a justification...

Attacking in this mini game is like voting, so it should be justified, in my opinion. Unless there's something I don't get...

Well Empking's attack for poor reasoning is suspect. I feel a few people are attacking him for that reason.
I attacked Mafia because I felt he has done little to poor scum hunting. He has said nothing but one liners all game.

That's how SSK always is, though.

Still waiting on explanation from Emp.

The few games I played with SSk he usually was more talkative.

SSK has quite a strange approach to mafia. In one game I played with him, he questioned the cop's sanity AFTER the cop got an innocent on him, and he ended up being a townie.
My only other meta I have from SSK is from an ongoing game, so I really can't talk about it.

[Caboose]

Power Usage: Expose Dark Secret on Empking

For caring that much about his own survival and not scumhunting and attacking someone without explanation.

[Caboose]

@LH - I dont' think it is such a big leap that you were "followed" on the emp wagon. He is the only one to have voted both OP and LBF, plus generaly being very unhelpful to the town. He follows that by trying to stay alive at any cost, and being rude to boot. I know general rudeness and anti-town play is just Emp's style, but I cannot ignore that, no matter the game I am in.

I am 99% sure he is scum.

Sekinj, if you recall Llamafluff from the Fang Tooth Game, you will know why I don't like these kinds of statements.

But I do agree with you in the fact that I think that Emp is scum for the reasons that you stated. And you're just attacking Farside for the sake of attacking. Lame...
Farside, use more than 1 defense point. If Emp is successful in his attacks, he gets 20 energy.

Attack Empking: 55

Defence: 5

[Caboose]

I switched tenses in the second paragraph. In "And you're just attacking Farside for the sake of attacking. Lame... " the you refers to Emp. In the previous sentence, the "you" refers to sekinj.

[Caboose]

I'd assume a normal majority.

Vote: Sekinj

Reasons would be really nice.

@LH and RF: Why do you think sekinj and I are pro-town?

[Caboose]

Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.

Vote: Caboose

Seems like your bussing your buddy there. Doesn't seem like normal town apprecianting.

I want some substantiation behind this accusation.

[Caboose]

Thanks guys I agree with the Caboose theory and of course with the opinions of me. I think Caboose has had good input, and I still don't like the D1 attacks against him.

Vote: Caboose

Seems like your bussing your buddy there. Doesn't seem like normal town apprecianting.

I'm bussing? when we are voting for the most PRO-TOWN???

I think he just accused us of being scumbuddies, sekinj. Nothing makes me more angry than someone coming in and making a baseless, crap attack on me, though. I find it to be extremely scummy that SSK is doing that.

Also, what is "apprecianting"?

[Caboose]

Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...

Not in my eyes. Even if he's scum, he could be bussing too.

I'd like MafiaSSK to expand on his accusation too. I guess every message in favor of another player could be seen as mafia helping each other, but I didn't see this message as especially suspicious. Well, except that sekinj is again following my vote, and last time it lead to a mislynch... Can't really blame him, since I still think my points were valid and he has a brain too, but still...

Not much else besides vibes really.

Seriously? You need more than vibes to put forth a good accusation of sekinj and I. How about something from posts?

[Caboose]

Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...

Not in my eyes. Even if he's scum, he could be bussing too.

I'd like MafiaSSK to expand on his accusation too. I guess every message in favor of another player could be seen as mafia helping each other, but I didn't see this message as especially suspicious. Well, except that sekinj is again following my vote, and last time it lead to a mislynch... Can't really blame him, since I still think my points were valid and he has a brain too, but still...

Not much else besides vibes really.

Seriously? You need more than vibes to put forth a good accusation of sekinj and I. How about something from posts?

Should I underline the part of the post where I got it from? Would that be considrered proof?

I don't care if you highlight the part you where "you got the vibe" with a turd. Just give some evidence instead of a crap attack on me.

[Caboose]

Wow... That seemed like a rather rushed nomination.

Post (hopefully) after Survivor, or tommorow.

It's D3. People already have ideas about who's town and who's scum. Do you?

SSK plays Mafia like guerilla fighters fight a war. He posts an attack and then runs away for a while.

Hmm. I'm happy enough to put Caboose and sekinj through for now - so I'll unsave; save Caboose

So, what changed between Day 1 and now?

[Caboose]

I find it weird that KoC flung some crap attacks at me D1 and then goes to dropping the hammer on me D3.

[Caboose]

I find it weird that KoC flung some crap attacks at me D1 and then goes to dropping the hammer on me D3.

And what would be the point of securing a townie, for scum? (because you will claim townie, right?)

So they can appear as a townie.
(And, yes, I'm town)

The thing is the whole post seemed scummy so it would be useless to underline the whole post.

Lame

[Caboose]

I find it weird that KoC flung some crap attacks at me D1 and then goes to dropping the hammer on me D3.

And what would be the point of securing a townie, for scum? (because you will claim townie, right?)

So they can appear as a townie.
(And, yes, I'm town)

Since (assuming that you're town) the other townies don't know that you're town, the impact of that strategy would be rather limited, no?

Well, think about it. If you were scum (hypothetically), then why would you resist making a townie safe when that townie is probably going to be made safe anyway? It's kind of like a reverse bussing.

The fact that KoC dropped the hammer on me doesn't make me think that he's any less scummy. I'm not sure why you think it does, LH.

[Caboose]

Save lord_hur.

Since I'm now wary of both Sekinj and KoC.

Wary ? Why ?

They seemed in a rush to save Caboose.

I'm taking crap attacks left and right...
Mind explaining this one?

[Caboose]

It's a gut feeling. It just seemed like it was rushed. What more do you wan?

I want something more than a crap attack.

[Caboose]

It's not an attack. It's an observation.

When you accuse me of being scum with sekinj and KoC, that's an attack.

[Caboose]

It's a gut feeling. It just seemed like it was rushed. What more do you wan?

I want something more than a crap attack.

Crap attack ? I'm not so sure... SG's accusation rang a bell, and made me reread Empking's lynch. KoC and sekinj attacked him one right after the other, the third attacker (after me) being none other than Caboose...

I know, Empking was obvious scum and all that, but this is quite a coincidence, don't you think ?

Damn, and these 3 were my top pro-town choices... Voting will be tough, today...

It's a gut feeling. It just seemed like it was rushed. What more do you wan?

I want something more than a crap attack.

Crap attack ? I'm not so sure... SG's accusation rang a bell, and made me reread Empking's lynch

in hopes that I can fling around some unfounded suspicions at some people on his wagon

. KoC and sekinj attacked him one right after the other, the third attacker (after me) being none other than Caboose...

Hopefully nobody recognizes the fact that being on a townie wagon is not a scumtell and that I'm using crap logic to try to cast some suspicion onto Caboose and sekinj to get people to second guess themselves.

I know, Empking was obvious scum and

Caboose had a good reason for attacking Empking

, but this is quite a

way to get people to ignore Caboose thinking that he's obvscum

, don't you think ?

Damn, and

Caboose already got cleared so we don't get to mislynch him. I guess we can still go after sekinj. Getting a mislynch

will be tough, today...

[Caboose]

Unfounded suspicions ? Are you claiming that you know they are unfounded ? Anyway, this is a crap attack.

Being on a townie wagon=/=scumtell
The foundation to your argument just vanished.

This is your opinion. Unless you can prove me that it is a widely accepted opinion, then it can be a proper defense.

It's my opinion that I've formed through experience. Do you have an alternate one? If so, please share.

Crap logic is logical fallacy. I showed a fact, nothing more.

You showed a fact that was setting me up to be attacked.

This is the only thing making sense, and should have constituted your only defense. What was this reason ?

Lurking, the self survival comment, which I find to be legitimately scummy.

Since it seems you need to learn what crap attack is, this is it. An attack not based on any fact or reasoning.

I find that people who make crap attacks often flip scum. So no, my attack is not a crap attack but I point out that SG, SSK, and you are trying to attack me for something that's not a scumtell or not even scummy.

Why are you only talking about sekinj, and not KoC ? Because he is the only one you have to defend ?

If sekinj is scum, then she's playing a really good game right now because I don't see anything scummy about her play. KoC, on the other hand, has made some scummy moves Day 1, which includes attacking me for something not scummy.

Caboose, why do you seem so hostile?

What do you want me to say? When I'm being attacked for something that's not a scumtell it makes me mad.

[Caboose]

If Caboose was mafia, the game would be over.

No it wouldn't.

That self vote doesn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

[Caboose]

Caboose:

Most of the quotes are in other sections of this post. However,

I find it odd how hostile he is being by my and hur's comments on page 25, even though he is safe.

Seriously? Is this it? And I get labelled because of this? Being defensive =/= scumtell. You should know this by now, SG.

Clear dislike for Sekinj and Caboose, and killing him off in the first night would be much too obvious - however, they both pile on a total of 120 attack on him on day two, ensuring he doesn't make it to the next round.

LOL. This has to be the clumsiest attempt at vote meta that I've ever seen.

You are another player who has been perceived to be pro-town and throwing support for sekinj would possibly get people to vote along with her on RF.

Read my posts before just spouting random stuff and say things that are, you know, true. I have no support for the RF camp right now and I don't have any support for the sekinj one either. Yet you try to frame me like I do.

Here's who I think the scumteam is:

SG - SSK - KoC

All three of them have made blatant crap attacks on me in the course of this game. KoC's came D1 when he tried to frame my organization idea as scummy. That's called strawmanning and that

is

a scumtell. SSK makes a crap attack on me, myseriously disappears and then lurks, only posting to make sure he's not prodded. SG's accusations are a joke. She tries to make defensiveness into a scumtell and then gives all this crappy vote meta to try to frame me. Did the idea that maybe the scumteam sat back and watched us screw up cross her mind at all? That leads to WIFOM, which is why raw vote meta is crap, and that's the basis of her labelling.

[Caboose]

That's what makes all scum? That's your only connection?

Yes, and it's better than all the "connections" that you clumsily made.

What do I have to gain at the moment from making a case against you when you're already saved?

Trying to crack out the WIFOM?
The thing you have to gain most is to frame me as scum to make everyone ignore me and start second guessing themselves.

[Caboose]

Alright, you want to play WIFOM, let's play.

Since Emp was acting scummy yesterday, all you had to do was sit back and watch Emp get lynched and then attack the people on Emp's bandwagon the next day because they were on the wagon for Emp's lynch. Sound like the good old "I told you so" statement. Pretty good scum tactic if you ask me.

Wrong =/= scum. Being on the wagon for a townie lynch is not in and of itself a scumtell. But attacking others for being on a townie lynch wagon is more of a scumtell. And since most of us don't know sekinj's alignment, being on her wagon is a nulltell, unless you have some extra info.

I'm quite annoyed at you labelling me, especially since I did nothing wrong. You're reaching for a mislynch today by misrepresenting my stance on RF, by trying to warp defensiveness into a scumtell, and by trying to warp being on a townie wagon into a scumtell.

I remember Tovarish/farside in the beginning of the game defended me on D1. Farside also called Empking out on D2. Farside turned up town. I want you to explain that one.

[Caboose]

I'm

still

waiting for SG to put some reality into her arguements.

[Caboose]

Consider yourself no longer even at the bottom of my save-list. Consider yourself lying scum, lying scum.

This I consider scummy. I don't know why but I just do.

Fos:KoC

SSK, I don't think I've ever seen you play as erratically as this.
I would narrow the field to SSK and SG.

[Caboose]

Save: lord_hur

Caboose, how has SSK been playing more erraticly then usual?

SSK is usually really mysterious. Now, he's throwing around cumbersome accusations, which doens't really sit well with me because I've never seen him do that before.

sekinj and RF, I suggest that both of you use your vote a little bit more conservatively.

[Caboose]

I'm actually pretty convinced that SSK is scum.

Save: ShadowGirl

[Caboose]

I think SGscum wouldn't bus because it would look obvious.

What do you mean?

Mod, could we please see who's saved and who's not?

Unsave

@LH: SSK usually makes half-hearted crap attacks and then backs off. This game, he hasn't done so.

[Caboose]

Any reason as to why you're taking back your save?

It would be kind of nice to see what my options are. I was under the perception before that it was down to you and SSK.

[Caboose]

I'm getting less scum read on SG, more on SSK.

By the way, where did RF disappear to?

[Caboose]

I was positive SSK was scum.