mystery box of silver 10. (done)

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Give me til tomorrow please

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our faction was not town/town aligned. You should have been shooting a50's faction.

Now y’all can see why Mastina was killed

Yes those reasons were valid but I thought all 6 were town aligned 3P.

I didn’t read up to mod confirmed A50 hood

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So that’s kinda why I wanted it brought up but all y’all did a good job gg

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our faction was not town/town aligned. You should have been shooting a50's faction.

You are not town, true.

But your faction's win condition is very pro-town. You have reason to actively scum-hunt, your abilities give you points by being used to find scum abilities, you have a much larger chance of surviving to end-game if you eliminate scum than if you wait for scum to win, etc. etc. etc.

Yup.

Titus hood was town++ with a 3P label. No incentive to scumside
A50 hood was town by another name.
Then scum all vanilla.

Only way viable is King’s commander

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Sorry if i spammed too much lol.

You didn’t.

Good catch on the tone. It was right when my wincon changed. I thought you or Bell traitor cause of it.

Like the fact 3P more informed than group scum is kinda wtf.

If I knew 3P claiming wasn’t an option instead of just no scum win con I just do town doc claim. Then not Suicide being stubborn *sigh*

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1. This is mafia, you don't know what is for in-game advantage or not. The fact that they posted it inside a mafia thread, instead of expressing something to the moderator privately, leaves the door wide open for it to have been part of their posting strategy. Especially because they never once posted about the game itself.

2. The language is objectively unharmful and inoffensive. It's been used countless times and no one here is truly offended by it. The only harm done was by the people pretending to be offended by it, as that had a casualty (EchoVision).

3. None of that even matters, because it should have been a policy before the game started, not mid-game.

1. This is exactly what I think you need to reevaluate. If someone writes a post telling another user that they’re making them uncomfortable because of harassment, should we be analyzing that for the sake of the game? If a user says that their mom just passed away, should we shed doubt on that because they could be using a strategy? This is just a game and we have things that are more important to us than playing.

2. The word is clearly harmful to some people. You might not have a reaction to it but at this point it even pops out of the screen at me a little, now that I’ve really thought about the connotations of the word. Please don’t speak for the experience of others, you grandparents may not have lived in the jim crow south and been threatened by real life lynchings but others users may have that experience.

3. This we can agree on, and if you wanted to replace out because the rules changed midgame i really have no issue with that. You have every right to like using the word if you want, it’s not site policy. It just doesn’t make it any less insensitive.

I debated subbing out when my wincon changed then decided against it and tough it out and use it to figure out more tools to add to my toolbox. When games are likely unwinnable I try everything to learn how to do it better. Eg as town or scum I almost never fake claim. Time to practice that.

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gg. the setup was fun despite being pretty townsided. even with near perfect nightplay, and decent dayplay, we had little hope of actually winning. there were too many guaranteed deaths due to the public cop thing for us to have much chance. i think we did make some plays that made it difficult for us long-term though. thanks all for playing, and thanks schadd for modding.

no issues from me with PTs being released as is.

Slept on it and I am okay with hood being released.

The jjh shot was really freakin epic. Well done again.

Gg all

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Tbh, you would have been better off taking Bell's approach and not fakeclaiming here but just stubbornly not suiciding. It would have been better to paint suiciding as which mouse puts the bell on the cat scenario (no pun intended). There was no fake claim that really worked.

If you stuck with town, you couldn't be anti suicide (see above for your best move).

If you claimed 3p, there were a litany of posts to grill you with. I was just starting to when you cracked and conceded.

Yeah.

Knowing what I know now that was best.

I literally didn’t know anything about the setup though.

So I made a gamble to stop you from hooding Chemist and it failed.

It was also when I thought A50’s hood was siding with us. If he wasn’t it wouldn’t really matter as I lacked enough Charisma bank to win against Bell.

I really needed Bell to be in the hood and not Suicide.

The fact he fake claimed traitor when it wasn’t possible fucked me.

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Once our wincon changed midgame I got really salty and demoralized. I set up my plays towards a wincon and emotional bank that way. It is difficult nigh on impossible to switch. I plant suggestions that are supposed to take fruit hours or days later. It’s super difficult to just change it.

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That’s why you can’t ever change a win con mid game even if it’s the world’s biggest oopsie

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:O: @Mena's reads in the dead thread. Aside from MM, we did everything you said we should, and that's probably why it took us so long to win.

(Seriously though, this probably means the people you were SRing were playing sub-optimally, and it makes me feel better about nuking ddl)

Thanks A50!

Yeah, I was just so convinced that MM was scum for lying about how D1 and the gamma wagon went down I guess as BM was town he genuinely did think what he was saying? But it just seemed like a totally warped perception of reality to me at the time (and still sorta does)

I was also lowkey trying to front a PR there to fuck with scum

You were shot because Gamma said to in thread.

I read up to there iirc.

I forget if any other reasons existed.

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Your wincon didn't really change. Schadd just did a poor job wording it and then clarified. Or maybe it did change and that was just an excuse. Though I believe the former b/c I felt like some of our wording was a lil' meh and in the future, Schadd should try to catch himself.

No. The wincon said parity with town.

This means no 3P masons or Titus hood. They were not town.

Wincons are extremely literal. I wish there was an edit history.

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sorry your wincon should say "parity among town-aligned players"

Uhm a little late to say that bud. Been playing this whole time as if Titus etc didn’t have to be killed.

Well fuck.

We just went from almost win to screwed.

sorry. this was the way the game was balanced at the outset and certain other players have the understanding that is how it would proceed. to clarify things for you, though, i will let you know that there are two other segments of non-town, one of which does not count toward your wincondition and one that does

Glad you’re happy I was scum Nero.

So Mastina flipping Green made me think she was town and A50 was hood siding with us.

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Tbh, you would have been better off taking Bell's approach and not fakeclaiming here but just stubbornly not suiciding. It would have been better to paint suiciding as which mouse puts the bell on the cat scenario (no pun intended). There was no fake claim that really worked.

If you stuck with town, you couldn't be anti suicide (see above for your best move).

If you claimed 3p, there were a litany of posts to grill you with. I was just starting to when you cracked and conceded.

Yeah.

Knowing what I know now that was best.

I literally didn’t know anything about the setup though.

So I made a gamble to stop you from hooding Chemist and it failed.

It was also when I thought A50’s hood was siding with us. If he wasn’t it wouldn’t really matter as I lacked enough Charisma bank to win against Bell.

I really needed Bell to be in the hood and not Suicide.

The fact he fake claimed traitor when it wasn’t possible fucked me.

Bell didn't claim traitor.
I mentioned like 100 times, it was modconfirmed 5 scum.

To your credit though, I was the one who wanted to hood Chemist to have him fail. Nero wanted shelly to die.

You claimed 5 army. Not 5 scum. And bell did 100% claim traitor last day.

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sorry your wincon should say "parity among town-aligned players"

Uhm a little late to say that bud. Been playing this whole time as if Titus etc didn’t have to be killed.

Well fuck.

We just went from almost win to screwed.

sorry. this was the way the game was balanced at the outset and certain other players have the understanding that is how it would proceed. to clarify things for you, though, i will let you know that there are two other segments of non-town, one of which does not count toward your wincondition and one that does

Glad you’re happy I was scum Nero.

So Mastina flipping Green made me think she was town and A50 was hood siding with us.

So our claimed wincons had nothing to do with this choice?

Town+ typically can be gated by points or events.

A50 did not claim any additional win cons and the fact they claimed grey flip made me think neut combined with your green flip.

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Tbh, you would have been better off taking Bell's approach and not fakeclaiming here but just stubbornly not suiciding. It would have been better to paint suiciding as which mouse puts the bell on the cat scenario (no pun intended). There was no fake claim that really worked.

If you stuck with town, you couldn't be anti suicide (see above for your best move).

If you claimed 3p, there were a litany of posts to grill you with. I was just starting to when you cracked and conceded.

Yeah.

Knowing what I know now that was best.

I literally didn’t know anything about the setup though.

So I made a gamble to stop you from hooding Chemist and it failed.

It was also when I thought A50’s hood was siding with us. If he wasn’t it wouldn’t really matter as I lacked enough Charisma bank to win against Bell.

I really needed Bell to be in the hood and not Suicide.

The fact he fake claimed traitor when it wasn’t possible fucked me.

Bell didn't claim traitor.
I mentioned like 100 times, it was modconfirmed 5 scum.

To your credit though, I was the one who wanted to hood Chemist to have him fail. Nero wanted shelly to die.

You claimed 5 army. Not 5 scum. And bell did 100% claim traitor last day.

We claimed no other scum could exist. That's why A50 crew was conftown to us.

Yes you did.

But neut isn’t scum. You’re a hyper literal player Titus and so is Mastina.

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And you can lie.

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GG Math. I'm off to DnD now. It was close.

So basically, don't trust Titus lol.

We can talk more later if you want but this game was close than it seemed.

I wanted Shelly to blow up b/c I was under the mistaken reasoning we needed the point for someone to sacrifice. I think b/c I was worried most of the game that we might miss the 2 points from all scum elims/only 2 max town elims and I guess I had been saying that so much that I came to believe it even when we didn't.

I wish you had.

But yeah this was close.

I kinda wanna move on from this game because I kinda feel it was bastard. But maybe that’s just because of what I saw.

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Imho no.
Scum by premise are the informed minority.

Titus Mastina and Nero’s hood were the informed minority.
I get scum won’t have all the information but literally telling 3P the entire setup is bad.

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Likely the mod.

We were told D1 there would be a list of names (not who would we on it), and we could repeat freely from said list.

Not sure why or how it was just one name.

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Did mod randomly pick someone to be confirmed town?

Far as I know.

All it says is a list and we weren’t allowed to pick day one.

No one claimed it so I guess?

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Nope it was Titus’s hood D1 in the mod PT

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Read the mod thread/ Society provided 3 names for the first list. If they had picked at least one scum it would have been like the following lists. Since they picked 3 town players, nod randomly picked one to confirm as not scum.

This should not be a thing as if Titus crew really thought about it that confirms all three as town.

Should be a randomly generated list.

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Someone should never be conf town or scum before play. If they fuck up it’s their own fault but unless it’s openly announced a player will be conf d1 that is a bad setup sec

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Someone should never be conf town or scum before play. If they fuck up it’s their own fault but unless it’s openly announced a player will be conf d1 that is a bad setup sec

It was on D2

Sorry memory was bad. Blurred events together

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I thought it was townsided, quelle surprise

I would have removed the masons and given scum 2 more members, and ditched the HPJS public cop thing in favour of a randomised IC on D2

unless you also remove the whole hpjs don't count for parity thing this would be like
ridiculously scumsided

Uhm what?

You’re saying the game as is was scum sided? When we had to cop ourselves and had one PR?
Against infinite cop, motion detect, mason hoods, 3 regular masons, mason granting tracker, and an odd night Vig? Wtf?

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Well 1.1 PRs.

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Technically not a masonry

Lmao

Fine 3P hood that has to win with town
And 3P hood that could in theory scumside but in practice can’t and flips fuckin green to deceive the scum team.

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Oh yeah 7 3P v 11 town and 5 scum is ridiculously townsided.
But if “masons” are removed then it’s 18 town v 5 scum

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18/5 is a pretty normal setup up

16 - D2
14 - D3
12 - D4
Allows for 3 proper mislynches before elo. Ideally imho it’s scum - 1 in low power games.

I would give town a PR or two to balance that.

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Well in practice a 1 shot alien isn't going to do crap when only two powers can be blocked.

World is ending Titus and I agree on setup spec lolz