Mini 660 - Star Trek: DS9 Mafia (Ruined = Over)

[sekinj]

hey guys! this should be cool.

[sekinj]

Personally, Voyager is my favorite, but i too could not pass up a DS9 mafia

[sekinj]

To make you discuss something a bit more relevant than what someone said in klingon or whatever.

I think klingon is completely relevant in this mafia

[sekinj]

I was prodded and totally didn't realize this game started....
0.o

That said:
Insert obligatory random vote here...

And as for the current happenings:
At this point, it is easy enough to suggest that the use of the klingon language is completely irrelevant at this point. It was much to obvious to everyone for it to be a strong klingon and might be for the theme.... or it could be important... I *really* don't know...

Anyway, to answer the question asked:
I said, "in for next" and it happened to be this game. So, I am pretty much clueless on the whole Star Trek franchise. (I know what a klingon is, and that is about it.)

Anyway *pokes mod* sorry mod!

Terrible. F. I hope you go through the wormhole and get lost in the gamma quadrant.

[sekinj]

Me! Me! Me!!

I don't know that I'll be very good though (subtly hints at character).

[sekinj]

vam ghaH pegh ngeHta' vo'

[sekinj]

only those for whom the message is meant shall be able to translate it.

[sekinj]

I'll claim! I like claiming... well, nevermind, that always gets me lynched because no one believes me

[sekinj]

I agree that Jebus comes over at scummy and one can say that could've been newbie mistakes, but as he/she says that he/she isn't a newbie...dunno

I still feel that Zone's "You have dishonored your family." is scummy.
Firstly because it was in klingon, secondly, it may have reference to his character of which i probably don't know about since i havent seen much of the series.
thirdly, it just sounds scummy to me.

that is just as scummy as saying, "Today is a good day to die", as in, not very.

[sekinj]

The two biggest wagons are Tim and Jeb. I was going to vote for Jeb, but I looked back at his post in isolation, and really didn't see much scummishness. I looked back at Tim's though and I see some patterns (it is very early, so this may be premature).

Tim has posted a lot, but most of his posts lack any type of content, even his lastest ones. By page 5 we should start having from content (his changlings post is the exception). There is also a lot of coaching (Posts 7,9,20), asking questions without providing his own opinion (Post 17), and agreeing with others without much explanation (Post 19). These are his non-content posts: 1-6, first part of 8, 11-14, 16, 18.

He is also using buddying / non-offensive phrasology alot. examples: "I could be wrong, fo sho" (post 21) and "if that makes any sense" (post 22).

Also his comment on his Jebus vote was "Let's see where this goes" (post 9).

for those reasons -

Vote: Timeater

[sekinj]

I agree that Jebus comes over at scummy and one can say that could've been newbie mistakes, but as he/she says that he/she isn't a newbie...dunno

I still feel that Zone's "You have dishonored your family." is scummy.
Firstly because it was in klingon, secondly, it may have reference to his character of which i probably don't know about since i havent seen much of the series.
thirdly, it just sounds scummy to me.

that is just as scummy as saying, "Today is a good day to die", as in, not very.

don't discard the idea as nothing just because it doesn't mean anything this moment/day/time

I think you don't know what you are talking about. zone saying a cliche klingon quote is not scummy no matter the moment day or time.

also, why would you only look at the two biggest bandwagons? both of them are mostly based on random votes. Zoneace votes for Jebus with reason, Nudude doesn't see a reason to remove his vote from Jebus.

because I agree that those two seem the most scummy so far.

[sekinj]

@tim: don't talk to me about post count when half your posts are "UGHHhh" and other useless one liners.

I don't have to know you or your playstyle to be suspicious of you or not. If you would like me to consider meta evidence, please provide links.

and you can keep your notes to yourself next time.

[sekinj]

This is mafia, not playschool. get over it. If you want nice, join a newbie game.

[sekinj]

Oh my goodness. I suddenly agree. Let's lynch Jebus, just to get him out of the game. First it's the nub card, now it's personal attacks, next he will be voting for himself.

[sekinj]

Jebus: Your play is making it very easy for me to vote for you. Personal attacks have no place in mafia.

Personal attacks aren't part of my play. They spontaneously occur when someone is pissing me off, and it takes

a lot

to piss me off. I only make such comments on these rare occasions.

You can't defend your personal attack by saying you don't do personal attacks.

[sekinj]

I think everyone's on vaca.

[sekinj]

It looks like Jebus is the only play anyone is willing to make today. I agree that the game will be better without him whether or not he is scum (which I am unsure about).

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

[sekinj]

EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote: Jebus

[sekinj]

Hm... Sekinj, while I do agree that jeebus is fairly scummy, I am just a little worried about your opinion that the loss of a townie is ultimately good for town.. *Granted... he has been scummy, but that thought process is just suspicious...*

*Waits for Jeebus to claim, and again, I know nothing of Star Trek, please tell me if claim seems really stupid, cause I think I would buy virtually anything.*

I will always be willing to vote for a townie who is distracting the town. If there is a scummy player, that i persoanlly don't believe is scum, but the deadline is approaching, and no other wagons gain ground, I will switch my vote in order to avoid a no lynch, and get rid of the town distraction. Even if I don't think the person is scum, I know that the player will get in the way of finding real scum.

[sekinj]

I am satisfied with Jebus's claim. The only way Vic could be scum is in the alternate universe, which is a stretch.

the thing about leaving the holosuite is dumb. my role certainly has no indication that the areas that existed in DS9 are active or in use here. We are using the characters, not necessarily the actual space station. Does anyone have anything in their role or flavor that would indicate we ARE using real rooms and areas and physical things relating to the station?? nothing in my PM would indicate that.

[sekinj]

EBWOP:

unvote: Jebus

[sekinj]

Yes, yes, of course it is on the station. But is it any more detailed than that? are you confined to certain areas? are any areas even mentioned??

[sekinj]

@ZONE: MY POINT IS THAT NO AREAS ARE EVEN MENTIONED SO YOUR POINT IS NULL.

and for those of us who can communicate normally: it doesn't matter that Vic is only in the holosuites in the series, since no areas are even mentioned in any of our PMs (please speak up if yours is otherwise), it seems that no one is confined to any areas at all. In other words, no areas seem to actually exist in our current situation.

[sekinj]

Anyway, like I said. After realizing the amount of main recurring characters, and the probable amount of scum, I think its unlikely that delibird would include Vic in the town lineup (unless he has a hardon for vic, hey). Also, if you take into account the amount of other cooler and more popular minor recurring characters (Nog, Rom, Garak, etc) I just dont see Vic factoring into a mini-game. So thats my reason for staying with the Jebus vote, just to pound it home.

I disagree. I think that is it likely that delibird has intentionally picked the more obscure characters.

[sekinj]

i don't know that I believe that. too convienent. He hasn'teven been pressured into claiming.

[sekinj]

Wait, so would Martok be a town-aligned person, or scum aligned?

I say let's lynch all the non-DS9ers. I'm tired of silly questions like this.

[sekinj]

i was bored.

@zone: well, you will be even more bored when you are lynched for claiming too early.

I don't like zone's soft claim AT ALL. No one was pressuring him. Either he is scum trying to buy a free ticket for a couple days, or he is playing town very poorly. Claiming this DOES NOT help the town.
I believe so far, he is the best play for today.

Vote: ZONEFACE

[sekinj]

and you're wrong

Thank you, Zone, for proving my point so well. You really DO go out of your way to help the town, don't you??

[sekinj]

[8] Leave any grudges at the door. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

[sekinj]

really, you can't take being called an ass?


wow.


just, wow.


I'm sorry, i'm take better care to not step on the itty bitty babies toes.

whether I can take it or not, it is not appropriate for this game.

[sekinj]

well, zone is certainly playing a kinglon convincingly...

[sekinj]

Agree. Will unvote to see the day-vig in action.

Unvote

[sekinj]

haha, that was really cool.

So... I guess they both claimed accurately, and given the nature of Zone's power I can understand why it's not a big deal for him to have claimed early. He does in fact, have to claim in order to use his power (or if he didn't necessarily claim, it would just be revealed anyway when he used his power).

I guess frelaras looks pretty dumb right now...

[sekinj]

I tried to explain to pie that that was just a klingon saying, but he didn't pay attention.

[sekinj]

Martok challenged him in honourable combat.

mod: how many to lynch?

Since we don't have much else to go on, I like the pressure votes, i just don't want to over do it and accidentally lynch.

[sekinj]

hi farside... what is this 3 games with you??

[sekinj]

well, now we are less one annoying newbie, and have one confirmed federation.

[sekinj]

Oh, and we lost our tracker...

[sekinj]

I currently like Time's case against Liam. I want to add the quote below:

Wait, so would Martok be a town-aligned person, or scum aligned?

I say let's lynch all the non-DS9ers. I'm tired of silly questions like this.

Hoping this is a joke.

I just think it is suspicious how he brings it up, not making anything of it himself, almost hopping someone else will jump on it for him.

[sekinj]

I'll go ahead and put my money (aka vote) where my mouth is.

Vote: Liam

[sekinj]

*calls laim lurker*

[sekinj]

Oh, I'm getting this out of the way now: I'm Quark.

since you hadn't posted in forever, your sig was several pages back.

[sekinj]

grr *gets frustrated*

first of all @m4y: you can look at the post all you want in hind-sight and be as self righteous as you want, but personally, If my vote is doing nothing, I will probably move it to another candidate in order to progress the game. Or shoudl I have just lurked and added nothing substantial?
Also you said, "I've seen scum who can look like town roles in theme game before." I want to add that it is a possibility to also have town roles that look like scum.

and @time: How am I a follower when I made a case against you before anyone else voiced any suspicion? Yeah, no one went for it at the time, but Instead of twiddling my thumbs I moved on. that doesn't mean I'm not still suspicious of you.
Also, some players claiming minor characters doesn't rule out other players being minor characters. CDB may have picked ALL minor character and skipped the obv ones.
AND, I am a she...

@far: I have no problem with your posting style. as logn as you include the post numbers you are golden in my book. I think quoting every single post make unnecessarily long, boring and hard to read posts. I'd rather open up two windows and read the references in context. now about your comments:
post 71: that was early in the game, i see no problem with having fun, expecially becauase we have dragged at times...
Post 118: How am I not looking at everyone when i made a case on time? no one else was voting him.
Post 124: I was once called a townie with a heart of stone, I'm just tryign to live up to that...
Post 234: if you signed up or confirmed to play DS9 mafia, I would prefer if you knew what you were talking about. I don't have much patience for those who don't. I'm just asking for basic story line here, not hard core stuff like td and time were debating. For example: If I say "Quark's" please know it is a bar. I don't think you will be effective at this themed mafia otherwise.

[sekinj]

edwop: err lynching all NON-ds9'ers

What I meant by that post, was let's lynch everyone who isn't familiar with the series. it would solve problems... but I was only half serious. really, people, do you know what google is? instead of looking like an idiot for signing up in a ds9 mafia game, when you don't even know what 'ds9' stands for, do a little background work and at least come up to speed on the people and places we are referencing. instead of just asking in thread, "what's a wormhole?"

yeah yeah, I know I'm

so

mean. at least you guys don't have to knwo me in rl

[sekinj]

Vote: Sekinj

For various reasons, some being apart of m4yhem's arguement.

great. and the rest?

[sekinj]

first of all @m4y: you can look at the post all you want in hind-sight and be as self righteous as you want, but personally, If my vote is doing nothing, I will probably move it to another candidate in order to progress the game. Or shoudl I have just lurked and added nothing substantial?

I wasn’t being ‘self-righteous’ actually- once a townie dies I always go back and look who voted for them (and why) even if I was on their bandwagon myself.

The main problem with you saying you were trying to progress the game is this- you weren’t under deadline, conversation hadn’t exactly stalled and it was pretty early in the day; I don’t feel like you

needed

to vote for Jebus, who was already under pressure.
If you really didn’t think Jebus was scum, you didn’t have to either lurk or bandwagon- you could have tried to change the focus of the game by asking people questions, doing analysis of other players, pointing out the case against your own choice for lynch again; instead, you chose the path of least resistance.

Again, I must point out that you were not playing the game at the time. Maybe you can look at the date stamps and determine that YOU would not have been restless, but we really can't ever know that, since you were not playing. As it is you can pass judgement on my play and paint it to look like I was following, which is not the case at all. In MY estimation conversation HAD stalled. So I moved my vote to my second suspect. how scummy is that? your right, maybe I should have just re-posted my time case.

[sekinj]

@Light: Weyoun is usually with the dominion, but there is an episode where he turns traitor to them and works for Odo. So, I can see how he could be a godfather role as suggested.

It sure was a shame when Weyoun died in that transporter accident.

[sekinj]

@Light - off subject, I have to mention how warm and fuzzy it makes me feel to see myself in your sig I can't even remember who I said that too, but I remember they were being very stupid.

[sekinj]

I did a quick read of most of the players in isolation. Here is what I found; this is roughly listed scum to town:

frelaras

– top of my current scum list
Post 4: possible coaching
Post 5: false dilemma
Post 8 and 9: still going after zone until zone’s day-vig was confirmed. Does not seem necessary. Why continue to attack rather just wait to see if the day-vig is confirmed?
Post 10: defends actions by saying it could have been a gambit… still seems scummy to have continued attack against zone rather than just waiting a small amount of time to see if the mod confirmed actions.
Post 12: Seems to be going after Liam regardless of Quark claim… I understand fre was just trying to make a point, but why pressure a player if you believe their claim?
Post 13: major appeal to town (which i find scummy)
Post 14: agrees with me against Mayhem regarding my votes… actually feels like buddying.

M4yhem

– didn’t see anything on fire and manu (processors) as they just posted mainly about not being able to post. Seems to be setting up suspicion on several players in his Post 0. on Liam, he sets it up so he can go either way. Also, his case on me is started with one post regarding jebus? Seems like there are much better cases out there. He then comes back later with more “evidence”.
--and no, I don't think a sekinj lynch would be good for the town.

Timeater

– had to wade through lots of fluff posts…
Post 22: this is where he seems to take Liam’s changling thing too far. Says Liam was trying to breed paranoia, which didn’t seems to be the case after reading Liam in isolation.
Post 51: I mentioned this before, but I don’t believe that just because the claims so far have been minor character, subsequent claims could very well be more minor characters.
I also don’ t believe that voting people to pressure them works at all. Especially if you make it public that you are only voting them to pressure them… they can read and see that, therefore, they feel no pressure. Also… if they are not even reading the thread at all, it’s not going to do any good to “pressure” them with a vote.
Other than that has been encouraging td by arguing series semantics.
Vote for me in Post 79 still seems to have come out of no-where. Not sure why he thinks that he should be exempt from explaining his votes.
--Oh and, sorry I’m afraid you’ll have to do a little homework in order to follow my arguments.. but that should be such a big deal since this is your only game… you apparently have enough time to make tons of non-contect posts, so I would think that you would have the time to look at everyone in isolation to see what I’m talking about…

Ozymandius

– not a good read, more posting necessary!!!

CallMeLiam

– Maybe his shape-shifters comment has been taken too dramatically. After my re-read I took it more like he was suggesting the possibility, but not saying everyone had to be changeling. I think Time took it a little too far and then Laim defended. @Laim: care to comment on that?
Post 8 – this is a very strong stance. I can’t fault it for being scummy, but I do believe, that given the claims and confirmed roles we already have it seems pretty clear that the mod is quite a DS9 fan and it keeping things pretty literal with the show.

(this also leads me to believe that those players who do not know the show are at a distinct dis-advantage)

Light-kun

– what caused your difference of opinion from Post 9 to Post 12? Otherwise has has some fairly good thoughts, especially lately as he seems to be getting more familiar with DS9.

farside22

– pushes for scum list… some people don’t like this but far seems to want it in all her games. I believe it is a good way to see where everyone’s thoughts are. Good starting comments on people. Once against seems very town to me

Nudude

– barely any posting. None in the last 10 days…

@Mod: plans for a prod/replacement?

td

- no read, has mostly argued series semantics and theory

ZONEACE

– day-vig has confirmed him so far


I think there is a frelaras/mayhem scum team based on the coaching and distancing seen in fre’s posts 4 and 14.

vote: frelaras

[sekinj]

Sekinj: Who do you think frelaras was "coaching?" A. Mana-ku. Who replaced mana? M4yhem...

I can't tell if you were actually asking this or just point it out... but yeah, that was kind of the idea.

I like your point about mayhem not being willing to answer far's question yet claiming his read on my actions at the time were completely on track.


and... ps... I am female... not sure why I always need to point that out...

[sekinj]

Sorry, if I forget, it is just easier to assume the male tense...since every language's default is masculine really, no offense. People have called me female, but I ignore it... *is not bothered by that in the anonymity of the internet.*
And yes, I was asking because you failed to point out that little piece of relevance.

I only think it is odd since my gender is displayed with every post. it's not a big deal though.

but yes, that is what I meant by coaching in fre's Post 4. he is coaching his scum partner manu who has turned into may. that is one of the main things that led me to believe in their scum team.

[sekinj]

It irritates me when female players bring attention to the fact that they're female. Its like so what? Sorry the male-tense means basically the same thing as a universal-tense ( e.g first man on the moon, etc). Does you being a pretty pink little girlie girl have anything to do about anything related to mafia? No, it doesn't. *rage*

...already said it wasn't a big deal.. don't get your panties in a wad...

[sekinj]

Alright... First, a bit of a request. You're citing my posts by the number I've made. This is completely not helpful for actually tracking down references. Please cite the actual post number so I can search it up if you're not going to do actual links.

Can you not just look at your posts in isolation? is it really that difficult? If I wanted to be not helpful, I just wouldn't have provided any reference.

[sekinj]

unvote, vote: senkinj

Yes, the way you laid out your big post was unhelpful, and I dislike your case on Frelaras a lot.

Great reasoning there. So you are voting me because you don't like how I post cases? oh, and because the case was bad... glad you added that in. maybe some specifics?

[sekinj]

Any response to my post, sekinj?

Ummm... I disagree?

[sekinj]

Not really sure what you want here...

Seems to be setting up suspicion on several players in his Post 0.

That’s what you do when you scumhunt, you tell people who you are suspicious of and why. I know you know this, since you just produced your own list.

I could just as easily say you are ‘setting up a lynch’ on Frelaras and then on me if he flips scum.

except I focused instead of spreading blame

on Liam, he sets it up so he can go either way.

I don’t agree. I was against the bandwagon on Liam and I made that clear.

in post 0 you didn't. you set it up so you could at least come back later and say you were supicious.

Also, his case on me is started with one post regarding jebus? Seems like there are much better cases out there.

One slip up by scum is usually all you get and it’s all I need to suspect you. As for ‘better cases’, well, you would say that, wouldn’t you?

yes I would, because it's true.

I think there is a frelaras/mayhem scum team based on the coaching and distancing seen in fre’s posts 4 and 14.

Mana asked a question and Frelaras answered it. I don’t call that coaching, I call that a complete non-event. Answering questions isn’t scummy, it’s polite.

I think it looks like coaching a scum buddy.

As for the distancing...whatever. He disagreed with me. People disagree all the time, it doesn’t make them buddies.

It looked like distancing instead of just regular disagreeing.

It seems like you are really stretching to link me with someone at least one other person finds suspicious.

You would say that woudln't you, but you'd be wrong.

Post 3: "Just because I wasn't playing doesn't make my opinion invalid." Yes, and why not apply this to Farside's question since YOU know more about it than anyone.

Because it requires me to mind-read. I don’t know what was going on in Mana-kun’s mind, I only know her role and there is nothing in her role to prevent her posting content.

Yet you are trying to mind-read me, even after I told you my intentions you just blatantly ignored that. I'm not saying you shoudl trust my version because I say so, I'm saying that if you can't mind read Man, whose role you took over, what makes you think you knew all about what was happening with my comments?

M4y seems a little worried about townie/scum speculation from outside sources such as meta or replacement request value of his/her predecessors. (Slightly scummy)

And? I explained my reasoning; I don’t think it’s wise to assume replacements are cleared just because they are replacements.
I don’t think I said anything about metas. Personally, I have nothing against metahunting.

I agree that scum replace just as often as town. Light will have to comment to say what exactly he thought was scummy.

Post 4: Wonders why I withhold my suspects... well, maybe because they happened to not be under suspicion, so telling them that would ruin it? (Again, kind of kidding.) this post doesn't scream town or scum... (neither)

Did you ever explain why you are withholding them? Because it still seems scummy to me. I don’t see why the town benefits from you hiding what you think, and it seems like it could be a setup- for example, if you see a bandwagon you want to join, you could just say ‘oh yeah, that guy has been one of my suspects for ages’ and noone could contradict you.

light already said it was null...

Post 5: Contentless post. Just what we all need.

Give me a break. At least I posted that day.

congrats

I don’t like how quickly you agreed with Sekinj, how wishy-washy your post was, or how you are trying to set me up if Frelasa flips scum.

Fos:Lightkun

for that reason.

again... you wouldn't, would you?

It irritates me when female players bring attention to the fact that they're female. Its like so what? Sorry the male-tense means basically the same thing as a universal-tense ( e.g first man on the moon, etc). Does you being a pretty pink little girlie girl have anything to do about anything related to mafia? No, it doesn't. *rage*

Wow, that’s kind of insensitive. People’s gender happens to be a big piece of their identity, of course they’re going to want you to get it right. And ‘basically the same’ is not the same as ‘exactly the same’- besides which, lots of feminist have a problem with the idea of the male-tense being considered the universal one.

Yes, I know, completely off topic. I’ll shut up now.

[/quote]
do I need to comment on this too?

[sekinj]

t;][repeatedly:] you wouldn't, would you?

It seems like you're lacking real arguments there…

fre pushed me to answer each little comment he made. I answered a few of them like that because that is how HE responded to MY arguements, and then expected me to comment on that...

[sekinj]

Lynch all liars is awful. It only works on badly playing scum and they're the kind you can catch with other methods. It also has a tendancy to catch misguided townies and I'm yet to be convinced that a misguided townie is better dead than alive, because warm bodies are what we be needing.

qft

[sekinj]

so.... I'd really rather not claim. Why do you guys think I'm scum again? because I made cases you didn't like? or because you don't like how i post my cases? people think I'm scum in evey single one of my games right now, so I get a little confused as to the reasons...

[sekinj]

well, looks like I will either die tonight or today...

I'm basically the doctor. I was going to protect Liam tonight.

but my character is Damar. I will show scum if scanned, but I'm really town.

there you go... lynch me all you want.

[sekinj]

I don’t like that the dominion has been leeching away Cardassian independence, so I’ve decided to work for the federation in secret. So I can use my military training to protect one character each night. But, no one knows I am working for the federation so if I were investigated, it would look like I was still with the dominion.

[sekinj]

great. then lynch me. it's not like i can do much good now anyway. I'll either get lynched today of nk'd tongiht.

[sekinj]

nope, not fallible as far as I know. I don't know if I can protect someone on the same night I am nk'd though, so I probably don't be able to do anything this game.

[sekinj]

you know what, time, I am sick of you right now. how dare you call my play so terrible when you are the one who is going after me. If you are scum okay then woopie for you, you got me. But if you are town, you should be ashamed of yourself for being roped in by the scum so easily. I have made cases on people and they are ignore because they apparently follow everyone else around.

I'm just really sick of being seen as scum in every single one of my games.

[sekinj]

unvote, vote: sekinj

[sekinj]

*psst* for the record, I did mean ZONE FACE, and not liam. Whoever the Klingon is I was going to protect, even though he hasn't done us any favors up to this point.


*dies*

[sekinj]

[ghost noises] come on people, just lynch someone already. It's not hard, just say

Vote: fr*cough*xxxx

[/ghost noises]

[sekinj]

apparently it's either that or let the game die. Why don't you let Time AND me back and we can try again to duke it out