Ha Ha Ha.Walnut wrote:I have read the whole Mac post against me, and feel that there is nothing worth answering, as it is mainly rehashing, arguments based on incorrect assumptions, oversimplifcations and "you did <insert any role neutral action> so you are scum".
How likely do you think it is that Camn has lied about her role?CF Riot wrote:Urgh. Camn just voted someone who wasn't even on the LoS she posted 1 page ago. I don't know how to digest this at all.
Perhaps you should answer these questions for yourself, and get back to me:Tinsley wrote:That’s the only reason you’ve given for suspecting Fark, so if there’s another reason, what is it?
She claimed to be busy, but when sheThesp wrote:How much probative scumhunting did farside22 do? How many posts did she have that looked like they were useful, but went nowhere? How often did she go on tangents away from the centerpoint of discussion?
Isn't that a question for you to answer?Tinsely wrote:While we're on the subject, what scumhunting have you done?
Good question. I still don't mind the Walnut hate, but I don't think he's likelier to be scum than a couple of other people. I'm intrigued to get people's reactions to him (especially since he was one of the ones who tried to attack a cop claim, which is always more likely to come from scum), and want to see him squirm because I think it's mildly useful, but ultimately I think there are better targets out there. I think that, barring strange developments, he probably shouldn't be allowed near the endgame.Tinsley wrote:You said you weren’t wild about Walnut’s proposed lynch while earlier in the game you said you didn’t mind the Walnut hate. What made you change your mind?
This looks like flailing about. I also never, ever like the "nice work, scum!" type of quote.Tinsley wrote:By the way my crappy argument/prediction is looking like it’s coming true. You’ve got your loyal followers (camn and Walnut) on my bandwagon now. With charter doing a reread, ShadowGirl set to return any day now, and Thesp more than willing to drop the hammer, it looks like you might get someone other than Walnut lynched. Nice work scum!
I think this FOS is misplaced, as the deadline request is more likely to come from town-LG than scum-LG.Farkshinsoup wrote:FoS Lord Gurgi.
Did you just ask for a deadline?! That's pretty damn convenient, since that bandwagon against you just recently evaporated.
I think we've done plenty of talking. It's time to lynch someone.camn wrote:I too am against a deadline at this point. We have plenty to talk about.
You're a better man than me. I may get around to it sometime, I skimmed it.Walnut wrote:I have read the whole Mac post against me
Honestly, considering how many people find me scummy, I'm starting to think that the only reason I'm still alive is for entertainment value. From now on, Thesp, I want you to call me Farkle, or failing that, THADmiral!Thesp wrote:I'll vote for either of Tinsley or farkshinsoup (my vote is currently on farkshinsoup, even though I've enjoyed his presence in this game).
Walnut wrote:I am not sure I follow the reasoning that if something isit is probably an honest townie mistake rather than scummy.poorly worded
CF Riot wrote:Walnut, the fact that Charter's posts areworded poorlyis not WHY I think they're town.
This is why it's frustrating arguing with you. And I said in my own post, that YOU quoted, that IWalnut wrote:Incidentally, I don't think you could pass off Charter's calling my action a contradiction as"poorly worded"; it was not the phrasing, it was the thought itself that was wrong.
I think it's extremely likely that she's telling the truth, so much so that it's not worth contemplating at this stage. (I also agree that from a neutral perspective, it's more likely that she's telling the truth than I am.)CF Riot wrote:Thesp: I believe Camn. I don't think it's impossible that she lied, I just believe her. I think it's much more likely that you are lying about your role than Camn is hers. Numbers: 75% truth 25% lie. What do you think?
What do you mean? This question:CF Riot wrote:While I'm at it, why do you insist all Tinsley's questions are just for him to answer? I think you are dodging accusations almost as badly as Walnut.
...is better answered by looking at her yourself. The other question...Tinsley wrote:That’s the only reason you’ve given for suspecting Fark, so if there’s another reason, what is it?
...is a question for him to answer, not me. (Seriously, what am I going to say? I think I've done lots of scumhunting, and I continue to do so.)Tinsley wrote:While we're on the subject, what scumhunting have you done?
Unless I have misinterpreted them, people have accused me of spending too much time defending myself. As Mac posted a big huge post full of stuff that I have already defended or is such rubbish that is not worth mentioning, I said that I won't waste time and space on it unless people request it. Do you consider that there is anything to answer in his post, and if so, which bit(s)?That you have ZERO defense for Mac's massive case against you makes me want you gone so much more.
I don't think defenses are very useful (if at all). If I'm scum, I could just make stuff up that sounds reasonable, so I don't think what I say to justify my actions is all that important.CF Riot wrote:The first question has been taken out of context. You said something like, "X isn't the reason I suspect Fark," and in that question Tinsley asked what the other reason was. You are in fact the only person who can answer why YOU suspect someone. The second one is almost a rhetorical question, but you must see that it is an accusation against you. You say nothing to refute it. You seem perfectly comfortable letting us believe you aren't scum hunting. I personally see some effort on your part now, but at the time you really hadn't done anything and you just let that statement ride. I don't see any of your own justification for your suspects either. Just, "What you have all said is right, so I'll keep supporting you."
1. Because she has throughout the game not contributed very much, I'm not sure when she was supposed to return, but she apparently still hasn't.Farkshinsoup wrote:Why not wait for her, see what she had to contribute, and then decide whether to ask for the deadline? Why are you so sure that she wouldn't have anything interesting to contribute? At the very least she has a vote that isn't on anyone at the moment.
Also, why not ask the town whether any of us wanted a deadline imposed before you unilaterally decided to request it?
I'm not implying that these are necessarily scum moves, I'd just like to hear your answers.
I will not elaborate on this point, as I think doing so will cause the town to go off on a tangent.Farkshinsoup wrote:Who, exactly, were you referring to here? Please elaborate.
Never said anything about holding a vote, but I do find it interesting that when you imagine consulting with the town, you immediately thought of me. I thought you said I was scum.Lord Gurgi wrote:2. Yes, let's hold a vote, since that's working so well for finding scum, I'm not going to pass every decision I make by you.Farkshinsoup wrote:Also, why not ask the town whether any of us wanted a deadline imposed before you unilaterally decided to request it?
Yes, this would be consistent with your recent attempts to ape Thesp's "I think we've done plenty of talking. It's time to lynch someone." attitude. Of course, as I've pointed out, you have a vested interest in cutting off discussion and forcing a deadline, seeing as you're scum.LG wrote:I will not elaborate on this point, as I think doing so will cause the town to go off on a tangent.
I've posted more recently than camn. Thoughts about that? I have been contributing for a while since I was wagonned.charter wrote:Actually,unvote Fark, vote LGLG has once again gone to non-contribution as soon as he's not in danger of being lynched, I'd like to urge him to contribute some more.
No I said that because you obviously wanted to comment on it, because you've been crusading against deadline since I first suggested.Farkshinsoup wrote:Never said anything about holding a vote, but I do find it interesting that when you imagine consulting with the town, you immediately thought of me. I thought you said I was scum.Lord Gurgi wrote:2. Yes, let's hold a vote, since that's working so well for finding scum, I'm not going to pass every decision I make by you.Farkshinsoup wrote:Also, why not ask the town whether any of us wanted a deadline imposed before you unilaterally decided to request it?
Sorry, in future I will remember to hurt the town, I am serious that when you want me to tell you things about last game and its effect on this one, you're only inviting more confusion.Farkshinsoup wrote:Yes, this would be consistent with your recent attempts to ape Thesp's "I think we've done plenty of talking. It's time to lynch someone." attitude. Of course, as I've pointed out, you have a vested interest in cutting off discussion and forcing a deadline, seeing as you're scum.LG wrote:I will not elaborate on this point, as I think doing so will cause the town to go off on a tangent.
I don't blame you for avoiding these inconvenient questions. I'm at L-2, and you have 1 vote, mine. If I was scum and was in your shoes, I wouldn't feel too pressured either.
ONCE AGAIN, LG is throwing unfounded suspicion camn's way. Camn's case is different, she's been minimally posting all along, you post much more when you have some votes on you.Lord Gurgi wrote:I've posted more recently than camn. Thoughts about that? I have been contributing for a while since I was wagonned.charter wrote:Actually,unvote Fark, vote LGLG has once again gone to non-contribution as soon as he's not in danger of being lynched, I'd like to urge him to contribute some more.
Tinsley wrote:That’s the only reason you’ve given for suspecting Fark, so if there’s another reason, what is it?
CF Riot already mentioned it, but yes this question was in regards to you saying you had other reasons for suspecting Fark. So what are they? I can't read your mind.Thesp wrote:Perhaps you should answer these questions for yourself, and get back to me?
Tinsely wrote:While we're on the subject, what scumhunting have you done?
I'll address it if we're both still alive D3. I think it would be a distraction now. We've limited the D2 lynches to Fark, myself, LG, and Walnut, I think we should focus on the four of us.Thesp wrote:Isn't that a question for you to answer?
I'll be honest - when I see a huge argument that mostly references post numbers and the poster's reactions to them, I rarely read those posts very closely (Charter, this goes out to you as well). I don't want to have to flip back and forth to compare the statements in the post with the interpretations. No knock against those kinds of posts, that's just how they effect me. Call me lazy if you want.CF Riot wrote:Fark what is your opinion of Walnut? What do you think of Mac's case?
Please stop misrepresenting my posts. I have not been crusading against a deadline, I've been calling YOU out for your REQUEST for a deadline. Your defense of yourself with these strawman arguments is just another brick in the scum-wall.LG wrote:No I said that because you obviously wanted to comment on it, because you've been crusading against deadline since I first suggested.
Because she's consistent it's ok? I just feel like if I ate an orange that eating oranges would be a scum tell too. As for Walnut: I don't think he's the lynch for today. But I do think that he is slightly scummy, not nearly so much as others seem to see him however.charter wrote:ONCE AGAIN, LG is throwing unfounded suspicion camn's way. Camn's case is different, she's been minimally posting all along, you post much more when you have some votes on you.Lord Gurgi wrote:I've posted more recently than camn. Thoughts about that? I have been contributing for a while since I was wagonned.charter wrote:Actually,unvote Fark, vote LGLG has once again gone to non-contribution as soon as he's not in danger of being lynched, I'd like to urge him to contribute some more.
Yes, quite sure LG is scum.
I'm sorry...? Do you really think you are that important? You're just being blatantly biased and I'm saying you are, when I criticize you for not accusing camn also, you take it as me throwing suspicion at camn, and even on top of that you say I don't deny it.... What I'm saying is that I think it's a null tell, but you seem to think it's scummy because I'm doing it. If everyone was voting for camn she would defend herself as well, not focus on another game.charter wrote:I wanted SG replaced a long time ago, I still want her replaced. If she comes back she will be a plague of non-helpfulness.
But you don't deny that this is twice now you've tried to throw suspicion at camn with no reason? My point was that you get very defensive when you're voted. You're doing it again now, even though it's just me and Fark voting you again and it's pretty much a consensous that Fark is the scummiest, and no one listens to me. This was going to be the same dead-end wagon, but now you've upped your posting again as soon as you get a few votes.
