Mini 653 - Family Guy Mafia - Game over

[Xtoxm]

Hey all.

Vote IG

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It looks like we have quite short days, so we can't hang around.

Vote: Kmd4390

You're what the Spaniards call El Terrible.

Again, a complete character claim isnt the best path to take D1, this will simply add speculation which is not needed. This is the type of time I wish my vote counted.

Interesting resrction Llama. Obviously I don't think you'd fake something like that. No character comes to mind that would be voteless...

But I don't see what you accuse GB of?

I don't see him claim anywhere, or suggest claiming, in his 2 posts.

Whta are you on about?

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Not a character claim. I suppose the first quote didn't really make sense (it was something along the lines of "this is my house"). #2 being Cleveland was coincidence. I just felt that that needed to be said.

Did you just claim Cleveland...?

Well. I don't think an early breadcrumb is implicative of scum. If anything, i'd say quite the opposite.

Anyways if anyone is making early claims it's you. What's the point of telling us that your vote doesn't count? Are you trying to pass this off as some kind of pro-town role handicap? Why would anyone other than scum do that?

Yes, this is a very good point.

If you are town, you have just told the scum that you are a voteless townie, and that they don't want to touch you at night. The optimal strategy of a voteless townie is to keep trying and try to attract the NK.

So, if you are town, you have been careless.

So with that i'll

unvote vote LF

Why did you claim?

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We've already had one of the players tell us of a restriction, that involves us not seeing their vote. This may have something to do with it. And since that person said the restriction caused their vote not to count, it may work both ways. Some won't show and will count, some won't show and won't count, some will show and won't count... That's what I'm seeing, anyway.

I think this makes good sense. The VC will just show where we have our votes, not a real vote count, I think.

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And why exactly would hinting at your character be implicative of town? As of now, seeing as how we really don't have much information, I am under the assumption that character role is not necessarily indicative of alignment. Until this assumption is diputed, I have viewed this possible hinting at characters a null tell.

What makes others believe that character claiming would indicate a particular alignment? Have I missed something important?

Well. I don't think a scum would want to character claim at the start, before they know everything. It may come to light later that there is some kind of link/information the have, that suggest his character is indeed scum. A townie has no worry about doing something like this, as they have the knowledge that they are town.

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I did not say careless = scum, I say if you were town, you had been careless.

Well, scum knowing you can't vote is very bad, be you town.

Consider this: 8 players alive, 3 scum, 5 townies, you are one of them. Town cannot lynch scum. Scum have won by this point.

So even if you are telling the truth, you are still useful to get rid off, anf lyncing will be the only way, as you have such an anti-town role. And, we might get scum.

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Ok, well I don't like Dalt's wagoning at all.

My point about LF is that he is either an anti-town role, or full blown scum. If he was 100% cleared then I wouldn't want him lynched, but he can be scum. So I think this makes him a very good day one lynch. I did not say I think LF is town, but I want him lynched anyway. I've found his claim to be quite scummy, actually.

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Well xotxm is the scummiest in my book right now, earning him my "vote", and I look forward to hear some more from him on his policy lynch.

It is not a policy lynch, I never said that and you are putting words into my mouth now. Please don't.

And what more are you expecting me to add about my reasons for wanting you lynched?

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When you lynch someone over a consistant policy, ie always lynching people who lurk would be a lurker policy lynch.

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No, I wouldn't say so, it's kind of a consistant scumtell, where you say if

anyone

does this, I lynch them. So sometimes it can be, yes.

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Well im probally not using the right words, but I really dont know what I can even say to you if you are going to vote me purely based on a role. Maybe its not a policy lynch of a player but of a role (again not sure if this is the right wording). Will you at least consider other suspects at this day drags on or should I just not even try to convince you to do anything else?

Yes, I will consider other suspects, if you aren't going to be lynched, however I think your lynch is good play.

Question to you though - If you had my role would you be asking for people to lynch you if it got outed?

Yes, I think so. You haven't seen me self-sacrifice before have you...

IG, I agree with what you say.

And actually, as my idea for lynching LF is unpopular,

unvote vote Dalt

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I don't think gobo is scum, he looks very good to me.

And my suggestion did (does) make copius sense, as his presence, if town, move the day we reach lylo forward by one. So lynching him is no loss AT ALL. Either that, or he is scum. But for some reason you guys don't like it.

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Llama, that is wrong, D2 is lylo if you are town.

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And D3 is lylo if you are scum/town and dead.

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One thing I hadn't considered, thinking about it. LF has some kind of power other than being a voteless townie. I guess it's possible, but don't think it too likely. I think he should be made dead by tomorrow at the latest because even if he's not scum he's going to screw the town over.

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I'm not taking my vote off just because the person I found scummy got replaced.

I had also assumed there were 3 scum...I guess there might not be, but really I can't see there being a number other than 3.

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Goborage, hurry up and comment on whether or not you claimed Cleveland.

Goborage, I would advise you not to answer that.

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Staying away from speculation such as that is generally a good thing because

A) Its just speculation. Whats the point? There is no evidence backing up anything. Lets all follow Occam's Razor and not make any more assumptions than we have to.

B) Because its only speculation. At best it does nothing to help town because there's nothing really in it that town can use to find scum. At worst it helps scum cause randomness in town, reduces scum hunting and also brings us closer to a deadline and a mis lynch.

I would say personal speculation is ok, but not out loud. This can give hints as to what your own role is, and can also lead the subject into unintenially revealing information about their role.

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xtoxm- you are pushing waaaay too hard for this lynch to happen, and its obvious it't not going to happen- at least not day 1. What are your thoughts on dalt, who quite a few others believe to be scum? I looked back in posts, and imo it does look like an unofficial claim, however do we really know what a claim of cleveland could mean? my vote stands

What is wrong with pushing hard for the lynchof someone when you believe them to be the correct lynch?

Why is it not going to happen? You have reason to believe Llama is pro-town? (Rhetorical) Perhaps it's not going to happen for the reason(s) I have pushed, but Llama is still just as a feasable target for today's lynch as anyway, he should not be ruled out.

My thoughts on Dalt? I didn't like the way he just bandwagoned me, that's why I voted him.

No, we do not know what a claim of Cleveland could mean, nor do I consider it relevent.

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Unless you think his claim is false and he is scum, I don't see why you would push for his lynch.

Why the "and"? Is it not possible that he could be truthful about the lack of a vote, yet be a scum role? I consider it a very real possibility.

Why are you pushing for this so hard?

Already answered that.

Sorry I'm not intentionally lurking, just really busy at the moment. I need to re-read before I post anything substantial.

Really? I hadn't noticed that you were lurking. What makes you believe you are lurking?

Because you know you are not contributing anything to help town, maybe? I find that scummy.

Xtoxm - Either he knows too much about the setup (very concerning) or mis-understands the term LYLO. FoS:Xtoxm

I do not understand what you are saying here, but I find just giving me a FOS after the wagon that came on me quite weak indeed. Looks like you just want to give an excuse for voting me later if a wagon comes back on me, at some point.

I'm not liking Crub at all.

Kmd4390 - I get a townie read from him.

Why?

Goborage - Why aren't you posting content? When he said "being Cleveland was coincidence" he was obviously referring to the fact that when he was quoting Cleveland was just coincidental and didn't point to him being Cleveland.

I wouldn't say that he's not. And who are you to call out people for not contributing?

LF - I'd prefer not to lynch LF because I being scum without a vote, seems like bastard moddery to me. Pretty much confirmed town for me.

As pointed out, I do not agree with this at all.

Yeh so i'm not liking Crub's short analysis at all. Apart from that, it looks like he's now caught up on the thread and also has little/nothing to say. I find him very suspicious. I may change my vote to Crub soon.

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Sorry, missed it.

Well, other than my points mentioned earlier, yes I like his last post a lot, and i've not seen anything from him to suggest that he is not town, he's looking quite townie to me atm.

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Yes, that post.

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I think he's doing ok. The amount of content he's providing is not disimilar to other games i've played with him as town.

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Why are you advising other players on stuff? If you turn up scum, I'm not going to be surprised if Garborage turns up scum as well based on your current actions.

Your scum points are starting to add up and soon you'll be able to redeem them for my vote.

Because, although I don't think IG is aksing it in a rolefishy kinda way, answering it could lead to accidently saying something about his role.

You seem to believe the claim which is why I don't see the case.

Yes, I do believe the claim. Maybe you've got a point. Perhaps he's some kind of rolecop vig, trying to throw scum off. So i'll lay off him for the moment.

But he did seem very sincere in when he said he didn't have a vote, so I think it highly likely he's telling the truth about that.

xtoxm - do you really think llama is scum and why? Or do you just think the town is better off without him no matter his allignment?

I've found him a bit scummy, but yes the latter is the reason why i've been pushing his lynch.

xtoxm: can you elaborate why you find the claim scummy? Was it timing or something else?

As I said earlier - I find the claim scummy, as if I was a voteless townie I would not claim right off to the scum that I have a horribly anti-town role, and that they should steer their kills away from me at night. The aim of the voteless townie should be to get NKed before he has to sacrifice himself.

xtoxm: Why do you think gobo is town?

Well, i've just got a general town feel from his posts.

Also, xtoxm, you don't seem to be looking at anyone else as scum. What are your suspicions?

Um, sorry? Yes I have. I have stated suspicion for Dalt (Now yourself) and Crub.

I am suspicious of xtoxm for not looking at any players besides llama as scum.

This is a direct mistruth about me, and makes me very happy with my current vote on you, not on Llama.

Need to go now, but will look at pages 8 and 9 when I get back, later this evening.

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I quite like Reborn's entry, remains consistent with my town read on Gobo.

Yet of all the scummiest of the scummy here, it still seems that xtoxm takes the cake. Xtoxm's bandwagoning of Llama looks borderline FRANTIC!

Are you on Crack? I was the one leading the attack on Llama, I did not bandwagon.

And his defense of goborage as town was admitedly based solely on a post goborage made saying that xtoxm brought up some pretty good points. And that somehow made goborage town?

Do you not believe in towntells? I do. And I like to think they work in much the same way as scumtells. As in, one small thing can be a major tell on your alignment.

Just because he agreed with him?

No. And i've already said that. But it does help.

And your next point about me. Do you not understand what a voteless townie is? It moves lylo forward by an entire cycle, so there is absolutley no loss in lynching him. I fail to see how it can be construed as scummy to push/support this.

xtoxm for his stance on my role

Llama, this is you saying that

my stance on your role

is scummy? What the hell? How can a stance on a role be scummy? It can't be...It's how someone acts...

Goborage WASN'T character-claiming!! I know what you're trying to do, what you're trying to make me say, so stop fishing right now!!

This is why I asked Gobo not to answer that, you have just catorgorically said he wasn't roleclaiming, thus meaning you are not Cleveland.

I will agree with you when it comes to the fact that xtoxm's persistance in a LF lynch is very suspicious. His continuous posts in which the only reason he gives for lynching LF is his PR still is suspicious to me, for as stated in the post above, pushing for a lynch without any viable reason other than speculation based off this PR detracts from true scum hunting.

Why is holding to it suspicious?? I have explained why I pushed it in the first place, and it is unflawed. It would be scummy to suggest it and then back down when people started attacking me for it rather than holding to it, IMO.

As I have stated above, I found xtoxm to be suspicious because of the intense pushing for an LF lynch solely based off the fact that LF has a PR.

Why is pushing the lynch ypu believe in scummy?

Close. You're very close, and here's where it gets a bit strange. She stays off of the xtoxm wagon.

She was on 2/3 wagon's, and not mine? And you're saying that's scummy? I was on 2 of the three wagon's, I am also scummy by the same logic, because I don't think that the third wagon is scummy?

Ok, so you are trying to stop the bandwagon here on the player who seems to be the scummiest.

I don't like this comment from KMD at all. He states out of no-where that I have been the scummiest player in the game.

So you disagree with xtoxm but you defend him in the same post.

I have done that many times. It's how someone acts you have to analyse. That is not a scumtell. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you have to think they're scum.

Conclusion: BG was on two of the three bandwagons that I noticed. Other connections to xtoxm can be seen. Possible scum pair?

What crap scum logic reasoning. I am to assume that when you are town, you never trust anyone, or follow someone you believe to be town?

I think GW is probably town in the way he attacks me over this, but i'm thinking KMD might be scum.

I don't agree with your buddying thing either... just because two people interact a lot it doesn't mean they are scum partners. If that were true I'd be voting for one of you two right now.

QFT.

ok I dont think xtoxm is scum! how many times do I have to say it? I have seen many games where town people do stupid things- I think that's what he is doing.

A valid point, however i'm not doing anything stupid, could you please explain in detail why you think I am being stupid?

This case that i'm scum with BG is completely stupid.

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Note - Sorry about repeated use of the same word at the end there. It was unitentional.

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a) BG is scum and therefore knows who is pro-town and who is not. Because of this information, she is trying to connect herself to someone/several people she felt others would believe to be pro-town early on in the game in hopes of making herself look pro-town.

You say she is trying to make connections. What connections? I see no connections from BG to me. Saying you find someone to look town is not a scumtell.

c) BG is town and simply agrees with some points made by xtoxm, and then disagrees with other arguments brought up. If this is so, then it could be likely that my possible scenario A is in play, though vice versa with xtoxm as scum and trying to link himself with a pro-town player in hopes of looking more town.

Ignore the alignment statements in this quote, and I don't see how anyone case this is not the case be she town/scum, me town/scum.

At the moment, I must admit that I am still rather ignorant as to the possible connections between BG, xtoxm, and gobo/reborn, and this is the reason that gobo/reborn was not added into the situations. I will be doing a reread in just a moment, and will then give my opinions of the thoughts/observations posted by others on this topic. As I said before, the scenarios listed above are mere speculation, but from what I have seen of preceding posts, the evidence against BG is logical and substantial.

Because of this, I will vote: BG

What? You say you don't see any connections, but then vote for BG over the crap logic case? Please, if you are town, think about where you place your vote...

If any players disagree with my logic and/or observations, please let me know, for I tried to be as thorough in my reread as possible, but there is still a possibility that I missed something. I will repeat the fact that the scenarios listed above are mostly speculation, and as such may be flawed. As I said earlier in this paragraph, if you do indeed believe that the possibilities are flawed, let me know.

Hi. But I guess you didn't really want me to respond to this anyway.

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I am not liking how KMD has acted around this new BG-Me "case" at all.

Unvote vote KMD

GW and Kloud do look town to me, and I think they are just looking the wrong way.

Current thoughts:

Town:
Gobo/Reborn
Kloud
GW
BG
IG
TT

Scum:
EK
KMD
Crub

Unsure:
RF
LF

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I understand my defending of BG here may add to this "case" against us, but fact is I think she's town, and I don't like the way this attack is. If I was scum I could easily lay low through this.

Why would I go out of my way to defend her if I was scum with her?

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Ugghh.

BG, I was trying hard to avoid having to claim.

As she's claimed, I may aswell confirm that i'm her lover.

We die tonight.

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I was even preparing a fakeclaim to try and stop the scum making a NK on me..Lol..

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And LF, from the way she's acted concerning me, I think she's probably town, who think's i'm a confirmed inno to her.

I ask Farside and we're not, but i'm pretty certain we are both town.

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Why do you direct that question at the both of us?

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There was no point in not claiming once BG had.

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LF - I do not know.

And I disagree fully with both or your candidates.

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How would it be a good claim for scum to make? It's possibly one of the worst scum claims I can think of...

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Posting this in all my games.

I will be away for a few days from monday.

Just to to let you all know.

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Well, if one's dies and isn't a lover, we know the other is scum, that's why it's a crap fakeclaim.

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No, you implied that if one died as loverscum the other would be lynched.

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I'd be very happy killing you today, though.

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Bite me.

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Hi. I'm back. Make a post tonight

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@xtoxm Who would you be very happy killing today?

At the point you asked this:

Crub
EK
KMD
LF

And poss RF.

But from what i've glanced at this changes.

I'll post an updated one once i've read new stuffs.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Yeh sorry, sometimes things come out wrong if i'm trying to multitask thinking with typing quickly

What I meant wa sthat the suggested scenario, ie scenario C, is the argument that holds true, irrespective of our alignments.

Like so..!

c) BG

is town and

simply agrees with some points made by xtoxm, and then disagrees with other arguments brought up.

My shall stay where it is for now, for even though the lover claim makes sense in regards to the connection, this point:

I suggest you change that before I start finding it scummy.

makes me still feel that my argument above holds some weight. The fact that BG decided to claim lover with you when only three votes (I think it was three votes) were on her only assists in supporting my reasoning for finding her suspicious on the premiss of her actions being erratic/frantic at times. This factor still makes me feel that BG is hiding something, other than the now-revealed lover situation she had been concealing. It is possible for you to both be town, but it is also possible for one of you to be scum and the other town, as well as both scum, so I am at a loss right now. I feel that my earlier suspicions of you have waned to a certain degree, but I feel your lover partner to still be suspicious.

From the way she has acted, I think she is town. If she is scum, I don't think it will matter much, because I can't see us both making it to the end regardless....

I was annoyed when she claimed so early, escpecially when it was just after my posting a defense rather than after an attack or something, but there's nothing I can do about that. But her reasoning is real - I was in said game when she was cop. She just claimed it out of nowhere day 1. I was scum, there were no doctors. Cop dead N1 nice and easy...

But whatever happens, we aren't lynching claimed lovers on Day 1. More likely we'll find out on Day 2 whether they're telling the truth one way or they other.

Wrong. Scum might not kill us tonight (assuming we are both town) - We are lovers. It's not all that powerful a role. They might try to kill a cop or doc or some such role. The only thing they gain from us is a double kill. We also might be kept alive if they think we are a legitimate lynch target.

STD - I didn't like his silly FOSing of 10 players, but overall I quite liked his entry.

After much deliberation, I have determined that your role screws us over pretty much equally whether we lynch you now or whether you prevent us from being able to sucessfully lynch the scum later on in the game (Thanks, mod). Why Xtoxm would be advocating your lynch over scumhunting is beyond me. However, I am not opposed to thinking about pulling the trigger if we're caught with our pants down and nowhere close to a lynch, and neither should you.

I'm glad another person see's my side of it

I am seriously pretending everything you say is in the voice of Hitsugaia. However, it's been a long time since I've seen Bleach, so I have no idea if that's his name or not, or even how to spell it. It's also hard, because I watched in Japanese, and your posts are in English.

That is WAY cool!

That is his name, english spelling of it is a little different.

You deserve to be immune from my vote for today or something just for that comment

Xtoxm is suspicious for suggesting to lynch LlamaFluff on page 3ish or whatever as opposed to later, though. While I find his ideas to be correct, his timing is suspect.

*Sigh*

Again.

The point is, that his presence moves the day we reach lylo forward by an entire day. So there is absolutley nothing lost in lynching him, and a very high potential gain (scum day one), and I found his claiming the role suspicious, because a voteless shouldn't want to get his role out there, however a scum with that role, or even that fakeclaim, WOULD want to.

I can definately see this action as eager to be helpful without being helpful. Both IG and RF are players that I have not seen go out of their way to hunt scum, or even for that matter, post much in the way of new content.

No, I disagree. I think that IG has been consistent is posting his suspicions and he's looking very town to me atm. I can probably agree with you on RF.

Anyone I did mention I've got my eye on at least (thinktank, kmd) to flat out suspicion (RF, IG, reborn, and BG/Xtoxm pre-claim).

What is the point of keeping your eye here post-claim?

I'm going to Unvote, Vote Reborn for now. I have my reservations about RF and IG, and I'm still not too keen on the lovers claim (as in, I believe it, but I don't think they're in the clear).

I don't like this at all. Gobo looked very townie to me, and Reborn is also looking good. Although on the whole he looks good, there's a couple things about STD i'm not liking.

My answers are in bold. There doesn't seem to be a case here, just an attack on my suspicions of LF followed by a vote on me. I'm looking at you as scum partners now FoS StD

UGGH. Please don't do this. I can't follow it at all when people respond by writing inside the quote they've quoted.

And yeah, you're right, I'm not a very good scumhunter.

I can't help but find it scummy when people try to use this as an excuse. This has come up in another game of mine. Why must people say this...

But I'd like to point out that not only am I fallible, but I also did most of my read from 2:00 am to 5:00 am in the morning, and may not have been fully awake.

Lol, I do this all the time. I think i'm in love with you.

Doesn't mean you should policy lynch players who give scum tells.

This whole scum-tell argument you have is a bit confusing. Is a scumtell not, by defintion, something someone does that makes you think they are scum? In the game you are playing. Not just anywhere on the site, done anywhere. Scumtells aren't constant.

I'm sure a scum would speculate who they're going to kill early in-game IN THE GAME THREAD.

Lol, nice response

Right. my stuff is in bold again.

Screw that idea.

By the way, you still haven't really answered about why you were doing so much power role speculation, IG. How does that help anybody?

He never said he was power role fishing. Why are you putting wrods in his mouth?

Although it can be seen that way, I do not feel that it was intentional.

I'm pretty sure farsidemod is being ruthless about prodding and replacing players. I don't think lurking is an issue in this game. If you disagree, who do you think is guilty of it?

I can vouch for this.

But about your second point - You cannot deny that some are being less active than others - Both in post frequency and content.

As for the o_O, I don't think that you should be ignoring things and hoping they'd blow over.

I think it's ok, i've done it before. Sometimes if there's something you can't think of a good response too, or without one that's liekly to make you look scummy, it can be easier to hope it just goes away.

What is the advantage of breadcrumbing in a theme game, where scum often have safeclaims anyway? Sorry, this is just a strategic question from a newbie.

Main reason I think is because it can prove you later when you claim, it shows atleast that you've had that claim from the start.

Although it's also fun to try and find a good way of breadcrumbing without giving your role away straight off!

this game hasnt been getting enough of my attention, I will should have a larger post up later today

I think you've been a lot more active than most.

On to bigger things - the lovers should find out if its a delayed suicide or not. I have seen instant suicide games and ones where its delayed by either a day or night (ie BG killed N1 xtoxm suicides end of D2). Either way both lovers should be kept off the chopping blocks today.

One step ahead!

I have knowledge. At all: Should I share it now? I think it might be better to keep it to myself, so as to prevent scum finding out.

[Skipped a bit for not having much to say about it]

We don't need an extension, lightweights...

IG - I hear you about TT. His is laying low a bit, but really i'm finding him looking pretty town atm. There's really not anything he's said that i've disliked. I've also played with him once before (well, sort of), and he was much of a talker, and he was town. So I don't see lurking as a scumtell for him.

Ok, so the new list I promised.

Who i'm happy lynching today:

LF (I doubt you're ever going to lose this spot.. )
EK
KMD

Possibles:

RF
STD

So yeh, i'm thinking the other's are town at this time. Although I think Reborn has dropped a bit. But still, I liked Gobo a lot.

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Apart from the fact that's it's completely irrelevent as the maximum extension has already been granted, why not?

I disagree.

I do not think deadline extensions are always pro-town, and I don't often support them. Everyone is here right now, and I feel we could have gotten a decent lynch tongether by the 24th.

Therefore, were it still open, I would be against the dealdine extension.

If it had got close, like day before or something, and it wasn't happening, then i'd have requested. Or if a new replacement wanted extra time to catch up or something.

Anyway, I think it's time to push for the lynch I want, so...

Unvote Vote EK

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Wow. RF got that post up AND Farside mannaged to edit it all while I was typing that.

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Is it not implied?

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What I think he's on about is you are arguing over a fairly trivial matter.

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Why can't it be legitimate suspicion?

He didn't say it wasn't.

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Is the strikethrough an indication that you feel BG is not town? I don't understand.

NO!!!

It's supposed to indicate that the scenario makes sense if you take out the alignment indication, it works for whatever her alignment is, and whatever mine is. That's what i'm saying.

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I am not happy with any of the current vote leaders.

BG - Wtf?

[Xtoxm]

You aren't in the latest vote count, but could you place your vote before you go please?

STD - Will find where I gave reaosns for wanting EK lynched.

[Xtoxm]

Ugh...Why do people want him lynched??

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Promised STD this a few days ago, so i've gone to the effort to find it quickly -

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Had some more reasons when I voted Dalt in the first place I think, but the didn't relate to EK.

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Oh, maybe I did.

Well, i'm just really getting the feel that she's scum.

Not liking the IG wagon, but looks like it ain't gonna change.

You may as well claim IG.

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I didn't say a gut feeling. From what she's said, I feel that she is scum.

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No, he should claim ASAP. He is the chosen one. Although not my chosen one...

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On a side note, I think it is about 72 hours to deadline.

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Llama - If you are town, could you please stop using your "vote". It's just confusing. Could you instead use an FOS in place of your vote or something?

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I've no reason to disbelieve him. I've been against this wagon from the start.

What's a BG do?

EK wagon for the win.

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I think we can get an EK wagon off in time.

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Or if we're desperate, there's our voteless resident.

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Reborn, what you think of my EK (potential) wagon?

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Guys, we got like 2 days, we need a new wagon quick. Don't just unvote...

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I don't know. (As in, I am not sure what a BG does)

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Ah, thnx. I think option 2 is the most likely one.

And I think we can completely rule out 1 and 3.

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STD talks quite convincingly, dontcha know.

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EK and KMD.

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I think that you attacking me and BG is silly.

And why is KMD not there?

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My EK wagon has no wheels.

Unvote Vote Reborn

In the interest of just getting a lynch.

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See ya.

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Well, tbh, I don't think we'll die tonight, even if we're both town.

I think the scum have better things to hunt this early in the game. Like investigative roles. So I imagine i'll be around tomorrow.

Tbh, I don't think we should be considered until lylo.

But I can see a townie legitimately thinking there's a scum in us.

I'd say that it's not a far cry from the truth.

On this particularly, well, I know i'm town obv, and from what i've seen of BG, i'm really thinking she's town too.

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I don't find either of us scummy.

And why would you assume there's a vig?

Pretty sure it won't be a D1 lylo.

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I tend to find in the smaller games, vigs are rarer. They are very common in the larger games. Assuming a vig is a very bad idea.

Seeing as we're claimed, we can get away with setup speculation, but we should probably save it.

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Who wants an EK wagon?

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Would you rather die yourself?

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Don't blame me.

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Unvote Vote EK

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I've said why I think she's scum.

And it's almost scummy you saying that as a reason for not wanting to vote her. If you're a townie anyone is better than you for a lynch.

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I've said why I think she's scum.

And it's almost scummy you saying that as a reason for not wanting to vote her. If you're a townie anyone is better than you for a lynch.

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Ugh. I got that gay CPU quote screen thing. Sorry for double post.

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I've said why I think she's scum.

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Unvote Vote Llama

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You know what, I kinda believe him.

If you've got a good role, it's worth people thinking you got a crap role to avoid NK.

Unvote

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But please, don't try get me lynched.

Any idea's on what to do?

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I can see this ending in no lynch.

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Actually, thinking about it, Llama's claim does sound very fakeclaimy.

And why the hell would you target IG?

Vote Llama

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I think he might be scum who was told Peter is absent.

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Random JOAT fits Peter perfectly. Too perfectly, almost...

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Sigh.

As much as I hate to say it, i'm starting to feel that perhaps we are the best lynch today.

But I don't want to leave the game

I know we gotta die a somepoint...And if we're lucky BG is scum...

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Well if we mislynch today tomorrow is lylo, so you can't just go lynching us tomorrow.

Unvote Vote EK

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Jack-Of-All-Trades.

He has usually 4 powers, 1 kill, 1 protection, 1 RB, 1 inspect. A random JOAT cannot choose which to use.

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Voteless Townie.

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It is a legitimate concern. He is random, and he can't vote, is his claim. If you lynch us and we're both town, I think the games up, lest we get it right today.

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And a random JOAT is by no means powerful.

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It can do...With a random JOAT I think it's to just target who you think is scum. 3 of the options you wanna use on scum. If I had the role I think i'd be trying to get the kill out...Probably not the best way to use a random JOAT lol.

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BG hasn't posted for 5 days,

Mod, prod/Replace

?

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I know what you mean GW, I often find myself doing that.

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I didn't get my confirm in...

But, clearly Farside was online, and so was LF, because LF confirmed, and Farside was impatient to get her game started.

So that's null at best.

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I wouldn't advise trying to confirm someone...I think just go after who you think is scum.

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Don't read into it.

I won't say who I am, but I will say that i'm not Joe. And i'm in love with Bonnie. So.

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Reborn, your question doesn't make any sense. Who is it directed at?

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IG claimed BodyGuard.

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Good post RF - I found myself agreeing with most of what you said.

Which is annoying, because I was starting to change my mind about Kmd and put you as scum. Now I seem to be thinking too many people are town. I guess I could pass off saying BG could be the 3rd scum, but it's a bit of a cheap out...To myself anyway...

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I have a role idea that I thought was more likely for Cleveland than bodyguard, based on an FG episode I saw, but that's just me. I don't understand the connection between Cleveland and a bodyguard. It might be kind of anti-town for me to share my idea, though, and also pretty baseless and speculative, since it's based on one scene of the show. If you all want to hear it, you'd have to ask.

You can't go arousing our curiosity like that and then not tell us.

Spill the beans.

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Good post RF - I found myself agreeing with most of what you said.

Which is annoying, because I was starting to change my mind about Kmd and put you as scum. Now I seem to be thinking too many people are town. I guess I could pass off saying BG could be the 3rd scum, but it's a bit of a cheap out...To myself anyway...

Well, apart from the bit where you consider me a scum suspect

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It wouldn't surprise me if there are no vanilla townies in this game.

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Hmm, I don't think it's that significant - It's not really a consistent thing throughout, just a one of episode. There could be any number of things anyone could eb if you look at it that way.

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I also admit, nothing comes to mind - But that still doesn't mean it's not what it is.

I'm lightly looking now for anything that would fit.

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Yeh, ok.

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No, that actually makes a lot of sense to me.

He's subtley asking if Gobo was claiming Cleveland, because he himself is Cleveland.

Obviously, if Gobo HAD said "Yah, i'm Cleveland" he'd have countered him.

But obvsiously, he didn't want to give his rolw away.

That add's to my confidance in IG being town.

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Yeh, same lol.

Found the Ep where he dies, and thought I might be onto something, but he really doesn't die gaurding anyone.

Just wondering - Why does Peter not have a vote? That surprises me a little.

Is it something to do with him being retarded? Are the medically retarded not allowed to vote?

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Yeh, I had checked that out. But ultimately, even if we don't find anything (for me atleast) it's not going to affect my opinion of him.

Anyway, we're pretty close to deadline, alreayd the 27th so we only got bout 24 hours.

I think EK only has like 3 votes or something. VC would be nice.

Unfortunatley STD is gone, but we should be able to get a lynch together. I'd like BG and Kloud to show up and make a contribution before the deadline, they've not changed their votes in a while.

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@GW - Why did you unvote EK?

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Hmm. Just checked out the alive list, and i'm not very optimistic.

STD is away.

BG seems to be AWOL.

IG and Kloud aren't really here.

LF can't vote.

There only seems to be 6 of us active, which means we'll be unable to make an EK lynch unless someone turns up.

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*6 of us active than can vote for EK, excluding EK.

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Ok, so i've worked out that the deadline hit's at midnight tomorrow midnight BST (my time).

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British Summer Time.

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You live in the UK too?

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Cool.

^5 for playing mafia at 5 am

I'm in Bristol, but moving shortly to go to uni!

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Yeah, mafia at 5 am is becoming all too familiar to me. Where are you going to uni? I'm a student at Birmingham - that's where I learned mafia, we must have played over 200 games this year.

I'm nocturnal for practically half the week, lol.

I'm going to sheffield

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Again, sorry that I haven't been posting much these last couple of days but I've been sick.

No problem - You've turned up and made the contributation, you can't help being sick.

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What the hell. Honestly. Who in the series loves Bonnie other than Joe? Now this is getting a tad bit confusing as hell.

Well. Unless BG fakeclaimed. But I figured it was one of those things Farside threw in to game being broken by claims etc.

We're millerlovers.

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Ugh. This game is getting really quite confusing.

And I have no idea who to think scum is now...Pretty certain she's real cos that's not a clever thing to do if you're a scum that's about to die.

I guess we should lynch her anyway.

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What the hell. Honestly. Who in the series loves Bonnie other than Joe? Now this is getting a tad bit confusing as hell.

Well. Unless BG fakeclaimed. But I figured it was one of those things Farside threw in to game being broken by claims etc.

We're millerlovers.

MILLER lovers? Is that a joke? Because I don't remember you saying that before. Also think it's scummy because you never mentioned it.

Yes - It was a joke.

I can't think of any reason why I would be in love with Bonnie, lol.

Either it's there to make me sus of my lover, or she's faking. But even if she's faking. I can't think of anyone that really makes sense. lol.

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Somebody (cough xtoxm) didn't read that I was going to be out all day yesterday.

I did..It was just...5 pages...

Why not shift the bandwagon or just no lynch then? We have a lot of stuff to go on so far for D2, the claim looks believable, so we are going to just kill someone we seem to think is town?

Well...I hate the idea of nolynching, on principle...

You think we could get another bandwagon together?

Who would we lynch?

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Normally I would agree with you and not even bother to claim anything if I was vanilla, but I do have a character, which changes things, I think. How would scum know to claim Chris?

Well, we can assume that either scum got safeclaims, or they are safe to claim themself.

Reborn, not really sure what you're on about, but I think you're looking at it wrong.

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No, if we decide against EK, i'd really like to try and get a new wagon going.

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Um, I actually find that a horribly scummy comment, Reborn.

I disagree.

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A VT claim should not be lynched if they are confirmed town. I know EK isn't, but that's what it sounds like you are saying.

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No lynch isn't a complete disaster, I guess, while we have even numbers...There's probably going to be something that skews the numbers anyway, and it could end up wasting us a cycle.

I'm not a fan.

I'd like to get a new wagon off, if we don't want EK lynched.

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Mod: Why are we deadlined? It's not like the game was inactive. Can't we just have as much time as we want?

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Also - Request deadline extension for my lover to replace in and catch up

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No, it's the vanilla claim really.

If she claimed power I was gonna push for the lynch anyway.

But vanilla claim makes her look inno.

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Because scum has no point in claiming vanilla...They just die...In these circumstances.

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We could fly solo for a few days...

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MOD,

I say end day right before you go away. That way night actions can get sent in while you're away and then game back open then.

Why do you suggest that, when it can only lead to you being lynched?

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Unvote

For now.

I don't like unlimited days as people get board and want a day to end.

I assure you, I am not bored with this game

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No, I thought you'd claimed prematurely because at that point I thought there were only a couple of votes on you. I was wrong.

Oh come one Reborn, she was the new wagon. The new lynch. Claiming as soon as possible is the best play.

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I don't know who to think is scum...My suspects have all started looking townie...

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You also never gave me a definate answer: EK is lynched - Is the flip town or scum?

I can't see the future, and I'm not scum so I can't know the answer. I hope she's scum.

*facepalm*

Lets try incentive.

Someone offers you $50 if you guess EKs alignment correctly, what do you think EKs alignment is?

Lol.

What's the point you're trying to make, Llama?

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Do you?

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I really don't think TT is scum.

I do not advocate this wagon.

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IG is voting EK.

The VC is a little worng.

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I believe I have seen kloud browsing this forum multiple times today and not posting (and I don't think he's in another game in coney island).

Hmm.

I think that's as good an option as any.

Vote Kloud

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Reborn - You're point about only losing a vanilla is not valid. IMO anyway.

It's not about minimizing loss for the town.

It's about lynching who you think is scum.

I don't not think EK is scum (I did before, i've changed my mind).

Yes, we run the risk of outing/lynching power roles.

It has to be done. Scum aren't gonna lie down and take it.

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What?

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Um...Yes...Seriously...Why is what I said surprising you...

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Yes.

We have to lynch who we think is scum.

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That is a good post.

Unvote

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I cannot explain it as I am against it and do not understand it myself.

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You would rather lynch reborn, IG and me instead of no lynching? While no lynch isnt the best thing we can accomplish today it sure beats lynching a claimed power role that you believe. I can get behind the lover lynch just because in isolation both of the players appear to be good scum picks.

Pray, explain why I am a good scum pick.

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EK, the thing about me modding a lover game is really crap.

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I think GW might be a good wagon.

Vote GW

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Hey Rock.

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Have you looked at the game i'm modding?

This situation is not comparable.

Polygamist Mafia is tanamount to double heading.

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Oh, you the game is ongoing, so you're not supposed to reference it.

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Hmm, you = and. That was a wierd typo to make.

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What makes you think I deserve your vote, exculding the claim, please STD?

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Ok, well I will briefly talk about Open 76, a game that I participated in.

It is just not the same situation, it's a vanilla nightless game with only lovers, and town lovers have their lover confirmed as innocent, and I checked, my lover is not confirmed innocent to me here.

So, in Polyigamist, lovers are the only lynch choice, and it's also a nightless vanilla game.

Happy?

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I have gone over that god knows how many times now that i'm getting tired of it.

On your second point, it's only one small thing rather consistent scummieness, that gives someone away. I've already said this already.

Considering changing my vote for such crap reasoning.

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^^ Good post.

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Unvote Vote STD

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xtoxm, I've noticed that you have changed your vote a couple of times and it seems to have been lurker votes. Are you looking for a lurker lynch or are you trying to get more posts out of lurkers?

Really? Coincidence.

I'm voting to try and get scum lynched.

Why

would

I have nameclaimed??

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Lol, go ahead and vote for me mate.

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And don't be stupid, ofcourse there are reasons for me to withhold it.

I have confirmed I am a lover with BG.

Scum would want to get their claim out early, town holds it for as long as possible.

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I might be convinceable on a Reborn lynch after that display.

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Unvote Vote Reborn

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Did you just learn about these terms or something?

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I might think one up later, if someone I remotely care about telling asks.

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Yeh - I found that odd too. Got a few things I want to ask him at night

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You guys are the night-talking lover variant?

Yeh, we are! Thought you all knew that.

Got our own little thread and all!

If we also had confirmed innocence it would be great.

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I would have thought looking at Reborn's recent posts is enough.

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If you hadn't picked up, the post you quoted was sarcasm.

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http://www.google.com/search?client=ope ... 8&oe=utf-8

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• His request for me to nameclaim
• His threat to vote me should I not namclaim
• Him voting me when I baited him
• His use of WIFOM to warrant a vote on me, it is by far usually scum who brings this up
• His accusation of OMUS when I said I could be convinced on his lynch

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It's spelled Bonnie on the wiki.

I find it hard to believe Farside would give out an incorrect name spelling, but I also fins it hard to believe she wouldn't give fakeclaims to scum.

I guess she just mis-spelt it...

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I am not misguided.

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No, it's about him being scummy.

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Rock clearly doesn't understand then.

His statemant is just as flawed as you.

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If you knew anything about me, you'd know i'm town this game.

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Think i'm gonna start ignoring him.

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Nah, just keep your vote on me, you might be scum anyway so it won't matter.

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Did you think this statement would do anything?

It was countering the way you spoke as though you knew me well.

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Townies, take note of who is trying to get the lovers lynched today.

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That comment dissapoints me IG. I didn't think you'd say that.

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Yes, i've changed my mind. And i've become more sure in my partner being town.

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Your list is wrong by the way.

the list is Reborn, STD.

Thinktank has said it ages ago and he is protown and has proper reasoning, so he doesn't count.

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Did someone just talk to me?

...No, no there was nothing...

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I want BG back.

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And

what

is it you want to talk about, exactly???

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Thankyou Elvis...

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You're first quote I have gone over countless times, look back.

I might not have presented a case against you as such, but that doesn't mean I don't find you scummy. And it's mostly a case of finding lots of people town looking.

I've explained the EK thing. And apart from anything, i've changed my mind on her.

Also the way he's like "I've decided, lover lynch is bad" then starts voting me and trying to force me to claim out of nowhere. And as with the EK thing, often scum are given away by one small thing, rather than consistent scumminess.

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You have stated "we might get scum" and much later that scum would come out and claim voteless before town would.

The phrase we might get scum seems like an after thought. From my point of veiw, it looked like you were attacking LF for being an unhelpful role before you were attacking him for being scum.

I was. Perhaps i'm too used to playing elsewhere, where that kind of a claim would get you lynched, just for claiming it.

The other concern I have is that you directed your focus solely on him. Did you think anyone else was suspicious at the time?

At the start I did yes, but as you can see, I moved onto other people.

Comments like these seem like cop-outs to me. I want to know the meaning behind them. Is your case mostly just something general?

I missed the word "sometimes" from what you quoted off me.

What do you mean when you say case being something general? I don't really understand.

Just for the record, and I don't think you're thinking this, but I have no opinion one way or the other about your name claim.

Ok, good.

Xtoxm, is there anything else about reborn that you think makes him suspicious?

Well there's the claim changing thing, that's never really good (unless it was an intended fakeclaim, which it wasn't), but other than that not much comes to mind.

Also, as a side note - I am pretty certain that all characters in this game will be from Family Guy, no-one from other places. If it was, I really would be very surprised.

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I think one of the lovers (probably BG's replacement) is scum because of setup reasons and the scummy play (bandwagoning, restating reasoning, early claim).

No. I was starting to possibly think that when she lurked, but no. I am quite confident she is town. And I am town. So we are both town, and this makes us a very bad lynch.

I approve of neither EK nor TT lynch.

Well, maybe TT if it came to it, as a self preservation thing. But it wouldn't be my choice.

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Oh, and setup reasons? Do you want me to point you in the direction of games that have had both pro-town lovers?

That's really crap.

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On your second point, it's sometimes only one small thing rather consistent scummieness, that gives someone away. I've said this already.

That looks better.

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Oh wait, no.

On your second point, it's sometimes only one small thing rather than consistent scummieness, that gives someone away. I've said this already.

Lol.

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Yeh, beat you to it

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All I will say on that is I know I am town, and from BG's actions I am very much sure she is also town, without considering anything to do with setup mechanics.

But if you want to go into that, we've already got, what, 3 town power role claims on the table. On top of that the scum weakened by loverscum...

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Also, i've just noticed...This is one of the longest games on this page of Coney Island, and we're still on Day One...

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Well tbh I can see Llama's being a safeclaim. But he's not for today, he might be able to prove himself with a kill.

I'm back to thinking maybe Kmd for today's lynch...

Or GW, although i've had a town read from him he's not actually done a great deal.

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I think he's given us all he can.

And he said "Dang it all".

And really i'm not thinking he's scum.

And with his claim he'll probably be dying at night anyway.