Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

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that's why i'm not voting there
if i'm being honest and i woke up to see you at l-1 tomorrow morning i would probably hammer to avoid a no lynch but i really think you're flipping town

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althoguh tbf i'm not really sure there's a way to sort nm other than like lynching him given that i don't know what the pr's are and if he's a good one he's not going to be using it on himself, obviously

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i just want to reiterate very strongly for the record that i am Not Happy how this dayphase went

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melody how are you reading me again?

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I don't want to reconsider anymore. Aldus is an excellent infolynch, i think it has a chance to flip red, if he flips green we >99% lose a VT without mech knowledge about the other slots. I'm fine with that. Will be back 10 minutes from deadline to finalize any L-1 situations but otherwise i'm set.

-Farkran

intent to vote aldu

I dont know how many votes he has

If this flips green i am tunneling you and melody tomorrow because i view this to be largely your responsibility and i think melody is scum who has had several counterwagons to the slot today

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VOTE: aldu

6th vote ^

This is going to flip town mist probably and i am really really annoyed at how this day played out including:
- half thr pl lurking
- farkset and melody being stubborn and trying to lynch someone who is town and both refusing to reconsider
- that we lol ran up someone else who is probably town and forced them to claim pr too

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Thanks for the vc
Melody only has 3 votes on them i think

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If this flips green i am tunneling you and melody tomorrow because i view this to be largely your responsibility and i think melody is scum who has had several counterwagons to the slot today

And if i die i very strongly encourage you lot to do this tomorrow

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What will have been the point of day1 then ?
If aldu flips town we can at least go back and look at why that happened (*cough* melody, fark, and csf *cough*)

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I am completely fine with this and i agree. I will fight for my life, but if the aldus wagon turns out to be shit i'll want to look in there

I mean i'm pretty sure the aldu wagon will turn out to be shit and i know exactly where i wanted to look but you shut that down so

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You're at l1, he was onwagon already

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Dc if you're actually cop i strongly encourage you to check jv or nm

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Also:

Jv, doctor drew, datisi, dc, and nm really all need to do more

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It really sucks that the two most lurky slots have the highest score on the draft

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Also:

Jv, doctor drew, datisi, dc, and nm really all need to do more

I’m... the fourth most active slot this game and have actively led a wagon, if you can’t sort me based on that with the expectation that my activity will continue roughly the same unless/until the amount of posting reduces then I can’t help you

Ok that one maybe wasnt fair, sorry

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Why is drew not a thing? Someone said he was a wagon earlier, why did that die?

He claimed neighborizer and its an unlikely thing for scum to pick in the third slot

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I mean really ...

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Wait he claimed neighbouriser and then the wagon disappeared? What page did this happen on and more significantly why does town claim neighbouriser if they have third pick?

Idk but why does scum pick neighborizer id they have the third pick

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Ok i'm updated my lynchpool to include jv

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Wait he claimed neighbouriser and then the wagon disappeared? What page did this happen on and more significantly why does town claim neighbouriser if they have third pick?

Idk but why does scum pick neighborizer id they have the third pick

For this very argument(?)

They would much much rather try to get an actually good pr for themselves imo over making this wifom argument

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Anyways,

@Datisi, skitter, Not_Mafia, DonCorleone

if you guys want we can make a melody lynch happen right now. Otherwise it's just aldus, but eh, i really like how he is responding to EoD arguments

-Farkran

In the like two hours before deadline, no because:
1. I think moving votes around rn increases the odds of a no lynch
2. I have to do work starting soonish so i cant guarantee i can be around to change votes again if necessary
3. They deserve the chance to claim and who knows if they'l be here in the next two hours

The time to do this was a few days ago imo

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The time to do this was a few days ago imo

again i want to highlight that this is something that could and should have happened like several irl days ago but i don't feel like it's reasonable to make this happen in the like 2 hours to deadline

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dp if you were scum in this game how do you think you would be trying to approach me?

farkset how would you feel about potentially voting melody?

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literally a week ago
i've been saying aldu is town the whole game and strongly protesting the wagon
i've been encouraging voting melody for several irl days now

so

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yeah cuz there was no support for melody ...
multiple times over the past week i've been pushing melody and defending aldu so telling me that i should have done more is kinda silly when i activley tried to get your slot to reconsider what you guys were doing multiple times

my scumlist rn is: melody, dp, jv,

slots i don't like but are probably town: dc, csf, farkset, alimida

slot that i don't like and idk their alignment: datisi, nm, dunn

people i townread: aldu, ico, drew

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and yeah i'm kinda annoyed that out of everyone in the game, including multiple lurkers, we decided to lynch one of the like three people i feel really good about townreading

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it upsets me how many people KNOW i'm town but are still voting me

also sorry, i'm really not happy about it either

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i don't think farkran really makes sense with aldu, why are you voting there

VOTE: jv

dc if you're actually a cop i kinda feel like you might as well share results

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it

You're prolly town because it's unlikely you and Aldus agreed to both pick 2.

(also people are going to complain about you clearing me for this reason because i was the first person to bring up the notion of scum not colliding; i'm just pre-empting that and saying i'm aware with it)

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I have a clear on CSF

why not jv or nm

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a few things:
1. dp's posting is probably great but i'm not sure he hammers as a partner when there were still semi-viable other options (including just not voting / showing up)
2. i thought csf's positioning on aldu was probably not partner-indicative
3. i think you should have checked jv or nm because if they're town they're going to end up mislynched at some point, which would suck. that's a very suboptimal check imo

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why JV?

literally looks like scum trying to find any other place to vote than their partner at eod + having like no content + just like read their eod and tell me how that's a townie progression on like anything

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also your push on alimida kinda looks like trying to divert off a partner @dc

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Skitter should never reach lylo. I'm serious. Sorry skit, but the way you were insisting about changing wagons + how you refused to go on melody at the very eod + the voice of disappoint after he was hammered look like professional distancing to me. Your confidence and your refusal to switch votes sound like you were trying to feign absolute ignorance about the flip but at the same time you didn't want to look bad by jumping off of it. If you are town, i will owe you an apology. Until lylo i do want to work together with you though, and i will defend any lynch against you with my life, hoping that i was wrong and we win earlier. A fact stands though, that when i get in any-amount lylo i will immediately vote skitter without even rereading.

i can work with most of this ... until the very last sentence cuz that would lose the game. like i would literally be fine with this if you gave me time to convince you otherwise in lylo, cuz as it stands scum just let us both be in lylo and we lose

you realize that i was given ample oppurtunity at eod to avoid the aldu lynch and i went with it anyways tho,right? i could have forced a nolynch or a melody lynch

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VOTE: Dunnstral, i think it's better to prioritize this given how much he insisted about the vig pick which was just now confirmed picked by town.

also n3 vig and 1s vig are different roles

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Well, you know as much as i do that you are capable of performing a well-mannered bus. But that's not my problem today. If we are both town and we are left alive we should win this game well before lylo.

i'll drop it for right now but if we're both still alive day before lylo i'm going to be trying to talk you out of it cuz i don't want to lose

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dc why do you think you didn't die?

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well this'll be fun to watch

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i low-key think dunn could be town but not cop

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VOTE: jv

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idk

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as in i'm not convinced he's telling the truth but i'm not sure that lying about it makes him scum

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yes, i know

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Except why directly claim a role that you're not as scum? That's the easiest way to just die. I think one is fake-claiming Town and the other is the real person who picked the Cop/[whatever the second one was].

My theory was that he was either the pgo or the vengeful. We now know that Melody had the role that would have been vengeful

AH
ok

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yeah i was hooded

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vla without internet access until saturday night/sunday

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ico is town
wrt to dc i ngl kinda think he's town but the one thing holding me back is that csf is such a bad check that like ... idk. hard to see it coming from town

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he should have checked jv or nm imo

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Dc you really should not have done that. It sounded like a fake-claim, especially the checking csf bit
I think they're both town despite that tho

Fark i dont get the benefit of having jk claim but not the doc/rb slot

VOTE: datisi

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@skitter
why does what you say about dp in 1255 not apply to me and what happened to this:

I also think its low-key unlikely for there to be more than 1 scum in the 1's and 2's combined

a) wrt the end of the aldu wagon - when it looked like other people might be viable, you indicated that you preferred a different lynch, but circled back to aldu once other people shut that down (i said i wouldn't switch, fark revoted aldu)
b) yes that's true and tbh i kinda forgot that you were in the 1's. i don't think that it's a great reason to rule out half the pl tho, and at this point i kinda want to push you a bit given that i feel woefully unimpressed with your content

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I'd still much rather lynch doncorleone today. I don't want him anywhere near lylo.

ok
dc is scum fake-claiming cop ... what does he think the real cop is going to do ... not check him? is he just gambling from like p2 that there isn't a cop?

walk me through what scum!dc is thinking all game

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jv why are you so scummy this game ?

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i know but can he really take that risk as scum?

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The slot should claim. If they kill him, you are left alive, which is a positive outcome for the town.

If you die, we will know that the doc/rb slot is scum.

-Farkran

can you just explain this conclusion again?

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VOTE: doctorpepper

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if on the very off chance there's a town 1s vig who tried to shoot last night but either failed or hit melody, i think you ought to claim that now

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i reassessed and i think there's a decent chance of scum being above aldu in the draft so i want to push there

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well more accurately, a non-2 higher than him in the draft
he was a goon, which means he didn't get what he wanted. if he were the highest player he probably would have tried to make a more conservative pick taht he thought was likely to have gone through
(of course, he may have, but it failed anyways)
but i think there's a decent chance where he was low-ish so tried for something a bit more risky from scum's pov and failed to get it, but felt comfortable trying for it since there was someone above him

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i take it you're townreading me?

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do you have any reads?
why are you sheeping me so much then?

pretty differently, bussing is very much on the table in non-newbie games

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i am very aware of that
i'm talking more about buddying partners than bussing

i'm debating with myself about you and your associates with aldus and rn i don't think it's scum indicative
and i'm fine sheeping you since you probably have better reads than me and you're more invested than me etc

can you give me tldr on ico town? or quote it if you've already made it

i'm not super great at buddying and my instinct is to bus over buddy

ico - his entrance, wherein he very quickly in realtime went:
push skitter -> why isn't skitter on aldu -> looks at aldu's iso -> town!aldu -> skitter is town for defending aldu
looked townie to me at the time

but now that i think about it in retrospect maybe not as much since aldu is scum

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VOTE: doctorpepper

??

Lolwut

why not?
why is this an lolwut vote to you?

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ok, who ought i be voting instead?

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ok, who ought i be voting instead?

@dp

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dunn i think you should check in {nm/dc} tonight

deadline is in like a day and a half, we need to start building a consensus

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doc if they exist ought to be on dunn
jk should not be on dunn
if there happens to be a town watcher who didn't use their shot being on dunn would be a good idea too

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i'm just not super convinced they're scum tbh

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Unless they are confident the Doctor is not there (aka scum took it) and expected mafia not to be lynched D1 to sacrifice themselves to kill the Cop.

this is p much the only way i think that one of the claims might be scum, if scum took the doc/rb role

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ok i'm not vibing dc
i like my doc pepper vote
datisi finally looking a bit townier
i no longer townread ico. i'm slightly worried about how he keeps changing his stances to match mine

dunn getting rb'd is a scumclaim
if there's a doc and they aren't on dunn that's also a scumclaim
watcher if they have a shot ideally i guess ought to be on dunn but i wouldn't like consider it a scumclaim for them not to be

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what part is confusing

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oh to clarify if dunn gets roleblocked claiming rb/jk later would be a scumclaim for the rb/jk

i think you think i'm saying dunn would be scumclaiming?

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jv why are you so scummy this game ?

skitter, what's your take on drew in the PT? has he been active/solving there?

roughly the same as here, i would say

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what do you think are the odds of there being scum in the upper part of the draft, like in drew/fark/NM based on the same logic?

i feel very confident that there's for sure one scum above aldu
the other is either above him or in the 1's

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i'd vote dc if like tomorrow morning when i wake up my vote is needed for a lynch but otherwise i'm not super vibing it

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watcher if they have a shot ideally i guess ought to be on dunn but i wouldn't like consider it a scumclaim for them not to be

Yeah, yours gonna wanna keep me alive for one night longer, so I suggest you find a new lynch

Be on dunn

VOTE: dc

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UNVOTE:

dp why didn't you use your shot last night?

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dp this might be a weird thing to say but you feel less ~organized and precise~ as compared to the newbie which is making me think you're town

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man my ico tr has kinda dissipated and i think i tr dp now too

i really don't know where to vote

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man my ico tr has kinda dissipated and i think i tr dp now too

i really don't know where to vote

cool story and you've been slowly trying to get rid of your tr on me for a while now (is how i feel)

why don't you back it up with something?

i mean:
- i've been rethinking the read in light of the flip + rereading the bits that made me townread you and realized that in light of a scumflip it's not good reasoning for a townread
- i don't think i can lynch you in the next 3 hours
- you've been co-opting my opinions for a while now so i'm nervous that if i'm wrong you're just using me to push your own agenda
- why are you shading me?

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man my ico tr has kinda dissipated and i think i tr dp now too

i really don't know where to vote

Not_Mafia would be a good option

I could get down with icon if we have the votes too, but I don't really wanna bank on everyone on the NM wagon being online again in time to get the pivot off

the thing with nm is that he's very likely a pr and dunn is actually making decent cop checks so i think he'l probably just check him again
i think i'd be down for ico but idk if that's viable in the next three hours or whatever

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man my ico tr has kinda dissipated and i think i tr dp now too

i really don't know where to vote

Okay I've been floaty and disorganized for the past 2 game days now. Why am I town all of a sudden?

You literally scum read me back in Day 1 for being calculated and acting like you think I would

because holistically i realized like last night that you don't actually feel like the scumgame

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i really wish the game woudl be this active more than like two hours before deadline

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do you wanna try icon if you're concerned about NM being PR and being checkable by dunn?

honestly i dont' know
i'm not good at making snap decisions like this, i usuaslly need to think about it for longer
i'm not sure any of these are good options

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Not saying you're not town, it's just I find it hard to believe that Ico would expend so much effort in your lynch when it's beneficial for scum for you to be here

i mean tbf if ico is scum he basically has a 'get-out-of-jail' free card in dc and he might be choosing to expend it now if he feels threatened
not really sure that this exonorates ico

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i think this is tvt unfortunately

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if i had to pick, i'd pick dc unfortunately because:
- he has a claim out there already
- there is some level of wifom that's inherently going to surround him till he's resolved or the game is over

and for these reasons i think he's better than the other semi-viable options (ico, dp, nm)

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like if there was more time i'd have a different opinion but i dont' feel like i can do super much when the game becomes really active like two hours before deadline

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i mean i'm not sure what you want from me
i can't make good decisions when the relevant information happens on a very short timeframe when i don't know who or if will be here to enact those decisions

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like i'm acknowledign you're most likely town
there's a series of bad options in a two-hour timeframe and i have to pick one, and i don't want a no-lynch
i'm doing the best with what i have

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ico isn't going to be here before deadline again to claim presumably
nm is second on the list and he can just get checked by the cop who probably isn't dying tonight given {watch and potential doc}
dp is part of how dunn is going to live through the night, if he's scum either needs to claim blocked (which would be a scumclaim for the rb/jk imo too); give true results and be unable to kill dunn; kill dunn and be forced to make up results (which would probably conflict with a potential doc that visits him)

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like i wouldn't be surrpised if dp is scum and is actually like commuter or something else entirely but he's locked into a claim and if things start looking fishy he just gets lynched at some point

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i can see datisi tbh
my pool is not super big for scum which means something is going wrong

also why does the first slot not just take cop smh

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dunn if you're faking being cop and town i'd be super annoyed

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despite the potential watcher a doc, if they exist, ought to be on dunn

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yeah it's the simplest way to resolve you and the potential doc slot, and to ensure that dunn gets his check in

if dunn dies either you're scum or the doc/rb slot doesn't exist or is scum

if he doesn't he gets a check and we can work on confirming you and/or doc depending on what happens

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like there's a finite set of outcomes and i'm pretty sure we mechanically will get another clear tomorrow if all those people do what they're supposed to

and imo the ideal cop check is nm

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VOTE: dc

again i don't think this is flipping scum but i think it's the best option given the constraints

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that was a pretty weird kill imo
i think we're pretty close to a mechanical solve:

- dunn
- jv
- dunn's n2 clear
- doctor drew if he hooded someone

and that's 4/10 cleared
and then depending on what dp saw last night we might have another one too

it might just be massclaim day and i think we're getting closer to a mechanical solve

i feel like dp should have died tho? like that's weird that he didn't imo

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ok, last scum is {jk, rb, or you}

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not shade so much as i was kinda expecting you to die with that claim

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uhhmmm, did a vig shoot Farkset last night? and would a town jk/rb ever block pepper?

If pepper isn’t lying about his no result, then town necessarily would have rb’d him because they can’t multitask

oh true

ok everyone should claim y/n to being rb or jk

i am neither rb nor jk

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VOTE: not mafia

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Gg everyone, thanks elmo for modding

This was a fun game with a great pl!

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Dc i'm really wondering who you are !

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i'll be smug and say that i got it