Mini 2129 - Anime U-Pick: Shuffle [ALL HAIL THE WEEBS(OVER)]

[Alisae]

And now i can have this thread in my ego!

[Alisae]

My hydra partner has said nothing about anything game related and has just let me been doing the heavy lifting
Like for what
90% of my games where I hydra?
Funny enough, most of those games are games where I randed scum.

It kind of triggers me actually.

[Alisae]

Howdy. I too am a watcher of the anime.

WHAAAAAAAT NO WAY

[Alisae]

Anyways this game kinda sucks no one really wants to play it

[Alisae]

Mario counts as anime right

suuuuuuuuure buddy!

[Alisae]

Gladiator: GuyInFreezer

kekw

[Alisae]

kekw

[Alisae]

he doesn't know pepelaugh

[Alisae]

no?

[Alisae]

bro im not scum

[Alisae]

1 scum in Hiraki Norwee
1 scum in Kerset GiF

Nati town
RCE town
Enter town

that leaves L and Light and Y&T right?

l and light
kerset
and 1 in norwee hiraki

hmmmmmm

now that I think about it and am re-reading Hiraki's case over again
ig i would be willing to trust him on his norwee read.
his push honestly doesn't really seem that honest to me.

I think Kerset is scum but I think L and Light always flips scum here if my PoE is correct so...
VOTE: L and Light

[Alisae]

I don’t think Nati is scum guys

[Alisae]

im pretty confident about kerset being scum at this point
VOTE: kerset

[Alisae]

shoulda voted kerset u potato

[Alisae]

What is your character? Why is it a miller?

Readslist

Torque
Enter
RCE
L/Light
Hiraki
Natirasha
WD
Kerset
Norwee
GIF
YT

I hope I can make it up to you by killing scum tomorrow
Talk to me about WD and YT, Chemist?

I would also like Kerset to reveal her flavor for being a Miller because I do not believe it. Either in thread or by playing a game of telephone through the connected PTs

Kerset claim why you are a Miller and your flavor.

[Alisae]

gobbledygook died Night 1

[Alisae]

as a mafia vigilante seems kinda ?broken?

n1 scum vig is balanced

[Alisae]

is that wahts happening
/shrug

[Alisae]

honestly i don't think tatsuya is even clever enough to come up with n1 scum vig

[Alisae]

balance is relative to what the scum team is composed of

[Alisae]

Nati reactions are extremely scummy. She is playing this game with 0 solve desire and insist that is playing this game properly. The thing is that she has ware about playing things right, which is scum mindset. Combined with lack of need to find scum is concerning combination. The fact that alisae gave her serious townread is unreasonable, because nati made just 22 posts at the time of 999, without readlist or anything valueable then

she concluded scum by POE thanks to that townread

.
Nati is the most informative thing to push atm.

Not really tbh

[Alisae]

Wait did you just say nati is informative to push?

Fucking lmao dude
Yeah ok ur just scum

[Alisae]

My townpool is in Hectic, Ali, Natirasha and RCE. I need more.

Vote: L and Light

Let's begin here today.

This is for future days but if Natirasha flips scum at any point Alisae is the next lynch and kerset is soft town.

I guess that last part is pending L&L's alignment.

VOTE: L and Light

oh ok lets form a wagon on L and Light the-

This game is gonna go downhill quick. Well, could anyway.

VOTE: Kerset if kerset flips town flip Natirasha or Alisae. I'm not interested in anything outside of this pool.

oh...

What is your reason for voting any of them RCE? Just info lynching or?

The chemist wagon mostly. With the recent L&L development there is either scum in {Natirasha, kerset, Hiraki} OR the exact team is {WD, Norwegian, gif} with Y&T as a swing slot

The first subset is nonvoters and has a higher probability of containing scum than all 3 scum being chemist voters.

The Natirasha wagon was great imo since it was forcing hard reads from kerset/L&L but there's no traction. That makes it my preferred lynch even more. Also Natirasha's response of I'm town I don't have to play just trust me, makes me want that lynch more cuz that's garbage.

But whatever Slims the Poe. I'll settle for other slots I think could be scum.

Err I didn't explain I'm explicitly townreading Hiraki and I've removed them from my pool tentatively.

The alternate subset of on wagon voters has Norwegian that I think is probably town as explained so like any of Nati/kerset. I threw in Alisae because of their hard defense of Natirasha and I'm finding it weird.

That's not a public read, that's based on PT discussion. But I gave my reasoning for the Poe when I thought I was getting modkilled so Alisae could bring up leashing the vig claim and narrowing the nonvoters but didn't object to Natirasha being in the pool until I voted there.

Dude
me and nati contain 0 scum imo

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Alright i see what you're thinking. Natirasha seems like the best wagon overall. And i didn't get Alisae's defense of the slot either.
VOTE: NatirashaHer attitude behind her role comes across as town to me.
Her general disinterest in the game comes across as town to me.

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There's your traction.

Lets start with the fact she seems genuinely disinterested in the game and

Bless your heart VOTE: Natirasha

Can we get like an actual wagon going
VOTE: L and Light

Like, I would prefer Kerset but I don't think I have the votes so...

[Alisae]

they softed killing?

[Alisae]

VOTE: kerset

[Alisae]

idc anymore
i just want a scumflip

[Alisae]

VOTE: kerset

idc anymore
i just want a scumflip

Not caring and wanting a scum flip seems kinda inconsistent tbh.

Did you mean wanting a flip in general?

YES

[Alisae]

scum saw vig crumb and tried to doublekill

oooooooooooooooooooh

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:
that feels very organtic to me

[Alisae]

Norwee
Kerset Norwee
Norwee Norwee

Scum town
Town lynch dead town

ok
i do not understand what is going on here at all

[Alisae]

Hiraki I am completely lost dude
I feel like thats an organic thought process tbh

How do you feel about Norwee?

[Alisae]

VOTE: norwee

[Alisae]

re-reading the day phase, i kind of just feel like he's been doin a lot of shadin and not a lot of work or actual scumhunting.
If we probably pushed it hard enough we could probably get support for it.

[Alisae]

Code: Select all

#Light AI secret source code
#version 0.2.11

if post.author == Kerset:
 post("It makes no sense")
else:
 if post.content == opinion_on_someone:
  postRandom("Why do you think that?", Why would that be the case?, Is it just PoE?)
 elif post.content == statement:
  post("I think the other way")
 else:
  return idleState

if else statements kekw

[Alisae]

Choo choo lets get the norwee wagon big

[Alisae]

L and Light and Hiraki come join us!

[Alisae]

Can we lynch norwee

[Alisae]

Vote me pussy

[Alisae]

Why do you think a claimed slot is scum

[Alisae]

Like nati in particular
They claimed and used their role towny

How is that scum bro

[Alisae]

For the record the mod bullied me in pms into using my power.

The Mod was Harassing Me, So I Decided to Use My Worthless Power

[Alisae]

Um, ok. How does that prove anything substantial?

the people who keep on insisting that Nati is scum are actually really scummy imo.

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Also yeah the mod literally sent me two PMs telling me to use my power I was confused but was like whatever and hoped it'd trigger something but it didn't they're just being a dick.

better use it then not tbh

[Alisae]

Like
Nati is so disinterested its town imo
You can’t compare it to scum faking they can revive someone because that had strings attached

[Alisae]

I actually just have a daycop guilty on your slot tbh

[Alisae]

Kekw

[Alisae]

I don’t need to justify them bro
I just wanna be right

[Alisae]

Like
Nati is so disinterested its town imo
You can’t compare it to scum faking they can revive someone because that had strings attached

yea and chemist was so disinterested on day 1 that you made a scumcase based on it

i've never seen chemist play that way imo

[Alisae]

but sure lets discredit me
its not like ur scum or anything

[Alisae]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Honestly, I've thought Norwee was scummy since replacing in, but I am fully aware of my bias of scumreading him, so I've been restraining myself.

VOTE: Alisae Feels a little like Donnie Brasco Alisae kind of maybe

dude you realize i was hard trolling in DB right?

[Alisae]

and I get that you think that mostly because I'm not really putting any effort into the game when I should be, but honestly, I kind of just can't bring the energy to tryhard in the mafia game.
I think Norwee has in general played a scummy day this phase and has in general been just constantly shading everything he could w/o really putting effort into the game itself.

Like, I don't think I could seriously say to myself that Norwee is trying to solve a mafia game.

[Alisae]

Seriously. I'm really confused by post 1372.

And now it just feels like you're saying this because of what RCE said.

You're just making up shit. It had nothing to do with what RCE said.

he is?
How come you didn’t mention it earlier then

[Alisae]

I’ll be around at deadline i feel very disinterested in mafia at the moment.

[Alisae]

Man i really shouldn’t have joined this game
I knew the setup would be bad but I didn’t think it would be so bad that it locks a person’s vote for using their ability.
The fact that Y&T voted early is bad and caused this, but I cant help but think that the mod is so out of touch when it comes to designing fun games, and practically feel insulted that they used the term “lolbalance”, a term that was coined to talk about MY setups when they don’t even understand what made my games fun in the first place.

Anyhow, I don’t care anymore.
Get a wagon to L-1 and I will hammer it.

[Alisae]

VOTE: alisae

[Alisae]

VOTE: norwee

[Alisae]

you have an hour and 24 mins
hopefully i'll check the thread within that time

[Alisae]

best town player in 2020 reps in

scum immediately lose

[Alisae]

love it when Titus steals my wins on a whim

[Alisae]

No you weren't dude
Adu was a previously very townie slot nothing you did did anything to dissuade that

[Alisae]

also shooting Torque was such a gamethrow but Titus replaced in so that makes it okay KEKW

[Alisae]

its a twitch emote titus

[Alisae]

the plan was actually to lynch Norwee D2

[Alisae]

Like I had a good team and I was happy with this rand, even if it seemed like we had issues working together

[Alisae]

Something that did make me feel very uncomfortable all game was that I had no obvious fakeclaim.
Like, I don't mind having to come up with fakeclaims by myself, but there was nothing that I could really come up with that felt genuinely safe within the context of the setup, but that could also be a part of just me not thinking how to play with mechanics a bit more.
Plus, Torque was dead because of lolvigs, so I can make up whatever I wanted.

[Alisae]

I mean
I enjoyed playing with this team and felt like I could adapt to it pretty easily.

I just feel like I haven't played with Norwee enough to understand how to exactly work with him or play with him.

[Alisae]

the plan was actually to lynch Norwee D2

Why didn’t you inform me of this? I would have let myself get lynched.
Honestly, i thought you two were strong players in your own right. But you were so hard to communicate with. Half the time i had no idea wtf i was doing. Or what you two were planning, if anything.

oh I thought I did

[Alisae]

if I didn't thats my bad.

the way I saw it, I think bussing either of us works, but I think bussing you is stronger

[Alisae]

I can be biased on this tho

[Alisae]

btw I think janitoring Nati is really good.
I think Titus needed to be taken out on replace in tho

[Alisae]

I definitely did not want out and I think that could have been communicated better on my end
I also think that my play on my end during D2 or the end of it could have been better, and the reason why you felt that I wanted out of the game was because my play was just lacking

[Alisae]

In fact, i only remember you (Alisae) saying we shouldn’t buss in scum PT. But the plan was for me to get lynched all along? Obviously i’d fight my lynch if i’m not aware of the grand scheme of things.

At that time I said not to bus because it was too early in teh day
once the day started to stall I wanted to bus because it seemed like a good time to bus

[Alisae]

I also felt like that didn't exactly needed to be said with words?

[Alisae]

Like bussing was fun and all, but I was so very outclassed in power roles all by self at the end there that it just didn't matter anymore and o hardly cared

I mean in your role pm you were literally lied to

[Alisae]

yeah
thats also a part of it

[Alisae]

Kerset is a very pockettable player and Enter you did a really good job at pocketting them

[Alisae]

in general, just using the thread to communicate to your partner was pretty townie

[Alisae]

yeah
what enter said is a toughie because all I had to go with was the bits of flavor that was in my PM and what you said about the character

[Alisae]

the only thing that came to my mind was a 50-50 role because my character was apparently delusional but what that role would actually be is beyond me.

[Alisae]

Eh. I'm sorry, I could have invested more. I should have invested more.

I think its fair to say that all 3 of us could have invested more and want to win it more.

[Alisae]

there are some issues in design that I talk issue with and I partially think that Y&T being a complete potato and just using their vote like it was nothing when the role told them "hey, don't use your vote like an idiot" you can blame the mod for IMO.
I'm not sure why you even need to balance a 1-shot vig in the first place. Its a part of the role that doesn't need to exist.

pedit: Yeah I started the mass flavorclaim that was probably something I would do as town here as well.

[Alisae]

like if u as a mod can create something that slows the game down or makes it harder to achieve majority, you can end up getting days like Day 2 where because one person fucked everything up and didn't play their role properly, now the game just sucks

[Alisae]

thats not fun for the player because they're going to blame themselves for fucking up that badly and would (reasonably) get attention for not playing their role correctly
its not fun for everyone else because your vote is your impact on the game and in a majority game, if you can't get enough votes, you can't lynch. So if one player only had 1 vote, and couldn't unvote, then its so much easier to lynch the player that that person voted then anyone else.

Its like putting a free hated modifer on me except it requires another person to use their vote to go out of their way to do it. You only need 5 other people to lynch that person but if you wanted to lynch literally anyone else you need 6.

Also I'm slightly tired so I feel like this explanation is gonna be quite messy and could be said in much simplier terms.

this isn't to say, flame tatsuya, he designed a shit game, its moreso "this is why you don't design like this"

[Alisae]

actually thinking about it
its not THAT bad of a way to balance a role, but if the phrase "With great power comes great responsibility" means anything, this game goes to show that you really shouldn't give that kind of responsibility to your players.
Or its just bitmap thats the problem kekw

[Alisae]

I honestly think from your POV the kill makes sense

[Alisae]

I think just not shooting them right away instead of waiting a bit longer or shooting an unreadable slot is better in that situation.

You can try to see what their reaction is to your claim and if they adjust it in a way that you feel like isn't scummy and is natural then theres your answer

[Alisae]

I mean hey Alyssa its a game of mafia on mafiascum
if you wanna play to have fun more then you want to play to win (not saying that your actions aren't playing to win but rather you can't really play to have fun and play optimally to win at the same time) then you can do that!

Its not like thats bannable because mafia is a casual game

[Alisae]

this game was just fucking weird in general

I don't think I've ever seen a game before now where I felt scum were just better at channeling town than... well, basically anybody from town

usually there's at least 2-3 people that I can just tell are town and this game it just happened to be the entire scumteam

god rand tbh

[Alisae]

I think the one thing that makes me think of you as a good player is the fact that you have your own playstyle that you understand so well.
Just being able to form a playstyle that works for you and then trying to learn and understand that playstyle as much as possible can only help you.

[Alisae]

you have your own playstyle that you understand so well.

lolwhat

my own idea of how I play changes daily

I barely know more about it than anybody else does

oh

[Alisae]

Tatsuya I think u beat yourself up too much when I’m being harsh on you mostly because you look up to me and I’m saying things in a way that make it sound like things suck

[Alisae]

It is 100% okay to admire and respect people for their modding.
You can’t just admire though. If for example, you aspire to make games like me, then look at my games and study them. What went wrong, what went right. What did the players like about the game, what did they hate about the game. What worked and what didn’t work.

Then apply it to your own games. Thats how a game like A Hat in Time was created.

Its okay to still be learning.
To a point, we are all still learning.
Just learn how to value each game you mod as a learning experience