Mini 634 - The Baron's court: Game over

[Gremwell]

yeah sounds like a loss, sounds like it might have been a blocker of some sort

[Gremwell]

if a werewolf is involved, its the only thing I can think of for a beastmaster

[Gremwell]

I don't think speculating about what kind of role Nightson was will be in any way helpful. Its only taking away from the focus of actually scumhunting today.

Vote: Gremwell

Mariyta's inquiry about the role sounds honest, and SL tried to helpfully answer it while at the same time putting the matter to bed in post 8. Gremwell brings it back up again in 10, with a comment that is both untestable and highly distracting. So he gets my vote.

Yeah, there's been alot of hardcore scum hunting 17 posts in.

[Gremwell]

Well now that we're all here

vote raverblood

for horrid sentence structure.

[Gremwell]

It was just a random vote, no need to apologize

[Gremwell]

Nightkilled N0 (in the Baron's guest quarters)

is this an actual mechanic or just flavor? would we all be killed in our night quarters or does it actually tell us something?

my guess goes toward flavor

[Gremwell]

Since I'm at L-2, I'll go ahead and claim.

I am a chancellor, the baron's right hand man. I have no night powers, but I DO have some unique information that might help us find the scum.

any chance you'll be willing to share that information with the group?

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch before deadline)
(4) sekinj – thinktank, Mariyta, raverblood, OhGodMyLife
(1) Rage – MafiaMann
(1) raverblood – Gremwell

Not voting:

Rage, sekinj, Singing Librarian, ThAdmiral

Deadline:

Saturday 9 August 1:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Gremwell]

I'll buy that, anyone want to counter claim?

[Gremwell]

I don't think you've given away too much information, obviously we cant all have B names, I mean we could but that would be like claiming townie.

I for one do not have a name starting with B

[Gremwell]

I don't think a scum pair would be so stupid as to cc together

[Gremwell]

EBWOP, also did it say night choices or night actions? the difference may cause some discrepancies

[Gremwell]

Good posting, if OMGML is lynched then we'd know as much about him as we do about the N0 kill, which is not much. and all we'd know about sekinj is if she was lying or not which would no doubt lead to an OMGML lynch if she wasn't lying, and if both of you are trying to tell the truth to the best of your ability, then that leaves us with two dead townies.

[Gremwell]

Unvote

[Gremwell]

that's really up to the Mod. and if it really is the case that most of us have powers then I don't see anything wrong with using a uniform PM setup.

[Gremwell]

Ok I'd just like to clarify this,

sekinj- you claim barons chancellor, a role with no power/night action, but instead has a list of clues that you don't know if their true


ohgodmylife- you claim to not have a power/night action, and refuse to give any other information

I'm not digging for any new information I'd just like to make sure we're all on the exact same page

[Gremwell]

I'm going to be on limited access at best, possible V/LA from this monday until friday, depends on the wifi on the ship, I'm posting thin in all my games. I'd really rather not but if you absolutely need to you can replace me.

[Gremwell]

ok back now but I have a lot of reading to do so I'll post something soon

[Gremwell]

vote ogml

though I think the jester role would fit well in "the barons court"

[Gremwell]

I voted OGML because we were at deadline and approaching a NL, which stated in the rules would result in bad things for the town. What else could I do in that position? As for useful posts I am sorry about that, and you can expect that to change.

All in all it doesn't seem enough to warrant a vote.

[Gremwell]

As for your reasoning behind your hammering vote of OhGodMyLife, you probably should have mentioned that when you were actually doing the vote. Now that other players have said that they were afraid of the deadline, and I'll admit that I didn't like the consequence, scum could easily slide on "I was afraid of the deadline".

It would make little difference if I said that in my post or after it, people had already mentioned before my vote that a no lynch would be extra bad for the town so it would still be a null tell.

What about those who didn't vote? Did you not vote because you were in favor of a no lynch, or you didn't think there was enough reason to vote for anyone.

I felt that regardless of how I felt of OGML that a mislynch> a No lynch, that said, from what I was able to reread at the time his refusal to claim to save his skin was reading scummy to me and he would have most likely been my first choice anyhow.

[Gremwell]

@Rage, I don't see why you're so fixated on me today, I'm not trying to say that what I did was the town's saving grace, just that it is a null tell.

A townie who shows up close to the deadline and casts the only choice to avoid the no lynch, Or a scum who did the same thing to appear as town.

Me personally, if I were scum I would like to see what the consequences were so I knew if it was worth forcing a no lynch later on.

[Gremwell]

I'm male, in game and in life

[Gremwell]

OGML's role may have had a post restriction of sorts, and that's what his nickname was alluding to. I don't know what his restriction could have been, but I'll look back and see if I can see a pattern or something.

[Gremwell]

Ok, looking back now I really don't think that a post restriction is the case, OGML asked for clarification of the info almost right after it was posted, it would seem he was considering ccing but wanted to be sure first. His post was missed at first but then addressed a few pages later followed by his claim.

Now a question for sekinj: you said in an earlier post that you received an anonymous letter N0, is this correct? And if that is in fact the case, did you receive another letter tonight?

If so receiving a letter may be your night action/choice/whatever and OGML was just so sure of his CC that in his eyes you had to be scum.

One thing I noticed on a reread was that looking back, thadmiral was talking the most sense of anyone here.

[Gremwell]

well are you able to send letters or correspond with the source of the info in some way?

[Gremwell]

eh, thought I might have had something there

[Gremwell]

It's kind of hard to say right now, hence me not voting, but I would have to say Mariyta tops my list right now for her play D1, nothing really so far D2. But I also feel she's putting herself out there a lot and that makes me look at Singing Librarian who seems entirely off the radar, I am interested to see what comes of the thinktank line of questioning but right now I don't see enough.


I'm not sure if this was ever mentioned before, and I didn't see anything about it on the front page.

How many scum are we looking at? 2 or 3? if it is 3 then we are at LyLo effectively, the reason I bring this up is because with so many power roles it seems odd that we have no real direction after 2 nights, my guess is that most of our roles are nerfed a bit

Vote count

(8 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)
(1) Gremwell – Mariyta
(1) sekinj – Rage
(1) thinktank – sekinj

Not voting:

Gremwell, MafiaMann, raverblood, Singing Librarian, thinktank

Deadline:

Thursday 4 September 2:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Gremwell]

Gremwell: OMGUS much? Also, only the scum really know how many scum there are. You should know that. My vote stays.

Just because you're the person who asked me you should be cleared of all suspicion? Nice try

[Gremwell]

I'm also here, right now I don't see the case on Mafiamann but I'll look back thriugh and see if anything grabs me

[Gremwell]

Dispel Sekinji

[Gremwell]

I'll explain later

[Gremwell]

It's not sarcasm and not real, don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't believe your claim, I was just looking at this with a healthy dose of skepticism. It would be easy to claim some sort of power like that, that can't be proven.

What I'm most curious about is why you must declare it in thread rather then as a night choice, I don't expect an answer, and am not looking for a claim, just something that was bugging me.

[Gremwell]

I fail to see what makes your actions town and my actions an attempt to seem town. There is nothing making me any more scummy than you. You've been all over the place, and dropping votes with little or no case on the person. IIRC quite a few people were ready to let you swing D1, the only thing that stopped them was the few pushing the binary lynch on OGML.

[Gremwell]

@grem: I'd like to see you post a case on someone anyway

so what does this mean? we'll all take a break as the deadline nears and put one player on the spot?

I haven't posted a case on anyone because I haven't seen enough evidence on any one to justify a vote at this point.

One question I'd like everyone on the OGML lynch to answer is why you voted for him? Specifically those who were first few on the wagon,

My reason for voting was to keep us from going to a no lynch, which, had this been a normal game I would have preferred, because looking back, he was not the best choice. I posted my vote quickly and with little support because I was worried about being locked out of the thread, by the two posts before mine.

[Gremwell]

for the record quantity of posts =/= quality posting

[Gremwell]

Yes, lets get into personal shots, I believe the game is supposed to be about scum hunting and building cases on others, rather than asking them to build a case on you.

Since you will no doubt respond some where along the lines of "lets see some more of that from you" I'll save us all the time and post what apparently passes for worthwhile participation with you.

@Mariytia: you're the one with a vote on me so I'd like to see the case actually spelled out rather than alluded to, burden of proof is on the prosecution.

[Gremwell]

for the record quantity of posts =/= quality posting

You have neither, so I guess you don't need to worry. Where's the case on me? I'm waiting to be ripped to shreds.

qft

And then you wonder why you have double everyone else's posts, but what does this say? absolutely nothing. How does it help the town or even really relate to the game? It dosen't.

[Gremwell]

I'll not be posting a case on you, because I do not have one, which I have said at least once already.

The reason I put on my list of suspicion is firstly because your quick flip onto OGML and being one of the first on his wagon. And secondly it seemed you were becoming increasingly defensive with little or no reason.

However looking back on post in isolation I decided I don't have enough to justify a vote so I have withheld my vote accordingly.

[Gremwell]

well let me pose one more question first,

singing librarian and thinktank, why did neither of you vote for OGML?

Vote count

(8 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)
(1) MafiaMann – Singing Librarian
(1) sekinj – Rage
(1) thinktank – sekinj
(1) Gremwell - Mariyta

Not voting:

Gremwell, MafiaMann, raverblood, thinktank

Deadline:

Thursday 4 September 2:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Gremwell]

Umm... Because he didn't come off as scummy...

be that as it may, wouldn't a mislynch be preferable to a no lynch?

[Gremwell]

vote thinktank

for what its worth. I agree, looks like we're staring down a no lynch

[Gremwell]

Post your case then please

[Gremwell]

Ok, we had a no lynch yesterday and so far no ill effects, not only that but no one died last night, I'm just wondering if I'm the only one wondering why?

as for a claiming I would also have no problem claiming myself.

And as for not participating, there are several players doing less than me, but if you must have a case from me on someone . . .

sekinj, most obviously for the first day binary lynch, most of us believed it was one or the other, and near the end OGML attempted to reconcile any misunderstanding either of them may have had.

The claim seems much to early in the game and so far is zero for one in the information we've been given.

and yesterday, in a time where we had little or no leads, no attempt was made to use one piece of that information to formulate some semblance of a lead.

[Gremwell]

Gremwell, could I get this cleared up, from your most recent post:

Ok, we had a no lynch yesterday and so far no ill effects, not only that but no one died last night, I'm just wondering if I'm the only one wondering why?

1. Why what?
2. No lynches usually give the Town more information because we get to see who Scum targets, usually correlating to what suspicions were thrown in the Day before.

In this game specifically we were told that if a no lynch occurred that there would be additional negative effects for the town.

I can think of only one player who has contributed less, content-wise and not total posts, than you throughout the game, Raverblood. Could you name the others?

the perston I had in mind was Singing Librarian, who is now replaced.

Underlined: "Binary lynch" as in, "Either Sekinj or OhGodMyLife is scum"?
Italics: Yet you put the hammer vote on OhGodMyLife, and we still don't exactly know why.

Yes that's what I meant by Binary lynch, and the reason I hammered, as stated before, was to try and avoid the negative effects, that now don't seem very apparent.

My claim or my request to Raverblood?

No sekinj's claim on D1

I think Grem is just going for the easy target.

you requested that I post a case on ANYONE, and while reading back your's was the case that stood out the strongest.

[Gremwell]

no one else finds it odd that there was no kill/ill effects last night/today?

[Gremwell]

I've already said I'm fine with claiming, so has Rage, just waiting on the majority to weigh in.

[Gremwell]

if there are 3 scum then we're at MyLo

[Gremwell]

I meant mislynch and lose

[Gremwell]

Banners flutter and shrill signals announce the arrival of a new player. Enter Cass

Is this a coincidence, or the negative effect we were promised? I'll hold off claiming for right now, I think this warrants another claim vote

[Gremwell]

I didn't mean right away......

I'm talking about the guy who asked which was worse for the town. A no lynch, or lynching someone who was town.

Ok I kind of figured we were all on the same page with this but I guess I'll post it here.

Deadline

: Each day will be deadlined to :arrow: approximately 3 weeks, depending on my real life issues (no extensions planned). If we reach a deadline without a lynch there will be negative consequences for the town, beside the missed lynch that is.

[Gremwell]

I can't see why think would be fixated on my other that as an OMGUS

but I'm glad that cass has at confirmed selinj's information for now at least.


Isn't it possible that there we started with less than the full number of scum and now the mod has added another. I know it's not likely and not really a topic for discussion today but I think its important to keep an eye on everyone.

[Gremwell]

I was just pointing out that anyone can post something cryptic in bold, not that I disbelieve MM just that it does not confirm him

[Gremwell]

I'm on board for a name claim 100%

[Gremwell]

My name is Zander Ponderly

[Gremwell]

not sure what to make of this right now.

sekinj, was the bit about the B in the name true? or were you laying a trap?

[Gremwell]

I think unless you're about to claim otherwise that it currently does

[Gremwell]

I don't think it is so much a unique win condition as it is an additional lose condition

[Gremwell]

my top two would be

quints, for the initial push on sekinj, which now since challenged is steadily starting to flip

think- for what looks to be grasping at straws with his last post and an all around sense of him throwing his opinion around without really knowing whats going on

Also MM for the recent silence when being questioned directly.


on an unrelated note, did anyone have their vote stolen last night?

[Gremwell]

I was saying quints seems to be flip flopping on sekinj, but the way you put it, that is little reason to be suspicious right now.

I find the letter argument more important right now, and I do buy your claim, whether its a town role or not remains to be seen. but I do know someone has been sending letters, based on that I'm inclined to believe you.

as for my recent silence I didn't know there were questions being directed at me recently, and as for my speedy reply my other game just closed and the others are in night so I have more focus to devote to this game now.

[Gremwell]

And, yes, Gremwell, you do know that at least one letter has been sent.

just to clarify, are you saying that you sent me a letter? because if so, something is amiss, I received no letters.

[Gremwell]

That doesn't surprise me at all. If I'm remembering correctly, we know that the threat comes from close to the Baron (who closer than the Baroness?), and common lore always has the bad guy (or girl) hooking up with the local sorcerer to cause problems. My vote stays.

This is nothing more than playing outguess the mod, I agree that Qwints isn't cleared, but no one really is

[Gremwell]

I answered that twice in thread already, this will be the third

I was just pointing out that anyone can post something cryptic in bold, not that I disbelieve MM just that it does not confirm him

[Gremwell]

@ Rage: I'd like to clear something up, I posted this before but maybe you missed it. I said that I knew that someone was sending letters, not that I received one. I went on to say that if you did send me one that something was amiss as I did not receive any letters of any kind.

[Gremwell]

@gremwell, are you saying that you did not get a letter from rage, but that you believe rage's claim anyway?

this is exactly what I am saying

@rage: the reason I know has to do with my role

[Gremwell]

I have no problem voting for MM but I'll hold off on hammering just yet, so we can have a bit more discussion.

[Gremwell]

I find the current case on MM more compelling, especially the recent responses to the pressure. the mansion/palace mix up seems a tad suspect, my pm was very clear as to my quarters, nothing descriptive of it, simply,

Night quarter: "X"

I don't see what there was to not understand

[Gremwell]

I thought there were only 3 letters you sent out rage.

[Gremwell]

I thought there was some discussion as to whether quints received a letter or not.