Ok, my promised post. This might take a bit.
Regarding the game (my feelings in parenthesis) - this isn't a post by post of the game, but it will have a LOT of posts noted for information for name-matching.
Page 2:
SSK COPIES the quote from Gorrad in the first run of this game.
Adel questions it (funny thing is that her statement about people voting for their partner had already came true in the first day).
Synopsis:
Day 2 is the start, but not much happens.
Page 3:
Nameless agrees with it with the argument of simplicity for the town.
Forbid agrees with it with the argument of killing one mafia kills them all (I'm not sure what I think about this in retrospect - the reasoning)
I say not to claim due to an increased abilitiy to read voting patters and to look for scum slipups. I say it is inevitable though.
Adel sees no reason to claim day 1.
SSK says it makes sense.
SSF says it makes sense.
Nameless FoS's SSK/SSF and says that without claims there's more of a chance for mislynch (I dont like this much either).
Gimbo chimes in stating townies wont lie (sure), it forces the scum to split into pairs(sure) and is better for the town (not sold). HE then says that town pairs wont vote together without a massclaim (WTF).
Forbid agrees with Gimbo
SSF states loves shouldn't always vote the same way (GOOD).
Chlesea agrees and states anti-claim.
Adel plays the other side (what it would gain us)
Harvey Pew says the pairs will be much more linked (VERY TRUE - I like this a lot; even though its obvious, the fact it was said so early and matter of factly strikes me as a good mark).
Forbid agrees again.
Chelsea changes her mind on it due to Adels remark (This strikes me as almost too quick a change of mind)
Gimbo says he's at standby
NEXT Post, claims scum, starts with the WIOFM as such:
- 1.) If he's scum he's confusing the town (WHY would you do this)
2.) If he's town he cant be lynched without scum votes (again, this would only take 1, not a whole mess)
3.) He states lynching the lone-voter on him (In the situation above, this would work, but with a pair of two scums it sure wouldn't).
4.) He says if the scums ignore this plan he's somehow town (WHAT)
5.) He says that (not lynching him) we should random vote (WHAT) and then tomorrow it'll be 50/50. (GOD THIS PLAN HURTS MORE REREADING IT)
Synopsis:
Here we look into the eyes of the beast. Nameless and Forbid agree, but with different reasons; rereading I dont like Forbid's reasoing near as much as Nameless's. SSK and SSF agree with Adel very rapidly and dont say much aside from the agreement; again, I dont necessarily like the rapid agreement and not much being sad otherwise. Nameless FoS's the partially for what I said (good) but also for increasing mislynch (bad). Gimbo agrees with the BAD part of what Nameless said and Forbid agrees (VERY BAD). Chlesea's agreement and rapid switch in stance strikes me as odd. Harvey makes a valid, if kind of obvious point, but I still like it. Gimbo then jumps into the storm.
Page 4:
SSF asks if they just claimed scum.
Gimbo votes Chelseafan by his own rules (randomly?)
Chensi then claims saying he'll die (WHAT, in retrospect this is really weird)
Gimbo says they are 'lovers' because he doesn't know their alignment (Well, duh, why)
Chenshi says they are obviously town (WHAT)
Knight says all 4 are scum and votes with Gimbo for Chelsea (what - although if it is Gimbo/Forbid/SSF/Knight this play kind of makes sense)
Chenshi makes another useless post.
Knight changes his vote to flea (Why flea?)
Gimbo says Knight is being scummy (and based on his join date) but only HoS's him (again, the random on Chelsea is ok, but only an HoS on Knight for something he says is scummy)
I make the stantement Gimbo is insane and flea is shaking his head.
Gimbo FoS's most of the game (GOD)
Adel pokes a hole in Gimbo's plan and makes a statment about his random vote then votes for Gimbo(GOOD)
Gimbo's reply is a meta-read on Adel and a vote saying its not an omgus (P.S. It is)
Harvey says gimbo makes his head hurt but that he would unvote him if not for the message it would send (WHUT)
Gimbo pushes his plan again.
I make my first argument why Gimbo's plan is bad (GO ME) and vote for Gimbo. I also state, for the first time, if Gimbo is town we lose if he's alive on day 2.
Flea shakes his head (this could be for a million reasons)
Synopsis:
Gimbo keeps pushing his plan. Chenshi and Knight make very odd (bad) plays and Adel pokes some holes and one side of Gimbo's plan which I do the others. Not a lot of reads on other players. I dont like Harvey worrying about what the unvote might do; but I can -kind- of understand it with the importance of avoiding the mislynches.
Page 5:
Harvey says, even with some claims, that he wont claim and is leaving the decision up to his partner (Good)
I show my irritation some at how this is going.
Knight votes for Gimbo (What)
Gimbo says that he expects to get lynched and scums are going to be screwed day 2. Says all of us (most of the damn game at this point) is scummy for not following his lead. Votes for Knight because he's the noob out of the 3 of us voting for him (WHAT)
Gimbo tries to meta me. then multiposts on Knight.
Adel says she expected the scum to break before the game starts and to be the biggest proponents of a massclaim (I agree). She says today should be about lynching the scummiest person.
Gimbo says voting for the scummiest person defeats the purpose of lover pairs (WHAT) and that judging a pair makes it easier to get a read on them (So far, this game, thats sure not true).
I say Gimbo's plan helps scum more than town (Go ME)
Adel says, again the strongest proponent of a massclaim to be scum (I agree)
Chenshi makes another blah post (WHAT)
Nameless agrees with SSF about voting together (Good), agrees with my points on Gimbo (Good). Doesn't vote for Gimbo because of WIFOM reasons (not so good, but understandable)
Adel mentions a Nameless / Gimbo connection (based on the not-vote at this point in the reread I disagree).
Nameless mentions Adel picking a strange part of his argument to attack.
Knight thought it was weird 2 pairs claimed right away (true) and that it was a scum tactic to get the last pair lynched (sure). Says even if he's town he deserves to die for that (bad)
Adel says the HoS + Attack on her shows a connection (I can see it, dont agree at this point)
Gimbo says Adel is scum (wrong, woo)
Adel asks why he's not voting for her (good question)
Synopsis:
Then way Chen claimed doesn't make sense. Gimbo, again, spends most of this page focused on his plan and how those not following are scummy. Says Adel is obviously scum without explaining why. I, personally, like Nameless and Harvey here.
Page 6:
Gimbo votes for adel.
Nameless repsonds to Adel in a very calm manner (good)
Gimbo explains his vote: Knight is noob, I haven't given reads, so Adel is scum (P.S. all 3 of us are voting for him, so this is an amazing OMGUS)
Chenshi manages to look at all of the previous days and post one thing (Blah)
I and Adel tell him its OMGUS
Knight says no one in his group is voting for others in the group so they are scum (WHAT). Suggests voting for chelsea to prove flea is scum (WHAT). Doesn't want a lynch, but jsut to see if flea will move his vote. If he does, they're all mafia, flea is mafia trying to frame chelsea or is a worthless town. If he moves it, he's mafia or innocent with Gimbo (WHAT).
Gimbo says the plan is dumb (it is) asks Knight (who he says is a noob over and over) about me and Adel.
Knight says if we go through he reveals and the town wins tomorrow (not following)
Chelsea, of course, asks why they are lynching her to prove flea is town or not.
Gimbo and Chelsea have some dialogue (If Knight is right after this game is over I swear)
Synopsis:
This page is dominated by Knights "plan" - mostly by the parties involved he says are scum. Now, I dont agree with his plan but the interplay between them on this page is really off and I dont like it. In isolation, part of me could think Knight MAY be right in his call... and that scares me.
Page 7:
SSF chimes in to explain why the plan is bad.
Harvey says almost the same reasons right after (this is strange, but only 7 minute lapse)
Forbid claims with Knight and FoS's Namless for not revealing (WHAT - she just NOW did more than a few pages/days later) says is staying on chelsea because lover is as per Gimbo's instructions on page 3 (WHAT)
Gimbo shows the 3 pairs, says at minimum 2 scum are in the unclaimed (this strikes me as odd, but, as we'll see, if Gimbo is scum I think his partners have claimed at this point so, yes, he would be saying one of the claimed sets (but not both) is town). Calls a meta on me again.
Harvey says the FoS doesn't make sense. Says he's in favor of claiming but is leaving it up to his partner (I dont think he said he was in favor before this point, big uh oh).
Gimbo makes a post about the logic of his above.
SSF explains why it was not good (this is very interesting)
I tell Gimbo I am going to agressive (I've been) and the meta arguments and his OMGUS's aren't really doing any good (they aren't).
Chenshi loverfishes on Harvey (Bad considering other evidence)
Gimbo says nice (confused why he would like this)
SSF votes for chen (lover's confusion here?)
Firestarter says we shouldn't rush and take our time (duh, but good)
chenshi asks what's fishing (WHAT WHAT)
Nameless claims with Firestarter.
Forbid unFoS's nameless.
Synopsis:
Forbid, Chenshi and Gimbo all feel real bad here. SSF really throws a wrench in trying to direct his lover but, hell, that could be any alignment the way this is going. Harvey has two really strange posts in relation to everything else going on.
Page 8
Gimbo shows the breakdown, shows that only 4 are left, says its anti-town now to not claim (Blah). Says Adel isn't a town player. Asks what he would have to gain from this all if he was scum (its been explained). Says Adel isn't claiming because she's scum and it'll change her play (it's not and she isn't).
Knight votes for me because of my reaction to the massclaim (what).
Gimbo says that Adel and I are scum with most likely Nameless and Firestarter as our partners. Says that there's the lowest change of chelsea and chen being scum (very interesting).
Adel explains why not to massclaim and asks some questions to Gimbo and to SSF about his vote for chen for fishing when, well, look at Gimbo.
I ask why no one has said ANYTHING about me showing why this is a good scum plan.
Chelsea defends chen (of course) but argues with Gimbo's logic (good).
Forbid votes for Gimbo, tells Knight to as well - says LAL (weird, she's been following his plan most of the game).
Knight says he wants to vote me, and if I'm not maf, Gimbo is (Woow).
Gimbo says kill Adel or I first, then if we're town lynch him tomorrow (Wow).
Forbid refuses to vote for me because I'm not scum (yay).
Synopsis:
Forbid's play is weird when taken as a whole, but I can partially understand. Knight made a very bad play. The rest was mostly Adel / Gimbo going back and forth...and my opinons are known on that.
WELL, Its midnight and i've got 9-13 left. They'll be there tomorrow as well as some other notes I've got.
Vote: Gimbo
