Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

Farkran · Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:11 am

I mean, he's the backup mod, it's pretty obvious he can bypass player protections

Farkran · Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:48 pm

In post 2841, Bitmap wrote: How do you know stun mechanics again?

Stun is one of the statuses i can inflict on my vote, but it has the least chance to be applied because it's also the most powerful.

Poison is the least powerful and the most likely to apply, and that's how i poisoned chemist d2. If you check the d1 VCs (or my iso), chemist was the second-to-last vote i made before switching to pops.

By comparison, stun is applied 10% of the time whereas poison is applied 80% of the time.

Aren't you informed of my fullclaim though?

Farkran · Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:51 pm

I never stunned salamence. He lied.

I never stunned anyone.

Farkran · Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:56 pm

He didn't rolecop anyone because he didn't have enough mp to use his magia

Farkran · Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:15 pm

In post 2848, Bitmap wrote:Why would he lie about getting stunned like wtf???

We have proof that scum researched the magireco database, otherwise pops wouldn't have claimed a plausible bodyguard magical girl (she claimed sayaka, who is a protective girl, remember?)

My guess is that they assumed stun would be present in the game, he had to make up some bullshit about not being able to produce a rolecop report, and he said he was stunned. It was a plausible claim, but he didn't know that stun also limits votes.

Farkran · Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:59 pm

Fake claims from a mod? What do you mean?

Farkran · Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:06 am

In post 2856, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 2855, Farkran wrote:Fake claims from a mod? What do you mean?
mod providing town versions of the scum roles

Did this ever happen before?

Farkran · Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:16 am

In post 2863, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 2834, Farkran wrote:
Kerset is the charmer and has confirmed another of his powers. He could bypass bitmap's protection with his charm, but 1. He charmed alchemist, 2. Bitmap didn't claim charmed. Plus, as i said, if scum had access to charm mechanics, they wouldn't have claimed stunned.
Where did he claim this? I saw his doppel claim, but not his Charmer claim.

Neighborhood

Farkran · Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:28 am

I fully take the blame for outing partial neighborhood info

Farkran · Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:29 pm

So, we know that there is 1 scum (actually are we sure of this?), that at least 1 person lied about his own abilities, and we are aware of a lot of confirmed abilities.

Confirmed stuff:
TL neighborizing powers
TL other power described in the neighborhood
Kerset's Charm ability
Kerset other power described in the neighborhood
Farkran's vote poison ability
Farkran's knowledge of Stun mechanics
Chemist's knowledge of Fog mechanics
Chemist's +25% mp boost ability
Alchemist was charmed
Suji can kill

Then there are a lot of other, unconfirmed claimed things which can be more or less likely to be true:
All of bitmap fullclaim
All of gamma fullclaim
Chemist magia and remaining powers
Farkran magia and remaining powers
Kerset magia/doppel
Suji other powers

And lastly there are things that we know nothing about:
Alchemist fullclaim

Some of these things will be confirmed in the next days, either by proof or by flipping the recipients.

Farkran · Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:41 am

Bitmap vote is now enough to hammer (L-4)

Farkran · Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:46 am

Because i was the consensus scumread at the time and pops probably instructed them to do so? By the way, everyone except kerset, evenstar and RC voted me at some point

Farkran · Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:50 am

If RC didn't save me i would be dead now, so there were plenty of town voting for me. Also gamma happened to be one of the first on my wagon, it makes plenty of sense if he wanted to save pops. Then pops opportunistically switched onto me, and salamence tunneled until day end.

Farkran · Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:31 am

Based on stuff that came up in the neighborhood, i want my vote-based ability to be targeting Alchemist, so

VOTE: Alchemist

I will vote gamma again in the next post

Farkran · Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:31 am

VOTE: gamma

Farkran · Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:25 am

In post 2928, Kerset wrote:The odds are really low but perhaps chemist is reflector and will remove one vote from suji.

This is a good idea, let's do it. I think suji ability removes 1 vote from someone's disc, not from the VC. At least that's how i interpreted it.

Suji can you remove 1 vote from chemist's disc?

Farkran · Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:43 am

In post 2930, Sujimichi wrote:I remove a vote from my target if they have three or more votes. I don't remove a vote from someone's disc.

Oh. How is that useful? What happens if, say, everyone unvotes and revotes that target?

Farkran · Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:45 am

I mean are you sure that doesn't mean 3 votes from his disc, rather than 3 votes from the VC? Does your ability specifically say votes from the vote count?

Farkran · Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:00 am

It sounds ... completely useless, if it works like that.

By the way i guess kerset can vote sujimichi and then you can try removing a vote from chemist?

Farkran · Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:22 pm

In post 2939, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:
MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING
VOTECOUNT 3.6

Gamma Emerald
(4P, 8V,
L-3
): Farkran (2), TemporalLich (2), Kerset (2), Sujimichi (2)

Chemist1422
(1P, 3V): Alchemist21 (
3
)

Sujimichi
(1P, 2V): Chemist1422 (2)

Not Voting (2 players, 8 votes)
: Gamma Emerald (
3
), Bitmap (
5
)

With a total of
21
votes, it's
11
to lynch.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2019-12-20 11:00:00)

So it worked like i thought, suji removed 1 vote from Chemist disc, not from the VC. The requirements for a lynch has also been reduced from 12 to 11 due to this

Farkran · Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:24 pm

And no reflection happened. Ok, i have nothing to add to this day, if we want alchemist to claim it's ok, otherwise we can move on

Farkran · Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:35 pm

We have to flip gamma first because of his abilities. Chemist can be handled.

Farkran · Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:13 am

Farkran · Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:42 pm

Chemist is stunned. Notice the 1 vote. He cannot have killed anyone.

Farkran · Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:44 pm

In post 2971, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 2969, Bitmap wrote:Ok so basically useless. Can you claim now?
May as well. My character is Kokoro Awane. Being bulletproof is basically all I'm good for.

This is not a fullclaim

Farkran · Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:46 pm

Also yes, i have been poisoned and fogged again

Farkran · Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:56 pm

Seeing how kerset was the target, i think he has successfully baited the nk with his doppel claim. The last scum is someone outside the neighborhood. {Chemist, alchemist, sujimichi} apply.

Chemist is stunned, so he couldn't do anything.

Alchemist was charmed last day, it's unlikely.

I think sujimichi could actually be our last scum if he lied about his magia. Looking at the scum role PMs, it seems that the factional kill is independent from the player discs, so... if sujimichi's magia includes a strongman ability that he didn't tell us about, it's very possible that he killed twice in n2

Farkran · Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:13 pm

Careful with votes though.

Alchemist, you must fullclaim now.

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:04 am

Stun also blocks night kills. Chemist is cleared.

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:17 am

So, here's where i am at.

From my pov there are 3 possible scenarios:

1) alchemist is scum with some strongman passive that he didn't talk about.
2) bitmap is lying about being a bodyguard. Pops and bitmap planned about claiming the same thing, so one of them would have been lynched while the other gains pseudo-conftown status.
3) sujimichi is scum with a killing magia that allows him to kill twice (one from factional night kill and one from his magia).

The problem is that someone

MUST be lying

, because i have been poisoned and fogged again, and it cannot be chemist because stun prevents everything, including passive abilities.

Now... i thought it through again and actually it's very unlikely that sujimichi has access to a strongman magia that allows him to kill twice AND fog+poison, so he's probably not our liar.

Alchemist was charmed n2 and NOBODY claimed poisoned+fogged d3. This makes me think that he is the poisoner/fogger and therefore he lied about his abilities - but he also needs a strongman ability for having killed Severa while bitmap was protecting him.

Bitmap, on the other hand, has confirmed NONE of his powers so far. He has only two redeeming qualities: 1) he counterclaimed scum, but this could be a very well orchestrated bussing strategy; 2) TL knows something that makes bitmap LESS likely to be lying, but the chance is still there. IF bitmap is the liar though, he didn't use his poison/fog abilites on n2, which does not make sense to me.

Both alchemist and bitmap have kinda bad VC records. Bitmap possibly has the worse one because he joined very late on pops (only when he counterclaimed her) and he dodged the salamence wagon - he actually tried to defend him while i was counterclaiming his Stun status (see 2382 and around, check his ISO). Alchemist hammered pops, and was on salamence wagon, although late.

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:18 am

@Bitmap do you have ANY failure chance on your BG protection ability?

This is very important so i'll repeat myself: is there ANY CHANCE that you DO NOT SAVE your target when he is targeted by a factional kill?

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:19 am

@mod, can you doublecheck for errors today? i.e. are all statuses, passive abilities, etc, working as intended?

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:46 am

Ok, thanks <3

Waiting for bitmap

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:33 am

I don't know, that's a question for TL

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:36 pm

TL check the neighborhood please

If the answer is positive, you can hammmer alchemist

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:05 pm

VOTE: sujimichi

Just making use of my vote ability while i talk to TL, i have no real intention of pushing suji today

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:19 pm

YEAH

We're the best.

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:19 pm

Sorry bitmap, my paranoia about you was huge

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:21 pm

In post 3048, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can you literally delete all my posts from all dead pts

I wanted to read them

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:27 pm

By the way i'm taking pride in having been targeted by alchemist twice with his fog/poison stuff

Pedit: we did gamma and alch though, we weren't that much out off

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:17 pm

In post 3085, Kerset wrote:
In post 3075, Bitmap wrote:
In post 3073, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:
In post 3068, Bitmap wrote:lol TL's doc protect ability was a big meme lmaooo
I always felt a bit rude when I apply a red herring to someone, I hope you apologize for my sin (it was taken from the game's story though, which included spoilers, whoops)
You literally gave him neighborizer which actually kind of was one of the most OP skills that was used this game.
My charm was only good for blocking magia and it still didn't work on scum one

lol kerset, your charm was almost negative utility in this game

you have been really, really unlucky though, it was not bad play. You targeted correct, but you wouldn't know it was the worst possible time to target alchemist. Anyways it was awesome playing town with you, i knew you'd be a good partner when we actually are on the same team. Your reasoning in the neighborhood helped greatly, you successfully attracted the last NK with your doppel claim (i think), and last but not least, i want to thank you for trusting me in this game.

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:26 pm

In post 3086, Kerset wrote:Fark you carried this game.

You're probably the only one thinking that way, but i'm happy that you believe it regardless. RC had a HUGE part in winning this game, i'm respecting that. Also TL almost screwed up in d1 and d3 but ultimately his neighborizing choices have won this game, there's no question about that.

@pops, if you're interested in post-game, next time you should pocket me hard

i would probably have fallen for it. Your push on me was a lightning out of the blue, i know why you did it and i have to thank RC for saving my ass there, but... yeah, i would probably have defended you if you tried a pocketing strategy. I have a weak heart.

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:36 pm

In post 3055, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:Thanks! And I would like to thank Torque who helped me making this game possible!

To be honest we think the setup is a bit more complex than Anime U-Pick: King Size and the powers are a bit too crowded to our liking. We do like the disc mechanic but maybe it needs some reworking to make it work better in future games. (Anyone for a Fate/Grand Order Semi-U-Pick? I hate that game though, there's no guarantee you'll get good stuffs from Gacha at all, unlike the 100-pull pity counter in Magia Record)

And TemporalLich, your night actions never worked.

Oh, sorry, i forgot to thank you too for modding! I was so filled with excitement that i overlooked your posts, i just went like "FUCK YEAH WE WON THIS" when i saw alchemist flip, and ignored pretty much everything else.

The flavor was awesome, and despite a few pseudo-bastard choices (TL ability and that Sana Futaba stuff almost threw me off, lol), the setup was probably balanced enough. I know not everyone agrees with me on this, but i actually like scumhunting through setup claims. It was fun cornering Salamence for his fake stun and investigating about the unknown poisoner/fogger, PoEing players to find out who was lying. I prefer this to a mountainous, but i can enjoy both and anything in-between.

Uhm... my advice for next time is to mess around less with vote amounts. It was hard to keep track of L-X to avoid hammering, etc. Perhaps discs could affect MP gained and power accessibility (i.e. if you use charge you are ascetic, if you use accel you are bulletproof, something like this) rather than changing votes. SOME discs could affect player votes, but not all of them and not always - imho.

Farkran · Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:37 pm

In post 3096, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3093, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:If you are offended for having a useless role, I apologize. When we design setup, our approach is throwing ideas around and then compile it into a setup, rebalancing as necessary. Not all roles are going to be powerful so it's just bad luck.

But to make it a bit more fair, next time I'll roll to scale power levels to each town members.
It’s not that my role is useless exactly
It’s just there’s no solid town reason to use it
If I’d been scum I would have been WAY LESS salty about it.

Eh... this is probably true. Sorry gamma for mislynching you.

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:54 am

In post 3101, Kerset wrote:
In post 3098, Farkran wrote:
In post 3086, Kerset wrote:Fark you carried this game.

You're probably the only one thinking that way, but i'm happy that you believe it regardless. RC had a HUGE part in winning this game, i'm respecting that.
Would I get banned for paraphrasing, what RC said about fark?

Just tell me in private so nobody will know

. I can shoulder any insult he threw at me, don't be afraid of hurting my self-esteem. My ego knows no bounds

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:42 am

In post 3107, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 3082, Farkran wrote:
In post 3048, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can you literally delete all my posts from all dead pts
I wanted to read them
No you dont.

In post 3084, Farkran wrote:By the way i'm taking pride in having been targeted by alchemist twice with his fog/poison stuff

Pedit: we did gamma and alch though, we weren't that much out off
I think the role was kinda useless so i wouldnt celebrate

In post 3086, Kerset wrote:Fark you carried this game.
Helps when scum made him conftown D1 and D2 and still almost fumbled it

This ALMOST sounds like you were salty but i'm fairly sure i'm wrong

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:57 am

I do want to read the dead chat though, it's not like i care about criticism in a game where we only mislynched once and won at d4 start like it was a 9p setup

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:02 am

In post 3114, popsofctown wrote:snip about the setup

I can agree to your analysis but why didn't you just claim your true flavor, i.e. emiri kisaki? She was tied to a bewitching ability but that's not inherently scummy. I was a stunner/poisoner/bewitcher and we had another roleblocker in kerset's charm.

Or you could make up some other bullshitty ability like bewitching on vote, aimed bewitch on magia working on scum only, etc. I think that the key to exploit this setup was that you could freely claim any shitlike idea that your imagination gave birth to. Everyone was a power role, they were fairly distant to their standard mafia counterparts, and there was plenty of variance to all abilities - this should have allowed some safe creative claims like the one Kerset used to bait the NK.

I have no experience with other theme/flavor-based games, so my opinion is only relevant to this specific game.

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:06 am

In post 3115, popsofctown wrote:
In post 3098, Farkran wrote:
In post 3086, Kerset wrote:Fark you carried this game.

You're probably the only one thinking that way, but i'm happy that you believe it regardless. RC had a HUGE part in winning this game, i'm respecting that. Also TL almost screwed up in d1 and d3 but ultimately his neighborizing choices have won this game, there's no question about that.

@pops, if you're interested in post-game, next time you should pocket me hard i would probably have fallen for it. Your push on me was a lightning out of the blue, i know why you did it and i have to thank RC for saving my ass there, but... yeah, i would probably have defended you if you tried a pocketing strategy. I have a weak heart.
I don't like to use pocketing strategies when I play scum. I'm not very good at scum and maybe I'd be a better scum player if I did but mostly I try to mimic my towngame

I see... uhm, i think you could easily pocket specific players without effort in certain situations, myself included. Do with this what you will, i still <3 you

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:07 am

I guess my curiosity about PTs will never be satisfied

It's ok, you will be able to enjoy the neighborhood with me and kerset in though

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:45 am

Eh... that's what i meant back in d1 when i said bullshit claiming was good to advance the gamestate. You (@scum) probably needed to adapt.

I see the point about pops' roleblocking abilities and it's true that it would have funneled her claim, but that also had a lot to do with dayplay (once again agreed on that) and lack of some creativity. Claiming early, whether by choice (salamence) or by force (pops) hindered your ability to make up proper bullshit. Losing the rolecop in d2 also limited your fakeclaim efficiency greatly, but otherwise you would probably have been able to claim more plausible and fitting stuff, without going out of your way to change flavors.

I know it's easy to talk after the game is over, so i'm not taking an hard stance on this argument, i just believe that the setup wasn't so exaggeratedly damning for the scum roles and flavors. Of course there is ample room for improvement, but that is true for the setup as well as for the players playing it

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:24 am

In post 3134, popsofctown wrote:I don't really like to criticize things in PMs because then I can't be monitored in a case where maybe I need it.

Exhibit A : RC being super cranky in the dead PTs and stopping because bystanders kept telling him he needed to tone it down.

I'd really love to read that. Who do i bribe to send the whole dead pt to me via pm?

Kerset come on i promise i won't prevent your victory the next time we're in a game on the same team

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:40 am

I just finished reading all PTs!

Lots of fun in there, i also wanted to read RC but the redacted stuff leaks rage and madness all over the place so it's kinda ok anyways, heh

I actually like RC playstyle though, as far as i am concerned (only played this once with him) his policy lynch strategy is not birth out of the blue, it has a solid foundation. It's born out of experience of how scum usually play, and until scum adapt to it, it's guaranteed to have >rand chance to be an efficient solving strategy. Some town will be salty about being mislynched but ultimately they're getting carried to victory most of the times so they shouldn't be mad at the town leader unless the town leaders are incompetent, which RC is clearly not.

I thank everyone who gave some credit to me, i don't think i did bad in this game. Counterclaiming stun was a no-brainer once you have access to how it works, so my read of salamence was bad: i thought he was likely dumbtown up to d1 end, then a misclaim happened and it was obvscum, but it's not dependant on my abilities to read him. That being said, i believe i read pops correctly as soon as she started pushing me, i would have lynched there regardless of the counterclaim and in fact my determination to see her flip didn't flinch during the second part of d1. My read on alchemist was also mixedly bad, but that has been influenced a lot by setup shenanigans (charm, etc), up to the point that i forwent the social deduction part of the game and used only mechanical PoEing. It still brought us good results so i don't think i took any particularly bad decision, even if i led a mislynch on gamma.

I am satisfied of how i read V&M correctly by instantly townlocking her after our exchange - in the face of everyone who says i just omgus people who vote me

I need to refine my ability to cooperate with Evenstar though, our interactions were as bad as TvT could possibly get. I don't think it's either one's fault, just a matter of lack of experience together. This is probably true for pops too, even though we were on opposite teams in this game i feel that in a game where we are both town there will be significant paranoia friction between us - this can improve over time.

Oh, also kerset. I'll never say enough times how much i like being in team with kerset. The synergy is absurdly high, but it's not limited to that - i had tons of fun speaking to him for the whole game as long as he was alive, both in the main thread and the neighborhood PT. I had a similar experience with The Worst as a scum partner (hi TW! <3), but since me and Kerset also share a similar experience level (TW instead is a veteran) it was possibly even more satisfactory.

About everyone else, i think there's nothing particularly relevant that stands out that i didn't already talk about. Sujimichi and Alchemist are very interesting players i'd like to know more. Didn't interact enough with Chemist and Gamma, we'll see next time. Not sure if i will ever get eye to eye with bitmap and TL, our playstyles are so vastly different that we'll probably scumread each other every single time and then make it a competition on who was the worse player - in this game we managed to cooperate because we were almost conftown due to our powers and claims, but in any different context we would probably have made a mess. Doesn't mean that they are inherently bad or unpleasant guys to me, i just feel we have incompatible mindsets and approaches to FM. This may also improve over time if we get to play together again.

Farkran · Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:51 am

I will always be happy to play with you, pops <3 right now i'm taking a break on my signups to recharge myself before TM starts though, i need to produce the best tryhard display of all times there. And probably screw up big time, carry my teammates to the bottom side of the final rankings, and whine over it daily

Farkran · Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:59 am

Can i ask a question though?

I have already said how much i respect RC and his strategy, even after playing with him only once it's immediately evident that he has above average reads and he's an extremely charismatic player - he probably deserves the paragon award and many others, out of experience and skill alone. I'm going to insist on this premise because i don't want to sound like i am belittling his contribution in this game or his ability to read and lead town in general.

But why would you use this specific game as his validation? The description given in the reference is not accurate. Everyone except bitmap and possibly TL voted (or didn't vote) pops for different reasons, especially when she got CCed.
He townread alchemist for a large portion of d1, he scumread me and evenstar initially, then kerset, then chemist. He wanted to lynch salamence d2, but what forced the lynch was the stun scumslip, not RC's charisma - we might have lynched him due to RC command too, but we don't know how the game would have unfolded without the failed stun claim. His stance on V&M was unclear, but from what i read it looks more like he at least scumleaned them until suji misvigged claiming to have sheeped RC (corroborating the fact that his read was, at least, potentially misinterpretable). The rest of the game was solved mechanically rather than based on reads.

If anything, this game is an example of how town!bitmap was submissive to RC's will, and how scum!salamence was afraid of his influence - up to the point that he fell for an evidently bullshitty parity cop claim. As town it's usually a good thing to sheep town!RC, just as much as it is bad to be afraid of him as scum. But, really, this is a display of how much he is idolized by the community rather than how much he is good at this game.

Again, this doesn't mean that he isn't good at this game or that he doesn't deserve an award for being significantly more skilled than the average player. However, if you don't think other players deserve ANY credit for this specific town win and RC carried this game by himself, you are entitled to have your own opinion. I posted this to dissociate myself from a description that says "RC forcibly led town to lynch the whole scumteam" because it's just not true in this specific instance.

Farkran · Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:33 am

I am only pointing out that a lot of things happened ever since the end of d1 that made any correct OR wrong read less meaningful in this specific game, due to how setup mechanics, scumslips and counterclaims worked out.

This does in no way shade RC ability to read or lead town. He is a good player, he is confirmed to have above average reads and he knows how to put them to good use. From my pov the best contributes that Severa/RC gave to this game were the bullshit claims that made some scum panic-claim early in d1, and correctly reading lynchbaity slots mid-d1. I did say that RC saved my ass when you were pushing me (@pops), i'm not backing off of that.

I'm just saying that it's a bit unfair to the other players to say that he forced everyone to lynch scum whereas everyone else's contribute equals next to nothing. Sujimichi played a good game, his only mistake being misvigging V&M due to a misinterpreted read. Kerset kinda derped on pops but actually had >rand reads too by pinning salamence d1, charming alchemist (although he couldn't know he was strongmanning that night) and he successfully baited the N3K. I mislynched gamma and entered a paranoia tunnel against bitmap mostly because of that charm shenanigan, otherwise alchemist would definitely have been in my lynchpool from how he played in d1 end.

TLDR: RC is an awesome player, but other players should be able to discern when it is positive to idolize and sheep someone vs when it's better to treat him like a human being and respect everyone else too.

Farkran · Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:50 am

In post 3179, popsofctown wrote:I don't really see why that nom writeup would mention positive things about other players' play when the nom writeup is for RC so like, I don't see the issue?

I mean if it makes you feel better the judges who judge the category will be expected to read this game, the blurb in the nom is just a hook.

Oh, my point wasn't about writing good things about other players in a RC nom. My objection is almost entirely against a specific sentence which implies that "RC is good because he forces town to lynch scum". That's not the reason why RC is good, nor it is true in this game. RC is good because he had good reads and used his brain to advance the gamestate, not because the rest of the town were his sheep slaves.

Farkran · Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:57 am

Yes, in fact i mentioned it isn't true in THIS specific game. I'm sure that there are plenty of instances where that is true in the past, present and future of mafiascum

Farkran · Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:59 am

(i'm not being sarcastic, i just think this game isn't the best representation of the RC abilities you mentioned in the nom)

Farkran · Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:00 am

To be even more clear - if you nominated him for paragon because of the pro-town bullshit claims, correct lynchbait reads and neighborhoos strategy i would have supported that 100%

Farkran · Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:11 am

In post 3192, Kerset wrote:
In post 3190, Bitmap wrote:I still want to read RC salt deep down.
I still have his ISO cached in my phone. If you get his permission everything is possible.

How much do you want for that?

Farkran · Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:30 pm

In post 3201, Torque wrote:shameless plug

Aw, why do all this awesome games appear now

i can't commit to all of them. What do i do? Would you be mad at me if i preinned and then failed to confirm because it conflicts with other games i have already committed to play?