Mini 622 - Mind Screw Mafia - Das ist alles!

[Yosarian2]

Before I place my vote, question to everybody- Did you recieve a rule in your pm? A yes or no, you do not have to say it... yet.

I'm not sure this is a good idea...

For one thing, if a rule is in your PM, is this rule part of your role? If you die, do the rules of the game change?

[Yosarian2]

Battousai: no, my PM doesn't include any rule, as far as I can gather.

I have a question of my own, though: does everybody's role include a name and something extra in parentheses?

fos:Korts

. Trying to prepare your fake-claim already, huh?

[Yosarian2]

Battousai: no, my PM doesn't include any rule, as far as I can gather.

I have a question of my own, though: does everybody's role include a name and something extra in parentheses?

fos:Korts

. Trying to prepare your fake-claim already, huh?

fos: Yos

you think if I was, I'd know about the parentheses?

Well, I think you'd want to know if the pro-town role PM looks like yours, yes.

The point I was making is that the question you were asking is not a good question at this point, becuase it dosn't give the town any information but makes it easier for scum to fake roleclaims.

It's hard to know since I don't know what the exact rules for this game are, but if I was modding, that question would also get you a warning for being a little bit too close to quoting your role PM, FYI.

[Yosarian2]

Also, the fact that the mod is keeping a FOS count implies that they probably have some effect on the game.

But yeah, we do need to figure this voting system out so we can sucessfully lynch someone, especally since the mod hinted in the rules that there could be short and unexpected deadlines.

[Yosarian2]

iamausername: I can test unfosing. I'll wait until after then next votecount, though, just to see of Korts shows up with a FOS count of 2 first.

[Yosarian2]

Point of Order!

"The pattern is self-evident, if only you can see the key."

Is there some obvious pattern we're missing here?

[Yosarian2]

I looked for any pattern that I could in the voting, and I couldn't find anything either. At least nothing really obvious.

Ah...I think I found it.

Look at the list of names in the first mod post.

Mind Screw Mafia

"What is insanity to those who understand it not?

What is reality to those who cannot see it?

Each of you shall wake up to a reality unlike any you have known, a land of dreams and nightmares, a shifting superposition of aligned states. A place where technobabble is truly explanation. A reality where the rules themselves seem resistant to discovery.

Some of you will learn to adapt. Some of you... won't.

Do you trust your memories of what has worked before? Are you willing to guess as to what's really going on? Can you find those who would impose their twisted view of reality on you before time runs out?"

Game Stage:

Day 1

They Still Don't Seem to Understand:

Yosarian2
Jenter Brolincani
Musher333
iamausername
remussaidow
Macavenger
Nocmen
Cavebear with a toothache
Jex
Korts
MafiaSSK
Battousai

Fading Away:

None Yet...

Now, look at what we figured out:

Korts -> MafiaSSK
Battousai -> Yosarian2
Jenter Brocliani -> Musher333
remussaidow -> Macavenger
MafiaSSK -> Battousai
Musher333 -> iamausername
Macavenger -> ???
Cavebear with a toothache -> ???
Jex -> ???
Nocmen -> ???
Yosarian2 -> Jenter Brocliani
iamausername -> ???

Man I hope the numbers are what actually decides lynches, otherwise we're going to feel really stupid if we say, run up jenter trying to lynch musher and jenter actually gets lynched.

Vote: Cavebear

continuing with the vote testing. Couple other people can vote for "me" to see where that goes.

Looks like the votes always go to the next person on the list, using the list the mod posted in post 1.

[Yosarian2]

Well, unless the pattern changes, I don't think we will, now that we figured out what the pattern is, remussaidow

[Yosarian2]

Hey, cool. Good one, Yos. Sooo, back to Battousai's rule, then. I think it would be best if you claimed the rule in your role.

I don't know why you and Battousai keep pushing the town to mass claim stuff, but there's no way I'm going to go along with it at this point, at least not without a much better reason then either of you have given.

[Yosarian2]

Only time I've ever seen a mod that was actually lynchable, it was a freaky theme game where the mod was actually the SK, and the town figured it out, lynched the mod, and won

[Yosarian2]

Ok, back from starkadium.

@Yos: Actually, I'm not pushing for a massclaim of any sort now, I just want Battousai to tell us this rule, since it wouldn't hurt town to know at least one.

Well, it could hurt the town; dosnt' that depend on what the role is?

I am pretty confident if the mod gets the majority votes, someone else will die for him.

...why would you be "pretty confident" about that?

[Yosarian2]

Interesting. Yos2 has an FoS on him, with no name on it.

Do I? Which vote count was this mentioned in?

[Yosarian2]

I still say any kind of day 1 massclaim, even just a mass nameclaim, in "Mind Screw Mafia" is quite likely to end up being a bad idea, one way or the other.

[Yosarian2]

Well, at the moment, I think Korts looks pretty scummy, between all the pressure he's been giving for the town to do different kind of massclaims and other general wierdness. And that "trying to get doc protection" post you quote there looks pretty bad too.

[Yosarian2]

Nocmen: Yeah, I was the person over Jenter on the old list. Luckely I quoted the whole origional list yesterday:

Look at the list of names in the first mod post.

Mind Screw Mafia

"What is insanity to those who understand it not?

What is reality to those who cannot see it?

Each of you shall wake up to a reality unlike any you have known, a land of dreams and nightmares, a shifting superposition of aligned states. A place where technobabble is truly explanation. A reality where the rules themselves seem resistant to discovery.

Some of you will learn to adapt. Some of you... won't.

Do you trust your memories of what has worked before? Are you willing to guess as to what's really going on? Can you find those who would impose their twisted view of reality on you before time runs out?"

Game Stage:

Day 1

They Still Don't Seem to Understand:

Yosarian2
Jenter Brolincani
Musher333
iamausername
remussaidow
Macavenger
Nocmen
Cavebear with a toothache
Jex
Korts
MafiaSSK
Battousai

Fading Away:

None Yet...

I'm not sure I like Battousai's post; he looked like he was fishing to see if I was a reflecting/unkillable role or not or whatever.

fos:Battousai

[Yosarian2]

Do you actually think I'm scum, Battousai, or are you just talking hypothetically?

[Yosarian2]

Why do we have Jex and Nocmen claiming power roles here?

[Yosarian2]

Oh, ok, nevermind. Usually people don't know that they're roleblocked unless they tried to use an ability...never mind, don't say anything else.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah. With no idea of when the deadline is coming, we really do need to start heading towards a lynch here.

[Yosarian2]

Oh. Fair enough. I somehow missed that.

[Yosarian2]

Wait...why does the votecount have Macavenger as voting for Jex?

[Yosarian2]

Yeah, I know he is, but when you vote someone the vote should go to the next person, right?

[Yosarian2]

It does, but your name still shows up in the wrong place on the vote count, remember? The numbers are what's important, and there's a (2) next to SSK, not Jex.

Ah...ok, that explains it.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah, that;s a really scummy weak claim, mafiassk. If you're town, you just given the scum information, and yet your claim does absoltuly nothing to help the town evaluate you.

[Yosarian2]

Mod- If Mafiassk truly does need one fewer vote to be lynch than standard, shouldn't he have a number of posts labeled rules infraction?

Eh? Why is that? He should be fine so long as he paraphrased it properly.

[Yosarian2]

All right. I'm going to claim before we go to night here. (In case anyone is wondering, I ran this paraphrase past the mod, and he declared it an acceptable paraphrase of my role.)

I'm The Star Child (from 2001: A Space Odyssey). I'm basically a day 3 survivor. All I have to do is live until the end of day 3, and I can leave this universe, and leave the rest of you in peace. I'm just claiming this because I don't want the scum to try to kill me again; there's really no point in doing that, guys, because I'm leaving the game tommorow; it'd just be a wasted kill.

So, yeah. After the scum tried to kill me last night, I've figured I was basically lynch-proof, so I was just worried about the scum kill. Which is why I've been trying to be basically worthless to the town for most of today, was I was trying to get the scum to not kill me. Bah...I hate being a survivor.

So, anyway, yeah. I'm here. Just ignore me, I'll go away soon.

[Yosarian2]

Yup. I'm not actually this bad of a player.

[Yosarian2]

I read my role PM again last night, and I'm concerned that we may have to lynch Yos today.

Um...what the hell?

All I have to do is survive to the end of the day today, and I leave. It dosn't harm anyone else, and it's and 100% confirmable.

[Yosarian2]

I'm way confused about Yos's role now. What do you mean you just leave after today?

All right. I'm going to claim before we go to night here. (In case anyone is wondering, I ran this paraphrase past the mod, and he declared it an acceptable paraphrase of my role.)

I'm The Star Child (from 2001: A Space Odyssey). I'm basically a day 3 survivor. All I have to do is live until the end of day 3, and I can leave this universe, and leave the rest of you in peace. I'm just claiming this because I don't want the scum to try to kill me again; there's really no point in doing that, guys, because I'm leaving the game tommorow; it'd just be a wasted kill.

So, yeah. After the scum tried to kill me last night, I've figured I was basically lynch-proof, so I was just worried about the scum kill. Which is why I've been trying to be basically worthless to the town for most of today, was I was trying to get the scum to not kill me. Bah...I hate being a survivor.

So, anyway, yeah. I'm here. Just ignore me, I'll go away soon.

If I survive to the end of day 3, I just leave the game, just like a lyncher does when he gets rid of his target in a normal game. Basically, I would be a complete waste of a lynch for the town.

[Yosarian2]

Actually, I have a different theory about what might be in Iam's role PM, and I think he might be misunderstanding something, but I'm not going to help him claim here. If he does want to go into more detail, I'll clear the misunderstanding up, if it's what I'm guessing it is.

[Yosarian2]

Actually, I have a different theory about what might be in Iam's role PM, and I think he might be misunderstanding something, but I'm not going to help him claim here. If he does want to go into more detail, I'll clear the misunderstanding up, if it's what I'm guessing it is.

Since he is calling for your lynch, I think it would be prudent to do so.
It may help you stay alive, it may not. its your life to lose.

It would be prudent for...me to help him claim? No, that would be stupid. If I'm wrong and he really is a scum trying to get me lynched for whatever anti-town reason, then I'm certanly not going to give him a way out. And if you're pro-town, then you should be even less interested in helping him fake a claim then I am, since you're the one who needs to be worried about figuring out who the scum are, not me.

Besides, lynching me is clearly not in the interests of the town at this point, and it's not like there's any plausable reason I might have made the claim I did if it wasn't true. So no, I'm not at all worried that he's going to convince the entire town to lynch me just on the strength of some vauge comments.

[Yosarian2]

So no, I'm not at all worried that he's going to convince the entire town to lynch me just on the strength of some vauge comments.

Obviously. Yos, would you agree that you are not aligned with the town?

That is correct.

And yeah, you're going where I thought you were going with this. You're going to reference the town win condition now, right?

I'll save you the trouble. According to my PM, you are correct, the town (and any other faction for that matter) can't win until I die or until I leave the game. However, the point you are missing is that I will leave the game at the end of the day today, at which point you'll be able to win (whatever faction you're in). Feel free to clarify it with the mod if you have to (just a hypothetical "if there was a survivor who leaves the role at the end of day 3, could I win then?" question should work.)

[Yosarian2]

I also did not like both of you stating how pointless it is to lynch you.
Tha also seems anti-town to me.

Huh?

I said it's pointless to lynch me today. Because it is. It's a waste of a town lynch. And yes, I'm not pro-town, survivor is not a pro-town role. So what?

Is there some reason you're trying to get the town to waste their lynch today, Grimmy?

[Yosarian2]

If you guys want me to hammer someone, let me know; I don't really care

[Yosarian2]

So, yeah. I'm still here. Still don't care who gets lynched. La la la.

[Yosarian2]

(shrug)

vote:Yosarian

, odd as this seems.

[Yosarian2]

(shrug)

I'll probably vote the same way again, once I see the next vote count and am sure votes are still going to the same place. I'd hate to have had the rules suddenly change and accidently speedlynch myself, lol.

[Yosarian2]

umm...

Yos, weren't you supposed to disapear day 3?

(points to title)

Apparently, it's still day 3.

[Yosarian2]

umm...

Yos, weren't you supposed to disapear day 3?

I was going to ask the same question, but I reread the lynch scene and it says that the day continues. Im wondering why the vote was reset. Maybe we were supposed to lynch one of the two for the day? (Iam or Yos)?

Thoughts?

Nice try, scum. But, no, I'm betting someone used some kind of ability to reset the vote count. And no one other then you, or one of your scumbuddies, would have a motive for doing that.

What you should have done was come out and admitted that you disrupted the vote, because then you probably would have been believed. But, as it is, I'm pretty sure you're lying scum here.

vote:Yosarian2

, which should go over to you.

[Yosarian2]

I'm in favor of the plan of trying to lynch grimmy first then if that fails choose between iam and yos (though we all know my choice will be Iam).

Why do people keep saying stuff like this?

Isn't it obveous that Iam is not a lyncher, that he's a pro-town person who was just confused?

And "town has to keep lynching until the survivor dies" would be the dumbest mechanic ever.

Now, I'm not sure who or what disrupted the lynch today (probably who), but it wasn't any part of my role, ok?

[Yosarian2]

Eh. Survivor roles are bad. There's basically no motivation to do much of anything.

Especally after I was pretty much confirmed "not mafia" after night 1. So I first "accidently" outed a few pro-town power roles, (to give the scum better targets), then went on to be totally and completly useless until the end of the day.

I'm just glad I didn't hammer the bomb. Man...how crappy a loss that would have been. Random question; why would you put a bomb and a survivor in the same game?

Anyway, other then my role, heh, it was a good game, a good setup, and run fairly well.

[Yosarian2]

Actually, the ordinary Jailkeeper only blocks kills (that's why both of your falseclaim PMs used the "prevent all kills and roleblock" structure). The role you received was a supercharged Jailkeeper.

Well, the standard jailkeeper roleblockes it's target and protects him from kills at the same time.