Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

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Notice how I was super confident DP was town out of nowhere D3? Me being being neigborized is why

can you expand on this

mostly why you wouldn't think I was mech town since start of day 2?

I believe he meant EP*

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We pretty much auto-win at night if we lynch the roleblocker btw.

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We pretty much auto-win at night if we lynch the roleblocker btw.

Assuming 3 scum in Mena|Pine|RP*

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We pretty much auto-win at night if we lynch the roleblocker btw.

Assuming 3 scum in Mena|Pine|RP*

2 scum*

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I think RP is the towniest out of them.

RP wanting to lynch me is a bit of a red flag, but I want to see Pine flip first.

His attempt at discrediting the hood reveal was pretty scummy. He also wanted to know which of Gamma or me was the neighborizer. In an ideal world, Gamma and I could have hidden which of us was the neighborizer... it looks like Pine was aware of this and called for us to fully reveal.

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what roleblocker?

If loyal neighborizer targets scum, they get a "roleblocked" result. I'm assuming scum has a roleblocker to weaken the neighborizer's ability to confirm scum.

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why would scum be informed that there was a second loyal neighborizor?

I don't think they are. If they were, they probably would have insta-killed me for my neighborhood crumb.

I was just saying that it's in scum's best interest to discredit my hood reveal. Pine's attempts at same were therefore scummy.

pedit: what? loyal neighborizor targeting scum just gets no result, why would you they get a "roleblocked" result?

I'm not sure how specific I can be here. Let me get back to you on this.

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Oh fucking nonsense.

Two unrestricted loyal Neighborizers is unbalanced. Even taking into account odd/even night, that’s way too much investigative power.

Loyal Neighborizers essentially create Masonries. If they were 1-shot I’d buy it, but no restrictions? If Tim we’re alive we’d have five ICs, six by N4.

Fucking no.

Mafia disloyal Neighborizer, final answer. It’s the ONLY way this is balanced

You're right - unrestricted loyal neighborizers would be pretty insane.

Good thing the two in this game were restricted to odd- and even-nights.

Can we hammer him now?

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Can anyone explain the magma/aqua dynamic given I never played Ruby

Is team magma only in ruby and team aqua only in sapphire or are both in both?

the implication for this mafia game is that all of the group scum is with team magma?

Gamma, can you explain on why you believed that the scum were fully flavor-outed by the point that he made that post in the PT? I kinda wasn't paying attention to micc's flavor that much I guess and didn't realize he had implied the groupscum's mafia flavor tbh

Post 5 mentions the Magma leader. They're for sure the bad guys.

I read through Micc's Sapphire game before joining this game. From my recollection, all of the bad guys were flavoured as Team Aqua.

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EP, claim your flavor in your next post

I'm Hiker Trent

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Please get off the Gamma wagon. I'm heading to work and don't want to risk it while he's in hammer range, so here goes....

I've been in a hood with Gamma since D3.

wouldn't it make more sense to just say you have an inno on gamma tho?

Given Tim's flip, I assumed people would read into my hood claim as being the same as his. I honestly didn't expect this much scrutiny.

I'm pretty sure the main reason people are so doubtful is because Pine is trying to stir up a panic about it. He was on the ball trying to discredit it. I don't recall seeing a single post by him even entertaining the notion that my claim is real.

Compare that to you and Creature, for instance, in which both of you are actually considering the claim instead of shutting it down immediately.

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My initial intent was to lynch Gamma and good Mena. I ended up changing once the Gamma v Ofrhz wagons picked up.

I chose to hood Gamma for two reasons:
- he was getting heavily scumread. If I wasn't successful in hooding him, it was going to be an easy lynch to lead. If you look back through my posts, you'll notice I've been trying to avoid attention. Until I started talking with Gamma, I thought I would be the only PR left, so I was trying to stay under the radar as long as possible.
- Gamma is one of the only people to have played with me. He also said that he was doing a big ISO on me... I figured if I hooded him, he could use the ISO as a BS reason to justify his townread of me. Again, all of this with the idea of avoiding detection for as long as possible. In the event that I died, I left Gamma with some information to prove that I hooded him + I tried conveying my townread of him to help with his claim.

Notes

- my scumread on Creature came from me thinking he was PR fishing. I was very skeptical of his post asking me to address Tim's note of my potential soft.
- I'm assuming my neighborize will fail on whoever I target bcz of the assumed roleblocker. Just in case, I'll leave the information with Gamma in the hood thread.

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On the topic of balancing... you're all forgetting the likelihood of neighborizers leading a lynch against each other. Tim started scumreading me from my crumb. Imagine what he'd do if he were still alive + I claimed neighborizer. The only way I could see town overcoming this is by lucking out and having one person in two separate hoods (which is a possibility - I checked!).

The likelihood of the neighborizers killing each other is a point for the scumteam.

As others have pointed out, the rolecop and a likely roleblocker balances things out quite nicely.

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pedit: what? loyal neighborizor targeting scum just gets no result, why would you they get a "roleblocked" result?

I'm not sure how specific I can be here. Let me get back to you on this.

@DP I followed up with this to make sure I wasn't breaking any rules by clarifying.

Getting roleblocked and neighborizing scum yield the same result to me. I have no way to determine which one caused the failure.

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... regardless of Pine's alignment he's right that two separate loyal neighborizors is preddy stronk, so I'm not surprised he's skeptical

Pine's propaganda campaign is a little more than skepticism if you ask me.

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RIP Gamma

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On the lighter side of things, scum probably don't have a roleblocker. Creature is now part of my neighborhood

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Let's process this out.

VOTE: Menalque

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Gamma recommended I pick a townread to reduce the WIFOM of a roleblocker presence.

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It was a good recommendation imo. If RP was scum and my neighborize failed, I'd probably have chalked it up to a roleblock.

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Real talk though... how am I not dead?

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Yeah I realise I’m prob getting mislynched today, but you shouldn’t: I’m triathlete Matt, town 1shot doc 1shot gunsmith 1shot nea 1shot pokeball vendor

Those are 4 roles.

Wouldn't a triathlete have 3 roles?

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THEY CALL HIM VOTE: JOHN MEEEEENAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This gif is fantastic btw.

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Lmao gg guys

We really got mechanically fucked

Gg WP.

What was your actual role?

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Great game, all!

Thanks for hosting it, Micc!

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maybe without the bodyguard this game could've been more alright.

I'd say keep the bodyguard.

+1 1-shot maf roleblocker
-1 tracker

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Tbf bodyguard didn’t do anthing

But it's hype when they do.

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Firebrand*

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Just finished reading the maf thread - it was some good stuff! DP was probs the right kill once he was conf!town, but I agree with pretty much everything else you guys did. Well played.

Mena's last moments were too good btw XD

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I tried to flavour my neighborhood thread, but I forgot about it once Gamma joined.

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Why, do you think it’s a bad idea RC?

I recall reading somewhere that sandbagging your town meta to mask your scum meta is bad play.

Better to just work on your scum meta as much as you can.