You're serious about taking notes, right? Your notes are so deep as to encompass an OMGUS point log? That's funny to me, man. That's some unbelievably deep analysisdcorbe wrote:To expand in biochop's point here, some times how a player reacts under a little bit of pressure can result in them spilling scum tells. Especially if his or her reactions are OMGUSy.bionicchop2 wrote:Technically it would have been L-3 (4 votes, 7 required) and I didn't realize there were 2 random votes already on before crazy voted. Not that it mattered since there is a good chance I would have thrown one on there anyway. People sure do seem to freak out if you get anywhere in the same timezone as a lynch vote.nhat wrote:bionicchop2, I think it was rather dangerous for you to try to put sleepypanda at L-2. Good thing you effed up your vote. Maybe you did it on purpose, I dunno. Seems that you are a bit spasmatic about scumhunting and fingerpointing. A little too busy, maybe? Or does playing mafia get you hot?
OMGUS by itself is not a reason to lynch;however, I started to keep an OMGUS point log in my notes on all of my gamesand I've learned that the more a person OMGUSes the higher that the probability is that they are scum.
charter wrote:Where is the 'Crazy is defending Bionic bit'? I don't really see it, so if someone could point it out, I'd appreciate it. I assume it's not 300 right? That post seems like Crazy is trying to get everyone to drop all these schemes (which we should).
I'm getting town vibes from Bionic now... not due to his wordplay thing, but to his effort that he's putting into scum-hunting. His arguments for the most part are making more sense than the other two aggressive players here (Charter and Dcorbe). Unvote
Bionic did not roleclaim townie. His word exercise was based on the town's win condition.
Bionic is making sense, and He did not claim vanilla.
Let me get this into all your heads.
Bionic's plan was not based on the Townie PM. Windkirby's was; Bionic's wasn't.
His plan was based on the win condition that was given to all pro-town players. That is what has the word "force" in it.
That in mind, please point me to Bionic's claim.
Pushing this is useless. Bionic isn't dropping any scumtells in reaction to this. What are you hoping for, a roleclaim from him?
He sure is keeping busy for the sake of bionicchop, namedropping him left and right, hanging all up on his nutsticles. Furthermore, Crazy was down for bionicchop's exercise from the conception, put all that together and I think we have a pair, whether mafia, mason, or whatever.If I'm not opposing the wagon, I might as well be supporting it.
That being the case, what do you think about NC's explanation about why he was pressuring bionicchop? I guess anybody would hold up well against BS arguments. Personally, I think he saw the bionicchop bandwagon falling apart and tried to cop out due to the pressure being put on him.Crazy wrote:I have a tendency to defend people when they are attacked with bad arguments. I do not have any role connection with Bionic.
Good idea as far as digging up past games. I checked out your finished game briefly, and it looks like you kept up a cokehead-esque pace in that one as town, and really have been consistent for the past few pages, so I'llbionicchop2 wrote:If anybody has prior game experience with NC, it would help shed some light on if that is standard play for him as far as scum hunting.
The difference is that mneme already had two votes before you came, whereas you created a bandwagon for muerrto with a garbage argument that snowballed because he said all the wrong things.New Coldness wrote:Did you see the game where I was the cop? I was aggressive as hell on mneme on the first day. The second day was dominated by my roleclaim.
Yeah, let's all band together with you and give windkirby a townie-of-the-decade trophy.Lowell wrote:Can we do something other than talk about how awesome/not awesome NC was in other games? What say you?
It's not the first time that he's tried to pull some crap in this game. Remember the "exercise"? I'd have a hard time putting anything against him.But Nhat saying that Bionic was trying to frame him is really reaching. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but there are very few people that would try a gambit like that.
andI certainly don't see what's wrong with voting for who one thinks is scum just because it's relies a lot on gut.
Dude, I'm quite sure it was more than gut feelings that put charter at the top of the voting list. For whatever reasons, good or bad, people have been stating why they think charter is scummy. And now, he's so close to lynch, you are trying to pressure out there for anyone into dropping a hammer, basically telling all of us to no-brain it and get it over with. The good thing about this for you is that you're the one that doesn't need to drop the hammer, so no skin off your nuts.Hunches, guts, and feelings are in my opinion the most powerful tools a scumhunter has, and yet you say that they aren't allowed because they're leading to you.
So this is your post after gathering your thought? You could have said all of this once you saw that the thread was open. Really sounds like an excuse to me, so I hope you bring something substantial.windkirby wrote:I don't think it's too big of a deal that crazy and zoraster conversed before the others arrived. I saw the day 3 post before crazy posted and could have posted before him. The only reason I didn't was because I wanted to gather my thoughts before doing so. Respecting the wishes of charter, though, I definitely plan to take a look at crazy today all the same.
I would support a massclaim at this point. We're down four townies and no scum, so I think the information could prove very useful.
This was your quote from 486. It's quite backhanded, and you do support voting on gut feelings. Apparently, zoroaster prescribes to it too, just look at the post where he hammers.windkirby wrote: I certainly don't see what's wrong with voting for who one thinks is scum just because it's relies a lot on gut.
Where's the reason?All right. I've read through the posts pretty carefully, and I'm reasonably confident that charter is scum.
As for the little thing about feelings and vibes, I think most of what determines mafia is based on these. However, it's important to be as specific and articulate as possible about what gives these vibes/feelings because otherwise the game comes to a standstill, and other people are less able to evaluate how they ultimately feel. There are only a few things in this game that aren't ultimately down to how one feels about something. Power role actions, obviously, are the first. I think maybe vote analysis is another.
Anyway, regardless of what charter turns up, I think we should all take a closer look at bionic and nhat's little spat tomorrow.
Could you tell us why you chose those two in particular to investigate?SleepyPanda wrote:Sorry, haven't been able to get on a computer.
I'm the cop. I investigated dcorbe night 1, who was a vanilla townie. Night 2, I investigated bionic. If there are 3 mafia, it's pretty much 50/50 now to hit one at least.
I support the massclaim. If we are in lylo now, any info would be better than none. I also think we should be trying to find connections between players at this point.
This is some mighty fine word twisting. The point is not to bypass rereading the game, it's just that if we could get some more definitive information by going to night, then that may give us .a clue to what we should focus on when we go back and reread. Town would have to be extra careful with their votes, just like we have to today.azimuth wrote: Another sketchy statement. You are talking as if this were now simply a game of probability, that we would have nothing to learn from re-reading the past 22 pages, and that we might as well just guess. I would say that we would get much better "quality of information" by re-reading the game and making an informed opinion than by allowing the mafia to NK Panda or LDK, leaving us no better off (and, in light of my first paragraph and Panda's post 546, actually much worse off).
As for me, I'll put SP and LDK on my town list, along with Windkirby because I don't think that scum would have brought that up so as to lend support for the cop and the investigation. I'll just leave myself off of my town list due to bias, so here's what I have:And as much as I hate to point this out, the mod referring to a claimed PM makes it seem very real, so I doubt very much that SP is not the cop.
But then you said:in post 444 Azimuth wrote:You know, making such misrepresentations only make you look more suspicious. I made my initial cases against you in posts 221 and 245, and they had nothing to do with "their feelings"...whom are you even quoting here? (BTW, Lowell also made some cases in 332, which you did not address.)charter wrote:Still waiting for someone to bring a case against me rather than "their feelings"...
Now you were trying to make it look like you weren't actively trying to get him lynched, more like sharing your observations. Major contradiction.in post 458 Azimuth wrote:I'm not "building a case"; I'm noting my observations and voting accordingly. If others disagree, then you have nothing to worry about.charter wrote:And yes Azimuth, I consider what you've done a terrible job of building a case against someone to lynch them.
Looks like you may be trying to cover your ass by big upping charter's "scummy" playing style, while trying to show shame, which you had also reinforced here:Azimuth wrote: I still think the best choice might be to lynch charter, then see whether any power roles might be able to guide the discussion along (subtly, of course) based on two nights of results. If charter somehow isn't mafia, I propose that nobody listen to me in this particular game ever again.
and here:in 512 Azimuth wrote:
(BTW, charter wins the Honorary Mafia award. Why do some townies act so suspiciously when accused?)
All the while tossing jabs at me throughout the entire game about how you think I'm suspicious. It's about time you show and prove.in 542 Azimuth wrote:
I'm more suspicious of nhat than ever now, but as I said before I realize that my suspicions mean squat in this particular game.
Yeah, great, let some one do the dirty work for you.....again.Crazy wrote:Guys, please look at Megatron. I was just trying to do a PBPA of him, but then I realized that I'm no good at that. Besides, there's nothing I can post that you won't notice yourself.
I noticed that he rarely took a stand for much of anything, and he made a lot of "town reads on xxx" stuff.
I'm fairly sure he's one of the 3 scum, and I'd guess that nhat is another one.
Yeah man, don't get it twisted because you KNOW I didn't ask for everyone else not to make their arguments. I only asked to let them let you go first.crazy wrote:
You just want me to do it because if someone else does it then your scum partner will probably get lynched, as you know I'm not as capable as some others here.
So which is it? Am I protecting my scum partner or assuming he is town?There it is. Now you can pick it apart for being weak and assume that Megatron is town, all because I'm just not as verbose as Azimuth.
Dude, you haveCrazy wrote:NONONONONONONOO!!!! Don't lynch me, then we lose, because Megatron is a lying scum-bag.
If you want someone else, Panda, please pick Windkirby or Zoraster! I practically proved myself to be town on Day 1 with that soft-claiming, you know.
Nhat & Megatron, who's the 3rd scum in your group?
Megatron is bussing Nhat; it's as simple as that.
Lookie at Nhat...
-He is sure Megatron is telling the truth. SCUM!
-He was willing to get lynched. SCUM!
-When you made a minor point against me, he jumped on it and immediately voted me. SCUM!
Plus, you say that Megatron is trying to bus me. The biggest flaw in that argument is that if this were the case, then that would not win the game for scum. It just wouldn't. Megatron wouldn't be able to vig anyone, and it would go to day 4, where he would be found to be a fraud and be lynched himself. And this is the argument you are pushing?We still have to lynch your two scum partners.
You keep on forgetting that you were pushing theCrazy wrote:And I can't believe, Nhat, that you find the mason claim more fishy than the vig claim. That's the only evidence you have on Azimuth and me.
I think a mass-claim would be a good idea now. I want to hear other people's opinions on this before anyone claims, though.
I doubt there would be another protective role. We're very close to losing here, and I think a massclaim would provide us with tons of information, and we need that.
And what do you think about a massclaim?
Only this. And make no mistakes about it, he was pushing hard for this to go down. Now, he was very sure to vote me first instead of Crazy. Let's put it this way, if both Crazy and I were town, and Megatron scum don't you think he would have been open to either of our lynches? Why did he disregard any suggestions for Crazy's lynch?In post 596 Megatron wrote:I got a great idea, let's figure out this mason thing - let's lynch nhat, and if he flips town, Crazy gets my bullet and you can lynch Azi tomorrow.
vote: nhat
Seriously, it's a great idea
