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Post Post #850 (isolation #0) » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:30 pm

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rajrhcpfreak wrote:Andycyca is replacing rolandofthewhite
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Post Post #865 (isolation #1) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:29 pm

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ibaesha wrote:Why hasn't Andy claimed yet?
I'm rereading the whole thread, because I don't want to get play in the dark here.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #2) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:23 pm

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I'm on page 24 (In one freaking sit!) Maybe tomorrow morning I'll have finished and will post something more substantious.

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I'll vote based on my observations.
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Mariyta:
*Dropped Blackberries
*Picked up Purse

Soupfly:
*Dropped Staples
*Picked up Cloth

K-Scope:
*Snoop Dogg CD
*Unfermented Bear Bear

Miss Moo:
*Free Call
*Blackberries
*Fish

LoudMouthLee:
*Horse

YagamiLight
*Napalm

Kinetic
*Dropped ??

the silent speaker
*Picked up staples
*Old Truck

mole
*YouTube
*Picked up Blockus

Fritz
*Dropped Blockus
*Received Full Metal Jacket from Ibby

Kilroy8675309
*Picked up Survivor

Blight
*Sam's Cola
*Painkillers

People who gave items:
*Ibby gave Fritz Full Metal Jacket

Items on the ground at start of the day:
Survivor DVD - Kilroy picked up
Purse - Mariyta picked up
Cloth - soupfly picked up
Blockus - mole picked up
Blackberries - Miss Moo picked up?
Staples - TSS picked up
Fish - Miss Moo picked up?

Messenger - gone, but not claimed
Chocolate Chip Cookies - gone, but not claimed
Unreal Tournament Disc - gone, but not claimed 


I'd appreciate any correction on that table.
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Post Post #873 (isolation #3) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:36 am

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Still reading.

Sorry for that, I missed your posts asking claim. According to the info from rolandofthewhite,
I have one item, I didn't pass nor pick up anything
I prefer to keep secret what item I have.
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Post Post #883 (isolation #4) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:46 pm

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Jeez! I managed to read the 35 pages in two sits. Maybe I can't remember the specifics, but now I've got a general idea of this, and if my memory isn't as bad as I believe, the last wagon was on Kilroy and before that BM and KScope right? (I'm not counting the pressure votes on xyzzy and roland) I'm rereading about Kilroy to understand the case. Until then, I'm not voting.
Kinetic wrote:Sorry Andy. The main point of the item claim is what items you are HOLDING. I disagreed with the whole thing, but I don't think you denying the claim at this point is going to fly.
If I understand the rules correctly, everyone owns a shop, and the items from the store are obv related, thus I'd be giving you my store right?. I think that giving my position this early might be good for scum in the long run, since they can spot easily who owns the items needed for their goals (on second thought, this can also apply to the Town ¬¬') I remember that not everyone said what item they had, only what they did with them; however no wagon was run. I can claim
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...would it help to claim again? This way I may draft an updated itemclaim list for everyone to see.
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Post Post #910 (isolation #5) » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:12 pm

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Deadline would mean halving of the votes needed to lynch? If it's so, we're about to lynch Kilroy.

I was about to vote for his lying before reading Jex's post. I agree with her doubts on the reasons of KScope's wagon, I really couldn't see them (at least not at first reading)
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Post Post #948 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:39 am

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Deadline pushed back? >_<

Fine by me. After a re-reread I don't like BM's reactions, but only reactions are not enough for pointing him as scum. What pisses me is this Kilroy thing that doesn't make sense to me. I will say nothing about anyone else right now before thinking decently.

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Post Post #961 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:16 am

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How in Earth you read my mind to know I was confused? I merely said that I haven't payed enough attention to anyone to build up a guilt/innocence case. As far as I know, it is scummy to throw something at anyone without a good case, while investigating logically is pro-town, isn't it?
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Post Post #969 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:28 pm

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Sorry for that. I meant that Kilroy's actions doesn't make sense to me, I don't understand why would an innocent guy lie. Maybe just for protecting himself from scum? I don't know how this helps the Town as a whole. An individual, maybe...
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Post Post #996 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:24 pm

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What MoS says is very true, I haven't paid attention to Taut, now that you mention it.

UNVOTE


But Kilroy still seems scum to me. Lemme check what we have about Taut before voting back.
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #10) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:34 pm

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Sorry, limited access 'til monday.
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #11) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:49 pm

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I'm not sure, Jex. There's a 1/3 chances that it's true...
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #12) » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:31 pm

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Zero Internet access until Monday, I'm gonna reread the whole thread (this was a very long night)
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #13) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:05 am

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Sikario, care to explain a little why you vote JDodge? (I think we're already out of random voting stage)
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #14) » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:10 am

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I'll review the case against BM, but I won't vote until more people comment their thoughts on BM's wagon
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:08 am

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WHy? Just because I want to hear what everyone think about BM wagon? I won't vote him (yet) because I don't remember enough to vote. Besides, this game has a lot of
lurkers
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #16) » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:28 pm

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My vote isn't built on someone else's thoughts (otherwise I'd have voted BM) I just want to reread what BM has (allegedly) done to know whether I vote him or not.

PS Mariyta it's on May 7
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #17) » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:18 pm

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Also rereading
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #18) » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:45 pm

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@Tar: Remember the "Posts by __scummer__ option? It might be handy, just lo let you know.
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Post Post #1260 (isolation #19) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:37 am

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Thanks for the correction BBM.

also,
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #20) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:00 pm

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I don't
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #21) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:33 pm

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Kinetic wrote:Maybe I'm not really NK immune and I just want the mafia to think I am.
That screams WIFOM. Why would you do such a thing? just to avoid being NK'ed? this early in the day? in the game? I can't think of any justification for that.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #22) » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:39 am

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I think it has something to do with the item claim
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #23) » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:19 pm

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Maybe I missed my </sarcasm>

As far as I remember, the next day after I replaced there were 2 wagons: one on BM and one on Taut and both regarding the item massclaim and some lies within it. Where has all that suspicion gone?

TSS: Am I to assume that you distrust me for farside's reasons? And why not a taut wagon, if you please?

Also, what do EVERYONE think about today's headlines? Specifically:
Erika’s store, Papa Johns, a Cult Hideout?
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Post Post #1293 (isolation #24) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:38 am

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Have you read the journals lately?
Mariyta wrote:
rajrhcpfreak wrote:
The Freaktown Sun-Times

Mafia enjoys the town’s inability to find a single Mafia member

After some brief detective-ness, town detective people have confirmed that neither MoS or Battle Mage were part of the Freaktown mafia. It would seem as if the mafia is still slipping by unnoticed in Freaktown, and are currently relaxing as they are becoming closer to a majority in the town.
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #25) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:20 pm

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Well, I think we don't know any alignments right after someone's death (we didn't knew MoS' and BM's roles when they died)

And who's in favor of YET ANOTHER CLAIM?
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #26) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:11 pm

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I'm just saying that you're planning all this without a consensus (which is, if I may say so, the whole basis of this game) If consensus throws a "yes" answer, I'll claim but I see more trouble than necessary for claiming.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #27) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:30 pm

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Holy, did you actually check all of Raj's posts to do that list? Kudos.

Again, I'll claim if majority/consensus wants, but I believe it could lead us to more confusion.
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On another note: wouldn't it be time for Taut to defend himself? We have 8 days 'til deadline and if nothing changes, he'll be our lynch...
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #28) » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:39 pm

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OK I have 10 minutes of internet access right now, so this'll be quick

I own the Music store (or whatever is called) It spawns musical instruments: bass, guitar, drum, flute, trombone.

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Post Post #1329 (isolation #29) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:36 am

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@soup: I've already claimed. I choose Kinetic.

Also, if you still want my POV: now that we're claiming, we should claim items as well. Why? 2 main reasons:

1. Soup and I have already claimed items, and in a game of information like this we all should cooperate the same, otherwise it's not fair and leaves us more vulnerable since we've given more info than the rest.

2. We all have goal items. If scum tries to lie when claiming items we can know, since we have some information on existent items (example, if one of my goal items is "MafiaScumForum" I know someone must own a "Internet-like" store that spawns that item)
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #30) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:08 am

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Ehm, I chose Kinetic to claim...
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #31) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:40 am

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Maryita, if you start saying consensus is needed in this game, you'll be labeled as scum (see 1295, 1296 and 1297)
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #32) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:45 pm

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Mariyta wrote:
Andycyca wrote:Maryita, if you start saying consensus is needed in this game, you'll be labeled as scum (see 1295, 1296 and 1297)
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Post Post #1380 (isolation #33) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:13 pm

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Kinetic wrote:Who knows. We figured out there have to be at least two scum groups (Cult/Mafia), but with all the night kills, it seems like some people have activated some of their powers.

I'm thinking I might like any Pro-Town players with a NK ability to come forward and claim their kills. Don't do it yet, I'm still mulling it over in my head if I like that idea or not, but I figured we as a town need to discuss it a little. 3 Kills in the night phase would make this game get VERY swingy VERY fast, and I don't know if I'm all that happy with people not being responsible with such abilities.
I don't remember where it says we have pro-town players with NK ability, but after some thinking it seems plausible. However, this brings the problem of a protown powerrole claim which could mean another loss for the Town.
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #34) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:55 pm

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Holy wrote:
@Mod: I'll request an extended deadline to April 5th.

@Others: any objection with that?
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I don't have an objection, but I don't support it. Mostly because of what Raj said. I think he's put too much effort in keeping this game alive, but the Mod isn't the only one who keeps the game moving, that's what deadlines are for, to force players to post something and keep the game going.

AND you can't say we have nothing at all. It's true we have too many things to consider, but an extension doesn't guarantee lazy players to post. For example, post your opinions on Mariyta's claim.

(Sorry for this. I know it's completely off-topic, but it's my thoughts about the game itself. I like this game.)
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Mariyta wrote:I'm gonna claim so you have some real information. Silly to do so without pressure, I know, but then maybe the people who actually come up with plans will have something to go on. I'm a journalist. Initially, it was for the Enquirer, hence why I was emphasizing that we shouldn't trust it. Last night, I was asked to send two articles in; only one was used. The first one, posted in the Sun-times. So I KNOW there was a change in styles in the tabloid. I'm trying to figure out if Raj is just trying to shake things up, or if the writer for the Sun-times died.
So that means the first Enquirer headlines are 100% bogus? Also, if you sent an article and it showed up in the Sun-times, this means the Sun-Times is now not as reliable as before?
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #35) » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:50 am

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Mariyta wrote:Cult? What cult?
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #36) » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:58 am

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What makes you think that? I thought the Mafia was just a Mafia
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #37) » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:04 am

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Sometime yesterday he asked me for it. I haven't found Tar particularly scummy in this game and I have no use for the items on my store. I'd rather pass them than let them fall on the ground, where Mafia can pick them. By giving it, I'm sure where it is (or should be) right now.

Any suggestions for vig-checking? a kill claim, perhaps?
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Post Post #1416 (isolation #38) » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:43 pm

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Post Post #1417 (isolation #39) » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:46 pm

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Also, why isn't Taut answering to the accusations?

FoS: taut
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #40) » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:19 am

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I'm sorry, what did you actually claim, taut?
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Post Post #1425 (isolation #41) » Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:48 am

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How are dice related to not having night actions?
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #42) » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:50 pm

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Yagami should explain this IF he's not a somethingbuddy with JDodge.

Taut: you mean you had no items to use/pass/drop?
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #43) » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:00 pm

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We can't afford any more lurkers. I demand a POV from the replacements!
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #44) » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:02 pm

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EBWOP @Travis: nevermind.
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:29 am

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...you forgot he has failed to defend himself every time a wagon starts on him.
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:08 am

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Vote: Tautology


Seriously, he needs to start contributing (or at least defending himself. We have too many lurkers.
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Post Post #1488 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:45 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why do we, like, trust Kinetic, again?
2nd (we have no votes now? This screams manipulation)

But I won't just claim. I need objective questions if you want me to asnwer them.
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:42 am

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I don't get why Kinetic is the one who wants me to claim and MoS is doing the questions. BTW, MoS I have already claimed my building.
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:59 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Ok. Andycyca, I have some, like, questions for you.

1) What is your name?
2) What is your, like, sex? *giggle*
3) What building do you have?
4) What items have you collected so far?
5) What items have you used?
6) What items are you trying to collect?
7) Are you, like, bad?
1. I'd like to know how that is necessary before answering
2. Male
3. Already claimed Music Store
4. If I recall correctly I have a Lute, Drum and Pig
5. None
6. See question 1
7. That's a moral question which doesn't have any place here. I think you're refering to my faction, which clearly isn't the same as yours or Kinetic's.

Any more questions? I repeat, I am willing to answer questions 1 and 6 after you explain me how that is useful to anyone
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #50) » Sat May 17, 2008 2:22 pm

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First of all, credit where credit is due.
Congrats Kinetic
You were the only thing that stood against Beta Mafia (we were really close and powerful... 3 kills per night? cool) and you managed to nail us just when we (or, at least I) were sure of winning the game.
Flameaxe wrote:This was the second game I ever joined...It seems so long ago...
No shit!, It was the second game ever for me too!


This is a public kudo to Raj, for keeping up such a complicated game to the end. (I mean, a multi-faction, lurkerfest, large theme game?). I really enjoyed it and deeply thank you for running it. Thanks to all the players, killing you was a great experience.
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Post Post #1594 (isolation #51) » Mon May 19, 2008 2:19 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why the hell did the mafia use 2 kills on me? They had 3 kills available, they would've won the game outright had they not double-killed me.
Beats me. I think I was dead at that time
armlx wrote:Also, no one even contacted me about the kills despite me joining the mafia. That was awk.
Ehm... I blame it on either Tar or you. Tar told us we couldn't contact with you before Tar's death. I remember telling my fellow betas that you should get an instrument ASAP so you could kill too. Meh, I don't know if that would've changed the result...
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #52) » Tue May 20, 2008 3:13 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:fyi I think this was a really neat and innovative setup ruined by flaking. I think these mechanics should be refined and reused in a mini to test it with less flaking.
I approve of this.
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