HAGGLE IV - Mafia Style - Guardian Wins

[ooba]

/in

[ooba]

just read the other games .. why is knowledge trading not allowed?

[ooba]

just read the other games .. why is knowledge trading not allowed?

Rules can be traded, is this what you mean?

No , there are two types of rule trades :
a) Ownership - where the slips are traded via the mod
b) Knowledge - where you send the rule in a pm to the other player
(Refer the first haggle game)

[ooba]

/in unless the mafia flavour will have a giant effect on the game...

the roles are just ways of getting points
the main part of this game is knowing the rules

The main part of this game is about trading ..

1) WizardCat
2) Max
3) JordanA24
4) Danix
5) dahill1
6) pickemgenius
7) hasdgfas
8) ooba
9) ashmite84
10) Andycyca
11) andersonw
12) UnofficialRulerOfEveryone

We've got 12!! Can we start?

[ooba]

1) WizardCat
2) Max
3) JordanA24
4) Danix
5) dahill1
6) pickemgenius
7) hasdgfas
8) ooba
9) ashmite84
10) Andycyca
11) andersonw
12) UnofficialRulerOfEveryone
13) Guardian
14) Oman

Go Go Go ..

[ooba]

Could you list out the starting cards of everyone for trading?

[ooba]

So uh, I want rules, and I will give cards or rules for them...

I'd give you my rules for your rules but i do not know what numbers they are . I have 11 and 20.

Oh and i'm trading for a jester. I offer a goon or a doctor for him .

[ooba]

I offer ooba rule 3 and 12 and 2 townies, a Jester and Lurker card;
for rules 11, 20, 4 goons, and a cult recruit.

Deal?

I'm not looking for a Lurker. How does

Rule Swap + Cult Recruit,2 Goons for a Jester,Vig,Townie sound?

[ooba]

Rule Swap + Cult Recruit, 3 goons, for jester, 2 townies?

I have the feeling I'm going to be getting a rule that says Jesters rock.

Not really .

Rule Swap + CR,3 goons for jester,vig,townie seeing as you want goons so much

[ooba]

So how do rule swaps work - we just trade ownership via the mod right?

You will own 11 and 20 after this , and i will own 3 and 12?

[ooba]

Hmph.

Rule Swap + CR, 3 goons, for jester, 2 townies, and lurker?

Oh -- I thought we'd both own all 4 -- mod clarify before putting anything through.

I think lurkers suck - refuse to trade for them on principle

You know you want that recruit .. My last offer still stands - think its beneficial for both of us ..

[ooba]

Oh, I see.

Swap, and CR + 2 goons for jester 2 townies is my best offer.
You can add a goon to both sides or not. You could well have a rule saying jester and vig are nuts, I don't want to give you both -- and your saying you want jester but in every trade asking for vig makes me super suspicious.

I just want to have 1 of every type before starting out - no rules concerning both jesters and vigs with me ..

4 offers

Swap, and CR + 2 goons for jester vig
Swap, and CR for vig
Swap, and 2 goons for jester
Swap alone since we have nothing to lose

[ooba]

We are trading the knowledge of the Rules. If person A knows rules 1 and 2 and then trades for rules 3 and 4, they then know rules 1,2,3, and 4.

Just a reminder:
Both parties have to post the trade in the thread in

BOLD!

Could you please tell us which players have which roles at the outset - will help in trading ..

[ooba]

ooba, Doc for a Jester?

Rule knowledge swap?

Sorry ive already got the one jester i wanted

TRADE: Me with Guardian: Both Rule Sharing + jester vig for CR + 2 goons

Trade : Knowledge of 11 and 20 for Knowledge of Jordan's Rules 2 and 4.

[ooba]

I'm back - who wants to trade?

[ooba]

dahill rules 5 and 18 for my rules 2 and 4?

[ooba]

Wizard rules 1 and 7 for my 2 and 4?

[ooba]

I'd very much like 2 and 4 ooba..

I'd give you rule 20 for it, even.

Already know 20 - good going on that rule too

What else can you offer me - i'm looking for something in the 13-19 range

[ooba]

Confirm - "Trade ooba: Rules 1 and 7 FOR Rules 2 and 4."

[ooba]

ooba
trade my rule 18 for your (soon to be) rule 1?
and also wizardcat i'll trade 3 and 5 for 2 and 4

Sure dahill. How about swapping my lurker for your seer while we are at it?

I'm holding onto my pro town roles for now guardian ..

[ooba]

As soon as you finish my previous trade ..

Confirm trade : dahill . Rule 1 -> Rule 18. Lurker -> Seer.

[ooba]

Trade offer - open to all ..

I offer you your choice of rules .. Rules 1-4,7,11,12,18,20
I want the doc , cop and werewolf

[ooba]

trade ooba: cop for doc

trade ooba: 5, 9 for 2, 4

Those seem to be exactly what you want...?

Confirm Trade . Guardian. Rules 2,4 -> Rules 5,9

And i'm trying to get both docs and cops so wont trade one for another

Trade offer - open to all ..

I offer you your choice of rules .. Rules 1-5,7,9,11,12,18,20
I want the doc , cop and werewolf

[ooba]

Current holdings for Dahill1
Rules: 1 (soon),3,5,7,11,18
Want (Most to least): Rules, Godfather, Lyncher, Jester
Will Give: Rules, Townies, Seers, Cult Recruits, Goons (possibly)

Trade : dahill : Offer Godfather + Any rule you want for Cult recruit + Seer + Townie

Another offer : Same trade as above with an added 1 rule for 1 seer , 1 goon

[ooba]

wizard : How about Rule 20 + Townie/Goon for Cop and doc? How about a rule swap for 2 or 4 or both while we are at it?

dahill : You know you want the GF

[ooba]

CONFIRM : trade offer to ooba, cult recruit, seer, townie ---> godfather, rule 20, rule 1

I promise you wont be disappointed. Although i do not know what rule 1 is yet - wish Greasy would update soon ..

[ooba]

trade offer ooba: rule 19 + cop for godfather(2)

Sorry guardian - saw this too late .

Godather + Goon for Rule 19 + cop?

[ooba]

you had already traded me rule 1 in the previous trade

Ok i do not have 19 though .. Take any other one you need ..

Rules 1-5,7,9,11,12,18,20

And i'd suggest striking out the other two deals so as to not confuse greasy spot

[ooba]

ooba: Hmm. What do you currently have? It'd help facilitate the haggling process.

I, too, wish that Greasy Spot was on at the moment. =>_<=

1 GF , 2 Goons are the tradable anti town roles i have. I can also offer a seer from the pro town column.

These are my rules :
Rules 1-5,7,9,11,12,18,20

[ooba]

trade to ooba cult recruit, seer, townie--->GF, rule 20, rule 12

Umm i just noticed that i offered 1 gf , 1 rule for cr,seer,townie . Throw in another seer and i shall confirm this for 2 rules + GF as in

Offer Trade. dahill. 1 GF + Rule 12 + Rule 20 -> 1 Cult Recruit + 2 Seer + 1 Townie .

[ooba]

I'm interested in seers, townies, and Rule 20.

I believe I can spare giving both a cop and a doc, and I also have rule 19 to trade to you.

Hmm . How does Seer+Rule 20+One more rule of your choice for Cop+doc+Rule 19 sound?

[ooba]

Oh, wow. The only problem is that cops are only useful in conjunction. :/

I have all rules you do save 20, ooba.

I still offer any rule for your 10, Pickem.

How about Seer/Townie/Rule 20 for Cop/Doc/Rule 19, ooba?

Anyone want my lynchers, at all?

Sure that sounds great.

Trade. Wizardcat . Seer+townie+Rule 20 -> Cop+Doc+Rule 19.

[ooba]

CONFIRM trade ooba godfather + goon for cop + rule 16

[ooba]

Well i'm officially stopping trading for now till i get my rules.

And Greasy - it would be helpful if you could post the current holdings of every player.

Thanks for all the trades guys ..

[ooba]

Ok dahill give me something else for the seer you do not have .
Would prefer SKs,Werewolves

[ooba]

Oman i need your rule 17 , cop , werewolves.

I offer all my rules 1-5,7,9,11-12,16,18-20.

Rule Swap . plus 1 Rule for 1 cop + 1 wolf or 2 rules for 1 cop + 2 wolves .

[ooba]

I'm looking for werewolves and Cops .

I'm also looking for other rules i do not have .

I have Rules 1-5,7,9,11-12,16,18-20 and a GF and a goon to trade.

[ooba]

andersonw, I'd trade quite a few godfathers for the hero and some goons, possibly.

i have goons! i have goons!

dahill what do you have right now - we have an old trade to finish

[ooba]

all of my rules you have but i have a seer, townie, cult recruit, 2 lynchers/jesters, 2 GFs, 3 goons

I could use a seer,CR and the lyncher/jesters .

I offer 1 rule for 2 cards or 3 rules for 5 cards. Your choice of rules

[ooba]

i need the lynchers/jesters

Ok then the seer,CR and Townies. Throw in GFs or goons if you want more rules but i do not particularly want em as such .

[ooba]

I offer a GF+Rule for CR+Seer+Townie ...

[ooba]

I am also looking for rules 13-15 and rule 17 respectively

Will trade any of the other rules i have for them

[ooba]

ooba, I'd trade a rule for a goon.

dahill, I'd trade like 3/4 gfs for lycher/lurker/jester + a goon or two.

Guardian , i'm currently low on cards so i cant trade cards for rules sorry. I'd trade a goon for a seer,werewolf or cop

[ooba]

Confirm trade dahill Cult Recruit, Seer, Townie for Godfather and Rule 20

Post no:333

[ooba]

Umm think i have 1 GF , 2 goons ?

Trade list

Need
Rules : 13,14,17,15 -> in that order of preference
Cards : Cops , Werewolves , Docs . Kingmaker -> Lesser want

Have
Rules : 1-5,7,9,11-12,16,18-20.
Cards : Cult recruit x 1 ,Seer x 1 , Townie x 1, Goon x 1

[ooba]

My offers to various players :

@ Oman :

I Offer 3 Rules of your choice for Rule 17+Cop+Werewolf.
I Offer Cult Recruit+3 Rules of your choice for Rule 17+Cop+Werewolfx2
I Offer Cult Recruit+Townie+Goon for Cop+Werewolfx2

@ Danix

I Offer 3 Rules of your choice for Rule 17+Cop+Doc
I Offer 3 Rules of your choice for Rule 17+Cop+Werewolf
I Offer Goon+3 Rules of your choice for Rule 17+Cop+Werewolfx2
I Offer Townie+Goon+Cult Recruit for Doc+Cop+Werewolf
I Offer Townie+Goon+Seer for Doc+Cop+Werewolf
I Offer Townie+Goon+Seer+Cult Recruit for Doc+Cop+Werewolfx2

@ Andycca

I Offer Rule 16 for Rule 13

[ooba]

Umm think i have 1 GF , 2 goons ?

Actually I think You should have 0 GF and 1 Goon. I think I took 1 GF away from dahill on that last trade instead of giving it to dahill.

ooba starts with 2 GF and 4 Goons

trades 2 Goons to Gaurdian post 52

trades 1 GF and 1 Goon to Gaurdian post 180

trades dahill 1 GF in post 335

Tell me what you think.

Hmm okies. I was sure that my goon was higher than GF - juse didnt know i had 0 gf's :S

[ooba]

I am also looking for rules 13-15 and rule 17 respectively

Will trade any of the other rules i have for them

TRADE Andycyca's rule 13 and 15 for ooba's rule 12 and 16

Waddaya say?

Still looking for Werewolves, lynchers and Jesters.
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Haven't heard any more offers for the Kingmaker...

Confirm Trade : Rules 12 and 16 -> 13 and 15.

[ooba]

Andy i'm trying for werewolves , rather than compete against each other , i offer you a host of my other cards for you to give up your werewolf cause to me ..

I offer Vig+Seer+Lyncher+Jester+Cult Recruit for the Werewolves x 4 you have ..

Think about it

[ooba]

Not very good offer. See, I don-t need cultists, seers and protown roles. From those I'd only take the Lyncher (at this exact moment, later on I would need the Jester)

But if you-re willing to let got those ones, I think Guardian's looking for cultists.

I know but i can't really compete with you head-to-head on werewolves so thats why i made that offer. Hmm time to rethink everything then ..

Lyncher+Jester+Goon for a Kingmaker.

[ooba]

Trade : Wizard offer rule 13 for rule 14

[ooba]

Trade: rule 6 and 19 to anyone, accepting offers, however if you resell this information I get a single unit of my choice from your pile

Hmm i do not want Rules 6 and 19.

I offer you 2 Rules for Cop and Doc. Any ones of your choice.
I also offer Seer + Seer Associated rule for Cop and Doc

[ooba]

Based on what you have you clearly do.

I have 19. and I'm trying to outguess the mod by predicting what 6 could be about . But i'll swap 6 for any rule you want too apart from the two offers above.

If you want a rule trading penalty for 6, throw in a townie and the penalty can be "2 extra rules which i have to give you" or "Card from my stock" ..

[ooba]

Trade: 6 and townie, for 11 and there is a no selling on clause except if you pay me 2 rules (but once all rules you own have been given to me there must be no trades of that nature.

Accept Trade. Rule 11 for 6 and a Townie

[ooba]

Offer Max. Rules 12,13,15,18 for Cop and Doc

[ooba]

Trade: 6 and townie, for 11 and there is a no selling on clause except if you pay me 2 rules (but once all rules you own have been given to me there must be no trades of that nature.

Accept Trade. Rule 11 for 6 and a Townie

Just so you are aware I will not be enforcing the above clause attached by Max. Do you guys still want the trade?

Max , i will enforce this rule . Greasy , please complete the trade as soon as max confirms

Trade is made.

[ooba]

Trade offer : Rules 6 and 13 for ashmite's Lyncher

(or)

Trade offer : Rules 6,13,15 for ashmite's Lyncher+Townie

[ooba]

looking for cops, jesters, sks, heroes.


willing to make fair deals.

My jester for your Werewolf. Waddaya say?

My 2 lynchers + Jester + Rule 14 + Vig + Seer + Serial Killer for your 4 werewolves

[ooba]

@

pickem Trade rule 13 for Rule 10.

It is useful for you.

[ooba]

hdafas im interested in your cops , i have rules + other cards ..

Guardian i offer you Rule 6 for Doc + Jester

Max i owe you 2 rules ..

[ooba]

Oman i need your cop and werwolf rule 17

I have townie,CR,goon , rules for trade

[ooba]

Offer Rules for Snix

I need copx1,vigx1 and werewolfx2.

I also offer Lyncher,Cult Recruit. I'd offer you the rules regarding which card you want to know. eg: Lycher associated rules

[ooba]

Trade rule 6 for dahill's 1,2,3

and

Trade rule 6 for Gaurdian's 4,5,7

@Ooba what value would you put on the wolves? And I'd be willing to trade something for a cop after I get these rules.

Time to make up for lost ground.

You should have got the rules ..

I really don't think ill be able to trade for wolves i need by game end so wolves take a back burner to cops but ill still try .. My haves : Seer,Lyncher,CR+whatever rules you want.

[ooba]

ooba, what of mine can I trade for lyncher? Or, what will you trade me for jester?

What'd you have guardian?

[ooba]

Guardian
Rules 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,20
Cards Godfather(5), Goon(14), Cult Leader(3), Cult Recruit(3), Kingmaker(1), Hero(1), Doc(1), Jester(2), Lyncher(1)

Want: Rules 8 and 17, anything that isn't on my Do NOT Want list.
Give: Nothing is off the table.

Do NOT Want: Lurkers, town roles

I know you wont trade any of KM,Hero,CR,CL for the lyncher. I do not want a GF or goon. That leaves a doc.

Offer Lyncher+Goon for Guardian's Doc

[ooba]

I'd trade cultists for the lyncher.

I'm unlikely to trade the doc, kingmaker, or hero, unless a massive trade is arranged.

I worked out the points and thought what i offered was a equal trade? I really can't use the cult cards without some major reshuffling of my hand ,which i do not want to attempt so late in the game.

[ooba]

How about

offer guardian's jester for ooba's doc and goon

You have a doc surplus. By my count, that trade nets you more points, but nets me a doc I can trade.

Your proposed trade ended with me having less points that I started with.

I actually calculated it as Lyncher + points increase it brings out which you otherwise might have traded away + goon > doc.

I'm working on the doc angle here - i really do not have much else going for me at the moment.

[ooba]

I'll be away for the weekend. Have some trade offers waiting for me

[ooba]

Trade Snix's goons(3) for Gaurdian's rules 9-16 and Gaurdian's jester

9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16 was my understanding. all of em.

Five rules for a Seer and a townie? That gives up the advantage of playing well very easily. Your prerogative Wizardcat.

[ooba]

Offer hasdfas Cult recruit+Lyncher+Seer for Copx2

[ooba]

Umm you've reversed my name and ashmite's - i got 4th !!

Sorry - I fixed it.

[ooba]

Thanks for modding - it was good fun ..