Open 880 - Mafia PT

[humaneatingmonkey]

what's up

Confirmation accepted.

[humaneatingmonkey]

how are you bianco

[humaneatingmonkey]

we're fine. the scumreads really arent that strong it's just early and theyre looking for something to do.

[humaneatingmonkey]

so im trying to pocket python because they're the loudest voice in the game and being seen together with them would probably tie them together with my slot

[humaneatingmonkey]

why am i only charismatic when scum, i cant even

[humaneatingmonkey]

unowen how much heat do you think you can handle?

[humaneatingmonkey]

softing to save herself from a wagon doesn't feel like an actual vengeful because she looks as if she doesn't really want to die

she's probably a vt honestly

[humaneatingmonkey]

i see you and i agree that it's a good thought

[humaneatingmonkey]

bianco be careful because you are always whiteknighting other players, this might later read as being informed

[humaneatingmonkey]

we can lose together it's fine i haven't really invested much time as well

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm going to claim town 1-shot novice cop, you can claim doctor if you want

[humaneatingmonkey]

half of my wagon are my scum partners

if my scum partners stop bussing and sheep other town instead, we could wrestle this game away from a scum miselimination

both of you aren't even using this opportunity to bus hard and theater

[humaneatingmonkey]

that's your cue guys. aureal wagon lets go

[humaneatingmonkey]

if both of you parrot how towny i have been, heads will be nodded along

if owen starts thinking twice about the gamestate on how both of us could be town and begin a rundown on all slots he thinks is scummy, maybe there's a venn diagram of what the town wants to eliminate and who we want to eliminate

lets shake things up guys we're in a losing position

[humaneatingmonkey]

phew, i wasn't sure i still got it, but i think i still got it

[humaneatingmonkey]

owen please hammer as soon as possible

[humaneatingmonkey]

sad we couldn't capitalize

[humaneatingmonkey]

it will be very obvious in VCA if we flock towards one wagon, and have that wagon flip town. I'm not interested in that.

if we wait in deliberation, town will control the narrative and we would probably be swept again

so i propose two strategies

one of us can take the position of deepscum by going back to owen and getting town cred. owen can get a town PR on his way down by fakeclaiming something important. HOWEVER, this game is swingy in that i think the deepscum can be discovered by a cop check so I'm not sure how foolproof this is. i guess we're fine because we can be fake claiming novice cop and we're taking that role with us down anyway.

an alternate plan is to make heip (sheep the IC) or skygazer the alternate wagons (who i think is probably a cop)

[humaneatingmonkey]

if you're reading this thread, please reply with your thoughts and what you'll do from here

[humaneatingmonkey]

i didn't feel as if i have the wiggle room to suddenly sheep aureal after scumreading her and being in a tunnel on her

maybe it's best we split up

[humaneatingmonkey]

i dont think so

they dont know it but python is in my pocket
and i think also invis, heip, and infinity?
FL thinks im town for now at least
and i have you both as partners

we have effective power in this game, and we can probably attempt to swing it towards gazer (if unowen is also here with us) and but maybe the safest is to provoke aureal into townleading and make sure she starts being confident

im just not sure how to do that yet

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe just hyping her up i guess mwahahaha

or just apologizing, I'm really not sure

or complaining about her gameplay?

[humaneatingmonkey]

too obvious to be doing that buddy, one of us have to be off the wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

he's probably an investigative that dies upon confirmation, implying that he's going for the second wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

there you go

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao i still got it

[humaneatingmonkey]

so we ended up winning that day because of the hammer - now it's going to be obscured who among us (unowen or monkey) would have killed a weak skygazer.

I'm glad we could turn that around

congrats team

[humaneatingmonkey]

im gonna spend a day looking for crumbs and giving you my kill
maybe it's best that we brainstorm fakeclaims as well

also let's talk about what we did the past day and what you're doing now and what you plan on doing from now

[humaneatingmonkey]

where do you see that

why do you tunnel ccs though (and also me)

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think town will be choosing inside the wagon tomorrow, so i think we need to kill outside of it to reduce the chances that it's us

but it might come off as confirming that there's scum in heip's wagon (which should be an obvious idea after last day)

i think snivy won't stop townposting, but flavor leaf's frame is harder to break and might be dangerous if skewed towards leaning scum on us. he will hyperpost and it will be very easy for him to hijack the game.

he can also be tragically wrong and lead a push on a miselim, but the gameplay today is +pr points because he feels like he's waiting for something to solve the game. we don't need FL to make this happen anyway, there's a bunch of players who can be provoked into hyperposting about the wrong narrative

it's best he dies with the idea that we can be both town

[humaneatingmonkey]

uno and bianco, have you thought of something to claim?

[humaneatingmonkey]

hey it's 12 hours before deadline, so can we finally make our moves

[humaneatingmonkey]

heip is dead

[humaneatingmonkey]

who does the kill

[humaneatingmonkey]

hey so if unowen has been confirmed scum/nontown after skygazer dies (they wont eliminate aureal first, it's going to be uno), then i should probably counterclaim whatever uno's claiming if no one counterclaims so i can powerwolf until elo and bianco can be our deep wolf

[humaneatingmonkey]

because of this i feel like unowen should make the kill just in case

but a level 2 play is having bianco make the kill because he's the least likely to be targetted by an investigative among all of us.

[humaneatingmonkey]

in the case skygazer targets aureal (unlikely), or isnt a weak role

and also in the case of an investigative anticipating this and double targetting unowen

[humaneatingmonkey]

UNOwen kills Flavor Leaf

UNOwen, you have my permission to change it to humaneatingmonkey kills Flavor Leaf if you're iffy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes i think the scenario is unlikely anyway

[humaneatingmonkey]

unowen should probably play to tie themselves up associatively with as many town as possible and if caught, take down at least one pr with them

[humaneatingmonkey]

he will probably die and that will probably confirm it

i don't think he's lying, there's no incentive to claim weak investigative on both wagons as town or sk, and end up not dying overnight. unless skygazer is doing some funky clever mindtricks where he claimed weak, but might be the strongest town investiga-protective role, so he can avoid the night kill.

[humaneatingmonkey]

that's a good push against skygazer's claim

but if i was town, and i was playing lurky, i'd be nervous of being nightkilled

[humaneatingmonkey]

but i agree that skygazer having a different role might be the unlikely solution

it's probably that skygazer is a weak role that dies upon targeting non-town, but isn't an investigative themselves.

Town Weak Roaming Vigilante
Town Compulsive Weak Vigilante
Town Jack-of-All-Trades (Rolecop, Tracker, Weak Hider)

in this case, he needs to soft weak no matter what he needs to do

the good news is i don't think this gameplay is serial killer
or bad news it's the best serial killer strategy ever

====

in any case, i think we need a deep wolf and i think I'm an elimination magnet so one of us has to be set up to be shining shimmering town after all of us dies

brainstorm ideas?

[humaneatingmonkey]

bianco you're gonna have to step up buddy hahaha

[humaneatingmonkey]

i believe we can win this

we just need to control the narrative

for every post town makes that takes away from that narrative, we have to post double to take them to the narrative that we want -- to an ELo that we can win

!!!

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yeah. I do know and there is a large chance that I'll fuck that up tbh.

If uno doesn't die, I need to cc whatever they claim

i got you buddy, just townpost and then I'll do the gamestate massaging

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm not an sk target, fortunately!

[humaneatingmonkey]

none of us are!

[humaneatingmonkey]

python's hard town declaration of me is unexpected

probably sk, or traitor. would we know?

[humaneatingmonkey]

vigilante, unowen

[humaneatingmonkey]

doctors everywhere

[humaneatingmonkey]

it doesnt need to be true it just needs to be plausible AND YOU SHOULD JUST BELIEVE IT HAHAHAHA

[humaneatingmonkey]

go with the flow my dude, whatever's best

[humaneatingmonkey]

ill lurk from here and will be very inaccessible and flaky

then ill drop random ideas that builds a narrative

this should give us time for unowen to fight hard and tangle himself to as many slots as possible

unowen, pick a vig claim that's plausible and be very aggressive and sly it's your time to shine

[humaneatingmonkey]

absolutely dont think we are losing
this is all part of the game

you need to set us up with your play today. your flip will inform the narrative

so like the point guard or something

[humaneatingmonkey]

dont act guilty bianco

[humaneatingmonkey]

S

ay it now if you want
No need to wait
If you have something you need to say, go for it.
Very weird to hold it longer
You should probably just say it now, HEM. Like we can wait to end day, sure, but dont see the purpose of you posting but holding having to say something.

you should have died

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think he has a guilty on me, but im not sure

probably a trap

[humaneatingmonkey]

UNO you have lots of wiggle room here

[humaneatingmonkey]

nobody act guilty

[humaneatingmonkey]

no sudden movements, sudden movements mean panic.

the more they talk about me being scum and snivy being lockscum and owen not necessarily mech locked, we are good
we need to bury the story that scum is on owen's wagon right now

[humaneatingmonkey]

*me being town

[humaneatingmonkey]

i can't claim without knowing what python's role is

[humaneatingmonkey]

absolutely hilarious how im town because of mech?? i was probably transported or commuted when they checked?

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao my timezone sucks

yeah i can deepwolf from here... I'll try to behave myself

what's your plan

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think css is mislimmable, but yeah the loyal checker is too much. you'll have to try and kill him. or you can try to kill python. there are no doctors in this game, i don't think so. serial killer probably didn't kill anyone night 1, or cannot kill anyone (one of the sk roles can't kill as long as mafias exist). python's death will probably give me a way to clear the fog of war and develop a position that can secure a deepwolf strategy

[humaneatingmonkey]

humaneatingmonkey kills userPython

i have a feeling

[humaneatingmonkey]

python is declaring me town with no debate after night 1. why do you think so?

[humaneatingmonkey]

if python flips a role that doesn't confirm me, i will claim town friendly neighbor

[humaneatingmonkey]

and then i'll forever claim blocked

[humaneatingmonkey]

or Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor

this can either be a winning strategy, or

but we gotta try something. i don't want my position to be undone because python realizes that her confidence is unwarranted.

[humaneatingmonkey]

like, it's a guarantee that python will probably backtrack when left alive

[humaneatingmonkey]

i mean, we can also kill ccs because she's probably going to check you and you'll probably be redchecked so...

[humaneatingmonkey]

you know what my dude, i'll give this kill to you. you're the one who's gonna play tomorrow on your feet (if things don't fuck up on my end). if you want to do something else tonight, write down the action you want and I'll be good with it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

why would it be outrageous if scum has a roleblocker?

[humaneatingmonkey]

like, it's a guarantee that python will probably backtrack when left alive

That's actually a decent reason to kill python, I concur. So it is.

Should

I

be killing? Lest you get hit by a Watcher or somesuch

i dont think youre a guaranteed elimination tomorrow and i dont think im going to be investigated tonight when there are other slots to worry about

[humaneatingmonkey]

we have to make impossible plays to win right now

playing it safe means going with their flow and thats not a good direction because they poed every scum. it was python's mistake that gave us a chance and i think doubling down right now is one of the ways we win

i also think there are other excuses for css' guilties. it only says if the action is successful so if they are roleblocked too then thats a false guilty.

i do think there's a chance that i am caught by a tracker but thats when i fakeclaim some bullshit

[humaneatingmonkey]

second guessing but i have to calm down. this is risky play. this is risky play. this is risky play.

[humaneatingmonkey]

python if kill fell through
if kill didnt fall through and watcher was present, ill claim something else
if kill fell through and watcher was present and it was only me who visited, thats how we lose the game i guess ahahahaha

[humaneatingmonkey]

but thats like... what are the odds

[humaneatingmonkey]

im actually thinking about a protected python, and how would that work

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's probable snivy is an sk

[humaneatingmonkey]

i thought roles can duplicate, so there could be to FNs

[humaneatingmonkey]

Mod - can roles that was only submitted once duplicate?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Oh. I see. So the talk of me cc'ing uno yesterday was actually real stupid and we luckily didn't do it lol

no, it would have been really towny and non-aligned for both of you

[humaneatingmonkey]

if we lose bianco, im so sorry